China to Muslims: There is no god why do you believe in religion”

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  1. Wisemarko

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    [​IMG] China’s Uighur Camps Swell as Beijing Widens the Dragnet
    Satellite images show expansion of ‘re-education’ centers in China’s Xinjiang region
    WSJ

    Aug. 17, 2018

    China has sharply expanded an internment program that initially targeted ethnic Uighur extremists but is now confining vast numbers of the largely Muslim minority group, including the secular, old and infirm, in camps across the country’s northwest.

    Up to one million people, or about 7% of the Muslim population in China’s Xinjiang region, have now been incarcerated in an expanding network of “political re-education” camps, according to U.S. officials and United Nations experts.

    As the camps have swelled in size, some Uighurs living outside China say that relatives—mainly, but not all, older people—have died in detention or shortly after their release.

    Satellite images reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and a specialist in photo analysis show that camps have been growing. Construction work has been carried out on some within the past two weeks, including at one near the western city of Kashgar that has doubled in size since Journal reporters visited in November.

    The full extent of the internment program was long obscured because many Uighurs feared speaking out. Now more are recounting experiences, including six former inmates interviewed by the Journal who described how they or other detainees had been bound to chairs and deprived of adequate food.

    “They would also tell us about religion, saying there is no such thing as religion, why do you believe in religion, there is no God,” said Ablikim, a 22-year-old Uighur former inmate who asked to be identified only by his first name.

    Growing Camp
    Satellite images show the rapid expansion of a re-education camp in Shule county, near Kashgar, China from April 17, 2017 to Aug. 15, 2018. The camp has doubled in size since Wall Street Journal reporters visited it in November.

    Sources: Planet Labs (photos); Melissa Hanham, expert in analysis of satellite imagery at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies (structures)

    The Journal also spoke to three dozen relatives of detainees, five of whom reported that family members had died in camps or soon after their release. Many said they had struggled to determine where their relatives were being held and the state of their health.

    A senior Chinese official, Hu Lianhe of the United Front Work Department, publicly acknowledged the existence of the camps for the first time this week but said they were “vocational training centers.”

    China has struggled for decades to curb separatist sentiment among its Turkic-speaking Uighurs, who briefly achieved statehood twice, in the 1930s and 1940s. Some of Xinjiang’s 11 million Uighurs still seek an independent homeland they call East Turkestan in the oil-rich region.


    Beijing blames Uighur separatists for dozens of attacks on government targets, and says they have links to jihadist groups. Some recent attacks have borne jihadist hallmarks and counterterrorism experts say dozens of Uighurs have joined Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

    Even so, many experts on the region and Uighur activists say unrest there is driven more by China’s heavy-handed policing, strict limits on religious activity, and preferential policies for non-Uighur migrants to the region.

    China stepped up many of those restrictions in the past two years, banning men from growing beards and women from wearing veils, and introducing what many experts regard as the world’s most extensive electronic surveillance program.

    The widening scope of the internment program suggests Beijing is now seeking to erase a sense of Islamic identity among Uighurs, and other Muslim ethnic groups, in its biggest program of mass extrajudicial detentions since the 1950s, researchers say.

    “Re-education is the next level,” said Adrian Zenz, a researcher at the European School of Culture & Theology in Germany. Harsh policing was costly and created tension, he said, “so the long-term solution is to actually change people.”

    Hopefully, stupid politicians of India and of the Western world will lean something from China.
     
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  3. jon88

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    UIghurs, from what I have learned, are initially Buddhists. Islam erased the Uighurs from their Buddhist identity. I guess no Muslim is going to complain about that or even acknowledging that.

    One thing that we usually know is that Muslims like to erase history for the sake of purity of religion, from covering ancient churches and Jewish synagogues sites with sand in Saudi Arabia to destroying ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan, letting the jungle swallow up ancient Hindu candi sites in Sumatra, and etc.

    Of course, Christianity also did the same. Filipinos do not even have a distinctively Asian culture at all, all that have been erased a long time ago by Spanish Jesuit missionaries. Most of South and Central America are culturally Spanish Latin. But of course we have to acknowledge Christianity has evolved, becoming less authoritarian and very much less judgemental on other religions.

    The problem is not Islam, but the worshipers of Islam. Unless extremist Islamists become more accepting and do not condemn other religions, people of other faiths will not see Islam as peaceful. In this context, I do not blame China for taking such preventive draconian measures. Extreme problems require extreme measures.
     
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    I disagree with the comment. I have met many many good Muslims and they are good despite their evil religion telling them not to be.. Islam is an anomaly in religions because it’s a pseudo-religion. At its core, it’s a political, social movement very akin to Nazism or Communism with zero tolerance for any alternative. Christians did similar deeds despite Jesus being absolutely against violence, while Muhammad was a warlord who killed, pillaged and raped.
     
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    Well yes there are some muslims who are good but when you make a generalise statement you just talk about majority.
    And our past is full of incidents where muslim or jihadi islami worshipper erase the history of a country or state or a region.

    Yes Christian missionaries are the same but they do that without bloodshed or little bloodshed. Even bhudist do that where non violence is main characteristic of their religion.
    I don't know why you haven't met any hindu who is good because hindu never do such demographic changes. In past They just changed themselves into other religion for the sake of peace. In this ghandi's country for hindus peace is more important than their country religion family ( even they can fight for peace) I don't know how it is possible but that is going on for 500 years in this country
     
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    You are wrong, even I thought the same but that is not the case. Everyone should watch this video to understand what goes on in their minds.
     
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    Buddhists and Atheist Chinese know how to treat Muslims.
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    Over the last year, more than 700,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled the Buddhist-majority country to neighbouring Bangladesh following a military response to attacks on security posts by Rohingya insurgents.

    Myanmar has rejected accusations of ethnic cleansing and dismissed most accounts of atrocities, blaming Rohingya “terrorists”.
    https://in.reuters.com/article/sing...akhine-state-a-threat-to-region-idINKCN1L60OL

    After killing,raping and kick-out MUSLIMS from Burma... Burmese Nobel peace prize winner blames Islamic terrorism for the communal violence which triggered Rohingya exodus, calls it a threat to region.:pound:

    here in India many Hindus STILL feel ashamed because ONE Muslim COW SMUGGLER was lynched by mob and we are habituated to TOLERATE daily terror in Kashmir and else where in India.
     
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    Chinese authorities launch 'anti-halal' crackdown in Xinjiang

    Authorities in Xinjiang have launched a campaign against the “spread of halal”, claiming the growing number of halal products is encouraging religious extremism in the heavily monitored Chinese region.

    Party officials in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang, which is home to about 12 million people from Muslim minorities, on Monday called on government officers to strengthen the “ideological struggle” and fight “halalification” or the “pan-halal tendency,” a post on the Urumqi People’s ProcuratorateWechat account said.

    The term refers to extending halal labelling – food that adheres to Islamic law – to non-food items to appeal to Muslim consumers. Officials and state media say the growing number of products labelled halal allows Islamic rituals to penetrate secular life in China.

    “The pan-halal tendency blurs the boundary between religion and secular life. So it is easy to fall into the mire of religious extremism,” the state-owned Global Times said in an article about the new campaign in Urumqi.

    The campaign comes as protest over China’s counter-terrorism policies in Xinjiang mounts. Rights advocates, researchers and media have documented the use of mass surveillance and internment, as well as the curtailing of religious freedoms of Muslims minorities such as Uighurs, Kazakhs, and Hui in the north-western territory.

    Critics say China is trying to assimilate minorities into the dominant Han Chinese by stamping out Muslim traditions. Local authorities have put restrictions on long beards, head coverings, or other Islamic clothing – that can “whip up religious fanaticism”. All Hajj pilgrimages must be taken through state-organised tours. Uighur activists say mosques are being torn down.

    The initiative against halal labelling, confined in Xinjiang to meat, dairy and oil products, has gained momentum recently. Officials in Gansu province, home to a large population of Hui Muslims, shut down more than 700 shops selling “pan-halal products” in March. Services like “halal haircuts” and “halal baths” were also been banned.

    Under the hashtag “halalification” or qingzhen fanhua, internet users critical of the trend post photos of items labeled halal, like napkins or milk. One user wrote, “Is there pig blood in ordinary milk? What we should be worried about is national unity, not the unity of religious groups.”

    The meeting of party officials on Monday called on all government officers and party members in Urumqi to speak Mandarin Chinese at work and in public, and to reaffirm their commitment to the ideology of the Chinese Communist party.

    Liu Ming, secretary of a party member group, led the attendees in an oath, according to the Wechat statement. A photo shows Liu speaking into a microphone, his fist clenched in the air, pledging: “My belief is Marxism-Leninism. I don’t believe in any religious belief. I must decisively fight against halalification to the end”.

    The meeting also called on government officers to publish their own essays expressing “their stand against the pan-halal tendency.” One article was titled, “A movement to liberate thought across Xinjiang is underway.”

    One Uighur cadre wrote an article headlined: “Friend, you don’t have to find a halal restaurant for me.” He wrote, “We ethnic minorities have taken this respect for our eating habits for granted. We have not thought about respecting their eating habits.”

    He encouraged Uighurs who are also party members to eat with their Han Chinese colleagues rather than solely at halal restaurants. He said: “Changing eating habits has a significant and far-reaching impact for countering extremism!”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ities-launch-anti-halal-crackdown-in-xinjiang



    pakistan who claims to be the protector of islam whole sale is silent :D.
    well, with CPEC debt pakistan , the islamic bomb, and the arab clan will be silent against china..
     
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    A documentary on Uyghurs
     
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