China To Develop New Carrier-Based Fighters To Replace J-15 Aircraft after numerous accidents

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China is building a new carrier based fighter jet to replace its J-15 fighters after a series of crashes and mechanical failures, according to military experts and sources.

“In order to improve the combat effectiveness of the Chinese aircraft carrier strike groups, it is necessary to develop a new carrier-based fighter,” Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie was quoted as saying by South China Morning Post Wednesday.

China plans to create at least four aircraft carrier groups to fulfil its navy ambitions and to defend its overseas interest, Li said.

The need to develop a new fighter jet has become more pressing after a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures” that have killed one top PLA pilot and injured another.

Two sources close to the military told the Post there had been at least four crashes involving the J-15, although only two of them have been reported by state media.

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” one of the sources said.

Pilot Zhang Chao, 29, died in a crash in April 2016 as he tried to save his J-15 fighter jet, whose flight control system was breaking down during a mock landing on an aircraft carrier, according to state media reports.

Three weeks later, his colleague Cao Xianjian, believed to be in his 40s, was seriously injured as he tried to deal with the same problem on a J-15. It took him more than a year to recover.



All J-15s were grounded for three months after the crashes, which undermined morale in the air force and navy. The navy called for an investigation after Zhang’s death, the sources said.

“But the aviation experts at first refused to acknowledge that the J-15 has design problems,” one of the sources said. “They only agreed there were problems after Cao encountered the same trouble.”

Many of China’s home-grown fighter jets have had problems with their engines, aircraft design and modifications. But a PLA Navy veteran said that instead of carrying out more test flights, pilots were pushed to fly the warplanes, even though they had faults.

“Of course it’s impossible to prevent any accident from ever happening during training. But unlike their counterparts in Western countries, Chinese air force pilots are asked to work around these mechanical errors,” the navy veteran said.

The J-15 was based on a prototype of the fourth-generation Russian Sukhoi Su-33 twin-engined air superiority fighter, a design that is more than 30 years old. It was developed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, a unit of state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China.

With a maximum take-off weight of 33 tonnes, the aircraft is the heaviest active carrier-based fighter jet in the world, used on China’s first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning.

China’s FC-31 is a newer generation stealth fighter that made its first flight in 2012, and is smaller and lighter than the J-15.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22...ighters_to_Replace_J_15_Aircraft#.Wz8J4ynhU0M
 

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Well, what does one expect from cheap Chinese copy-cat, phony, reverse engineered stuff? The FC-31, I daresay will meet the same fate as the J-15! Except for noodles the Chinese seem incapable of producing anything on their own!
 

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Wait a minute. The Chinese bought most of the design details and production engineering data from the Ukrainians. They also bought a lone T-10K prototype from Ukraine. Then Shenyang has hundreds of Ukrainian engineers, technocrats and technicians working on the J-15 and J-16 projects.

It isn't as if the Russian Su-33 is a failure. It may have failed to live up to the expectations but ot is still a potent air supremacy and cap platform. After the Gefest SVP-24-33 upgrade, it now has modest air to ground capabilities.

And even after all these they couldnt come up with a flyworthy J-15. Shame.
I really have my doubts on J-20 and J-16,s capabilities . After all, determination, dedication and sheer hard work can only take you so far. At the end of the day, you need that spark of a genius to come up with a truly awe inspiring superb platform. Something the Chinese do surely lack.
 

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Now they should also try to copy f-18, Rafale, and even MIG 29k.. God knows which will click and finally china will have carrier based fighters of their own....:biggrin2:

Chinese truly believe in try try till you succeed... However they keep on stealing copying which even god forbids as he blesses only hardwork, so no success.:)
 

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Lazy reporting with no concrete sources. A carrier based 5th generation fighter is being selected by the Chinese Navy. The prime contender is apparently a larger variant of the FC31 over a variant of the J20.

CONCURRENTLY the Chinese Navy is developing two different variants of the J15 whilst in the process of procuring additional air-frames for the new carrier.

Electronic Warfare variant currently in flight testing:




Catapult launched variant testing on the land based electromagnetic catapult at Huangdicun Naval Airbase:






All this whilst also procuring additional J15 air-frames for the second carrier. It is very clear that the Navy will be fielding the J15 on both its STOBAR and CATOBAR carriers for decades to come. There is nothing in that SCMP article to dispute that.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/j-15-catapultable-catobar-vol

The 5th generation carrier based fighter is a compliment to the very capable J15, not a replacement. And either way, it will probably be fielded some time in the late 2020's, during which time the Navy will be flying a solely J15 carrier based fast jet wing.
 
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SCMP said:
The need to develop a new fighter jet has become more pressing after a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures” that have killed one top PLA pilot and injured another.

Two sources close to the military told the Post there had been at least four crashes involving the J-15, although only two of them have been reported by state media.

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” one of the sources said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...ing-new-fighter-jet-aircraft-carriers-replace
The Chinis really crashed and burned with this one. Four crashes out of 20 built is 20% of the production run already lost. That rate is setting a new record even greater than the J-10 flying coffin.
 

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Of course they are going to face problems. They bought the Ukrainians instead of bringing the Russians into this. The other problem is the inherent weakness of the T-10's design. Its engines were not designed for short take offs. The RD-33 engines were but the FC-31 has had problems staying the in the air. So best of luck to China.
 
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China builds a carrier but can't build a plane. Force projection is a big joke.
 

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Apparently they can't build a carrier either. It was forced to dry dock just days into it's sea trials and the programme manager is under lock and key.
Apparently it'll be the next chinese ship drifting in sea without power....and during war a sitting duck for turkey shoot.:biggrin2:

A couple of :brahmos::brahmos: and this faulty bucket along with it's sister rusty bucket Liaoning will be home for exotic corals.....:)
 

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Apparently they can't build a carrier either. It was forced to dry dock just days into it's sea trials and the programme manager is under lock and key.
apparently you can't accept the fact that Chinese has built an operational aircraft carrier, its short-term trial voyage could be just a routine. the man who was arrest was more than a programme manager, he was under investigation for alleged corruption and leakage of information to CIA.
 

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Apparently it'll be the next chinese ship drifting in sea without power....and during war a sitting duck for turkey shoot.:biggrin2:

A couple of :brahmos::brahmos: and this faulty bucket along with it's sister rusty bucket Liaoning will be home for exotic corals.....:)
much better scenario than Indian ships committing suicide explosion in the port.
 

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“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,”
That is the difference. Tejas too have RSS but we have not witnessed and accident so far. That is the difference between robust R & D and Ctrl+c and Ctrl+V.
 

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apparently you can't accept the fact that Chinese has built an operational aircraft carrier, its short-term trial voyage could be just a routine. the man who was arrest was more than a programme manager, he was under investigation for alleged corruption and leakage of information to CIA.
Your aircraft carrier is not worth putting to war. They are just toys to please Chinese. None of your carriers comes close to VIkramaditya. J 15 are useless planes and not worth paying any attention. Chinese media has thoroughly exposed J15.
 

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apparently you can't accept the fact that Chinese has built an operational aircraft carrier, its short-term trial voyage could be just a routine. the man who was arrest was more than a programme manager, he was under investigation for alleged corruption and leakage of information to CIA.
China has not built an operational carrier, operational being the key word. A maiden voyage for a carrier lasts well over a month, you don't stick it in dry dock within days unless something is seriously wrong, like so wrong the programme manger is behind bars.
 
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China has not built an operational carrier, operational being the key word. A maiden voyage for a carrier lasts well over a month, you don't stick it in dry dock within days unless something is seriously wrong, like so wrong the programme manger is behind bars.
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Charles de Gaulle. The ship carries a complement of Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard, Dassault Rafale M and E‑2C Hawkeye aircraft, EC725 Caracal and AS532 Cougar helicopter for combat search and rescue, as well as modern electronics and Aster missiles. It is a CATOBAR-type carrier that uses two 75 m C13‑3 steam catapults of a shorter version of the catapult system installed on the U.S. Nimitz class carriers
... ...

https://www.military-forces.net/aircraft-carriers/charles-de-gaulle/



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Catapults for the Charles de Gaulle were purchased in the US and the same will also bemade for the next aircraft carrier. However, the US is moving away from the steam catapult technology tothe new generation of electromagnetic catapults.
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https://southfront.org/france-meets-with-some-difficulties-in-design-of-its-new-aircraft-carrier/
 
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Charles de Gaulle. The ship carries a complement of Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard, Dassault Rafale M and E‑2C Hawkeye aircraft, EC725 Caracal and AS532 Cougar helicopter for combat search and rescue, as well as modern electronics and Aster missiles. It is a CATOBAR-type carrier that uses two 75 m C13‑3 steam catapults of a shorter version of the catapult system installed on the U.S. Nimitz class carriers
... ...

https://www.military-forces.net/aircraft-carriers/charles-de-gaulle/



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Catapults for the Charles de Gaulle were purchased in the US and the same will also bemade for the next aircraft carrier. However, the US is moving away from the steam catapult technology tothe new generation of electromagnetic catapults.
... ...
https://southfront.org/france-meets-with-some-difficulties-in-design-of-its-new-aircraft-carrier/
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you intoxicated sir?
 

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dear, if these idiots would like to enjoy such funny spinning content and platitudinous cry year after year, why interrupting their sweet dreams ? the same group idiots in the same sort of threads... never change .

J15 serial is the perfect tense and progressive tense
the NG carrier-borne aircraft project is the progressive tense and future tense.....as simple as that, LOL...

the Navy was keeping eye on J20 project decade ago, but it seems situation changed recently...let's wait for the maiden flight of NG carrier-borne aircraft project and then we will know which baseline design was chosen...



 

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China has not built an operational carrier, operational being the key word. A maiden voyage for a carrier lasts well over a month, you don't stick it in dry dock within days unless something is seriously wrong, like so wrong the programme manger is behind bars.
The bought Lioning from Ukraine. They took 13 years to furnish it. They declared it operational in hurry and when they put it in service, its engine failed. Then they put J 15 on it which can not carry any payload except few air to air missiles as paylaod.
 

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Lazy reporting with no concrete sources.
How does that work? Did we sleep through the period where CCP & PLA became transparent about the state of its armed forces in specific and state of the country in general?

Zhang Chao, Cao Xianjian, Yuan Wei are names of the pilots who crashed their J-15s according to Chinese state media and not the "jealous" Indians. Concrete enough?

That is 3 confirmed crashes out of the 20 produced in just 3 years of operation. Feel free to add or remove the 4th "unconfirmed" crash.

@shiphone Dear moron, stop muddying the waters. The fact remains that PLAN crashed 20% of its J-15 fleet in just 3 years. Your bitching and moaning is not going to change that.
 

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