China to Buy S-300 Missiles From Russian Plant

[sayareakd]

All things said and done, this is quite strange development in the sense that it shows that PLA, dont trust Chines made HQ9 system and consider them inferior to S300 which they have bought from Russia.

HQ 9 system which is consider as copy of S 300 system, it appears from reading this report that it has perform far short of what was expected from this system.

I would say that China should sell this inferior system to Pakistan and other countries to recover its cost of R&D. These counties want a system for name sake, without any qualitative parameters and they well love to get this system at variable cost of product. As is the case with other system being sold by china.

BTW (side shot) India has tested and evaluated this S300 system and find it not suitable for its use. That is why they have moved to develop PAD and AAD. Just for records India has already order 6 batteries of the S300 system.

Those who argue that it was old order, i may say that earlier too china has gone back to the order from Russia saying that those systems dont match up to their requirement (after getting all the technical data). If this HQ9 would have done what it has been claimed to be then there was no requirement for the delivery of the system, contract could have been terminated by China.

But it appears that PLA is smart and they don’t want to take chance, with inferior system.

Thus this order of delivery concludes the obvious.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

the order was signed during 2004-2005 . furthermore, CHina think the ordered S300 is "quite cheap" ,even compared with indigneious HQ9.

This goes against the usual trend from China to order small quantities reverse engineer and cancel the rest of the order.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

as I know, the batch was order in 2004-2005,when HQ9 still can be mass-produced and its production could not meet the urgent demand of PLA.

but now, CHina even trys to export HQ9 to Turkey ,which fully prove the production of HQ9 is enogh and HQ9 is not most advanced anti-defence projects any more.

Has Turkey bought HQ-9? Please give a link

 

[badguy2000]

All things said and done, this is quite strange development in the sense that it shows that PLA, dont trust Chines made HQ9 system and consider them inferior to S300 which they have bought from Russia.

HQ 9 system which is consider as copy of S 300 system, it appears from reading this report that it has perform far short of what was expected from this system.

I would say that China should sell this inferior system to Pakistan and other countries to recover its cost of R&D. These counties want a system for name sake, without any qualitative parameters and they well love to get this system at variable cost of product. As is the case with other system being sold by china.

BTW (side shot) India has tested and evaluated this S300 system and find it not suitable for its use. That is why they have moved to develop PAD and AAD. Just for records India has already order 6 batteries of the S300 system.

Those who argue that it was old order, i may say that earlier too china has gone back to the order from Russia saying that those systems dont match up to their requirement (after getting all the technical data). If this HQ9 would have done what it has been claimed to be then there was no requirement for the delivery of the system, contract could have been terminated by China.

But it appears that PLA is smart and they don’t want to take chance, with inferior system.

Thus this order of delivery concludes the obvious.

"HQ9 is copy of S300" is just a simple clueless nonsense.

I once posted one picuture about HQ9 ,S300 and Patriot....you had better check it.
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?6700-HQ9-and-S300-side-by-side

HQ9 is much smaller than S300.the R&D of HQ9 started in 1980s and was accelerated after gulf war in 1991.

 

[badguy2000]

Has Turkey bought HQ-9? Please give a link

HQ9 was shortlisted as well as S300 and Patriots as candidates of Turkey's future air-defence systems.

Of course, because Turkey was ally of USA, HQ9 and S300 are not in favorable postion in the competition with Patriot.

 

[Armand2REP]

HQ9 was shortlisted as well as S300 and Patriots as candidates of Turkey's future air-defence systems.

Of course, because Turkey was ally of USA, HQ9 and S300 are not in favorable postion in the competition with Patriot.

Again that is incorrect. If you had bothered to read the provided links, you would know China did not want to enter the contest. It wanted a state-to-state sale which Turkey is not willing to do.

 

[badguy2000]

I have checked relative news, it is confirmed that orders for 15 battery S300PMU2 were ordered in late 2006.

Chinese news resource confirms that the the 15 S300 was order in 2004 and 2005,which coincides with the report from Interfax news agency .

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6310WG20100402


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Mon, Mar 29 2010MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has delivered 15 batteries of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to China, Interfax news agency reported on Friday, under a contract analysts said could be worth as much as $2.25 billion.

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China is a major buyer of Russian weapons, and the two countries say they are trying to forge a strategic partnership, though senior Russian officials are privately concerned about an increasingly assertive China.

Russia has delivered 15 S-300 batteries to China, Interfax news agency quoted Igor Ashurbeili, director general of Almaz Antei which makes the missiles, as saying.

"We have implemented a contract to deliver to China the newest system S-300," Ashurbeili said. He gave no details about the value of the deal. A spokesman for the plant was not immediately available for comment.

In Russia's armed forces, an S-300 battery normally consists of four truck-mounted installations, each with four missiles held in metal tubes.

Analysts said the contracts to deliver the S-300 to China were signed in the mid-2000s and that each battery usually costs about $120-$150 million. That indicates the value of the Chinese contract was about $1.80-$2.25 billion.

 

[aniket agarwal]

how does this missile compare with the akash missle of india

 

[sayareakd]

how does this missile compare with the akash missle of india

no comparesion at all one is for aircraft and HQ9/S300 for missile intercept.

 

[Armand2REP]

how does this missile compare with the akash missle of india

Akash is a short-range SAM, not even in the same catagory.

 

[Agantrope]

how does this missile compare with the akash missle of india

Aakash is a short range SAM; where as HQ-9 and S-300 are long range SAM as well used to intercept the missiles.

 

[A.V.]

Soviet Secrets Still For Sale

April 9, 2010: China, which has bought several billion dollars worth of Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, has approached Belarus about getting a better deal on spare parts and maintenance services. How can this be? Because the Soviet Union distributed its defense plants throughout its territory, many of these factories ended up in foreign countries, when the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. Belarus inherited some S-300 manufacturing capabilities, which it continues to operate. This gives China another opportunity to take advantage of the murky patent situation that resulted from the demise of the Soviet Union. While the new countries (that were once part of the Soviet Union) owned the weapons plants, the question of who owned the intellectual property (the patents on the weapons produced) is still not nailed down.

Thus, while Russia has been a major victim of China's program of stealing military technology, other countries have been more willing to share Russian military technology. This provided China with many more opportunities to get Soviet military technology without having to deal with Russia (which is quite unhappy with China's plundering ways.)

Even Belarus, the former part of the Soviet Union that is most closely allied with Russia, has been eager to peddle Soviet military technology to China. Former Soviet factories in Belarus manufactured heavy trucks for transporting and launching large ballistic missiles. Thus Belarus is selling components and technology to assist China in building a transporter for its four ton DF11 ballistic missile. The Chinese WS2400 8x8 heavy duty truck used to carry the DF11 is very similar to Russian models. So the new interest in S-300 components and services sales is welcome in Belarus.

Ukraine, which has frosty relations with Russia, has been exporting engines for China's K8 jet trainer, as well as engines for Chinese helicopters. Ukraine is also willing to sell technology, and send personnel to teach the Chinese how to build it. The Central Asian nations that were formerly part of the Soviet Union have also sold Soviet military technology to China.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20100409.aspx