China Tests Midcourse Missile Interception

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LF no need to have MIRVs our A2 is enough to get through that chines interceptor



ever wonder what those fins at the upper stage is for, those are to guide the missile in midcourse and at the terminal stage.

first target will be that radar station in china.......
I assume A2 is Agni-2. In all likelihood, the KKV of the Chinese interceptor missile is manoeuvrable. Agni-2 may get through it now that the testing and development isn't yet complete.

What's that? You want to manoeuvre outside the atmosphere during midcourse with those fins of yours? Good luck with that.

They're probably for terminal guidance.
 
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The Hindu Business Line : Agni III test-fired successfully

Many firsts

The Agni-III success has many firsts for indigenous missile technology development. It has validated the robust, light weight, composite material rocket motor casings developed by DRDO.

Second, it has proved the efficiency of flex nozzles, which are critical in helping change the direction of trajectory of the missile
 

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I assume A2 is Agni-2. In all likelihood, the KKV of the Chinese interceptor missile is manoeuvrable. Agni-2 may get through it now that the testing and development isn't yet complete.

What's that? You want to manoeuvre outside the atmosphere during midcourse with those fins of yours? Good luck with that.

They're probably for terminal guidance.
Agni -II is operational with IA.
 

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guys i dont get it. articles say china is the 3rd country to do such a test.

Didnt india do a similar missle interception tests some time back ( i think on march 2009 ) of intercepting an missle at 75 km on the Prithvi air defence ??????
we have even tested our Advanced Air defence but only at 15km altitude.

clear my doubts please .
 

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guys i dont get it. articles say china is the 3rd country to do such a test.

Didnt india do a similar missle interception tests some time back ( i think on march 2009 ) of intercepting an missle at 75 km on the Prithvi air defence ??????
we have even tested our Advanced Air defence but only at 15km altitude.

clear my doubts please .
The US said it was an exoatmospheric collision, that would be 120km+ altitude.
 

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I assume A2 is Agni-2. In all likelihood, the KKV of the Chinese interceptor missile is manoeuvrable. Agni-2 may get through it now that the testing and development isn't yet complete.

What's that? You want to manoeuvre outside the atmosphere during midcourse with those fins of yours? Good luck with that.

They're probably for terminal guidance.
Agni 2 development was completed long ago and this missile is with the user, last time it was the user which tested the missile.

Those fins are to guide the missile at midcource and terminal phase and the guide the missile while in flight.

about 6 months ago DRDO tested Prithavi missile with new type of warhead to get through enemy's anti missile weapons. as you are aware that development of prithavi missile is completed long ago, since the system is cheap compare to the agni missile therefore DRDO used prithavi to test new systems and ideas and those are then tested into system like agni.
 

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Agni 2 development was completed long ago and this missile is with the user, last time it was the user which tested the missile.

Those fins are to guide the missile at midcource and terminal phase and the guide the missile while in flight.

about 6 months ago DRDO tested Prithavi missile with new type of warhead to get through enemy's anti missile weapons. as you are aware that development of prithavi missile is completed long ago, since the system is cheap compare to the agni missile therefore DRDO used prithavi to test new systems and ideas and those are then tested into system like agni.
Isn't the apogee exoatmospheric? How can it steer with fins without air in midcourse?
 

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This is not only for ballistic missile interception.

I heard a not confirmative message that an asia country tested a sub-orbit bomber in 200X and later, and U.S. has the similar vehicle. Existing air defense systems can't deal with it, so outer space interception system is necessary in future.
 

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guys i dont get it. articles say china is the 3rd country to do such a test.

Didnt india do a similar missle interception tests some time back ( i think on march 2009 ) of intercepting an missle at 75 km on the Prithvi air defence ??????
we have even tested our Advanced Air defence but only at 15km altitude.

clear my doubts please .


Becuase of the mid-courses interception. A few countries may have terminal interception capabilities, but CHina is following USA and Japan in a mid-course interception.

BTY, Japan uses SM-3
 
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Becuase of the mid-courses interception. A few countries may have terminal interception capabilities, but CHina is following USA and Japan in a mid-course interception.

BTY, Japan uses SM-3
you are missing a few countries that did it a while back

India


http://kuku.sawf.org/News/57055.aspx

India is also developing two new missiles, AD-1 and AD-2, as part of the ABM system. These Phase II missiles are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with the range in excess of 5000 km and probably represent elements of a mid-course interception system.



http://www.southasiamonitor.org/2007/nov/news/27a.shtml
South Asia Monitor: A Perspective on the Region


The DRDO has also declared intentions to attempt mid-course interception. An ambitious goal considering that even the U.S. is struggling for years on mid-course technologies. While preparing for the laurels of another 'successful' interception, the agency should spare a thought for the monetary resources and time spent on undelivered projects of the IGMDP, especially when the AAD would gobble hundreds of crores for achieving a technological capability on which DRDO has already expended a fortune


Israel

Balli...issile defense - encyclopedia article - Citizendium

http://patriotmissive.com/2008/09/am...to-the-rescue/

http://closingvelocity.typepad.com/c...elocity/thaad/


Australia

http://www.idsa.in/idsastrategiccomments/IndoUSMissileDefenceCooperation_AVKumar_300109

Australia and Japan are acquiring the Aegis, which is currently the only operational mid-course/early ascent interception system

and possibly Taiwan in the future if they acquire Aegis system.
 

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you are missing a few countries that did it a while back

India


DRDO claims successful Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) test

India is also developing two new missiles, AD-1 and AD-2, as part of the ABM system. These Phase II missiles are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with the range in excess of 5000 km and probably represent elements of a mid-course interception system.



South Asia Monitor: A Perspective on the Region
South Asia Monitor: A Perspective on the Region


The DRDO has also declared intentions to attempt mid-course interception. An ambitious goal considering that even the U.S. is struggling for years on mid-course technologies. While preparing for the laurels of another 'successful' interception, the agency should spare a thought for the monetary resources and time spent on undelivered projects of the IGMDP, especially when the AAD would gobble hundreds of crores for achieving a technological capability on which DRDO has already expended a fortune


Israel

Balli...issile defense - encyclopedia article - Citizendium

http://patriotmissive.com/2008/09/am...to-the-rescue/

http://closingvelocity.typepad.com/c...elocity/thaad/


Australia

Indo-US Missile Defence Cooperation: Hype or Happening? | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

Australia and Japan are acquiring the Aegis, which is currently the only operational mid-course/early ascent interception system

and possibly Taiwan in the future if they acquire Aegis system.
well, two links may be helpful to you.
it can help you understand the difference BTW India's terminial missle interception and CHina's mid-course missle intercetpion
in fact, only 2 has shown the capacity of mid-course interception. Japan's SM3 in fact is still a THAAD

ground-based mid course missle defence
Ground-Based Midcourse Defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense
Terminal High Altitude Area Defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I gave you the link which clearly says MID COURSE INTERCEPTION if you cannot accept that other countries did it before China still does not change the facts.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - India takes aim at next level of defense


The new "endo-atmospheric interceptor" put down a simulated electronic missile that is a prelude to striking a live Prithvi ballistic missile, modified to approximate an attack. According to Indian scientists, the "interceptor" missile could surpass the American Patriot Advanced Capability-3 system.

India established its "exo-atmospheric" hypersonic interceptor missile capabilities, borrowed from an Israeli system, in November last year when an incoming Prithvi missile was successfully destroyed.

State-controlled Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO), the main coordinating agency, intends to develop a two-tier BMD designed to intercept an incoming missile at both the "second mid-course and terminal phases". The design seems to be in place and needs to be upgraded.
 

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I gave you the link which clearly says MID COURSE INTERCEPTION if you cannot accept that other countries did it before China still does not change the facts.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news - India takes aim at next level of defense


The new "endo-atmospheric interceptor" put down a simulated electronic missile that is a prelude to striking a live Prithvi ballistic missile, modified to approximate an attack. According to Indian scientists, the "interceptor" missile could surpass the American Patriot Advanced Capability-3 system.

India established its "exo-atmospheric" hypersonic interceptor missile capabilities, borrowed from an Israeli system, in November last year when an incoming Prithvi missile was successfully destroyed.

State-controlled Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO), the main coordinating agency, intends to develop a two-tier BMD designed to intercept an incoming missile at both the "second mid-course and terminal phases". The design seems to be in place and needs to be upgraded.
As many countries have mid-course anti-missle technology, I hope US won't say Chinese test is a threat...
Thank you, friend, I hope all westerns deem such test like you.
 
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As many countries have mid-course anti-missle technology, I hope US won't say Chinese test is a threat...
Thank you, friend, I hope all westerns deem such test like you.
This a defensive weapon nothing threatening, except if China wanted to gift it to Rogue nations.
 

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India established its "exo-atmospheric" hypersonic interceptor missile capabilities, borrowed from an Israeli system, in November last year when an incoming Prithvi missile was successfully destroyed.
I do not think Israel has mid-course interceptor. The arrow-2 only has an altitude of 50 km, good only for terminal phase interception. In comparison, the U.S. missile has an altitude of 2000 km. And the Chinese KT-1 missile shot down the satellite at an attitude more than 400 km.

Only U.S. and China have tested mid-course interception successfully, not even Russia.
 

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I do not think Israel has mid-course interceptor. The arrow-2 only has an altitude of 50 km, good only for terminal phase interception. In comparison, the U.S. missile has an altitude of 2000 km. And the Chinese KT-1 missile shot down the satellite at an attitude more than 400 km.

Only U.S. and China have tested mid-course interception successfully, not even Russia.
Oh, Russia has ground-based, midcourse missile interception technologies, alrite. The following semi-official source, quoting Gen. Yuri Solovyov, claims " the S-400 is capable of detecting and simultaneously engaging upto six targets out to a range of 400 km (250 miles), including aircraft and cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles up to the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty limits of a range of upto 3,500 km and a speed of 4.8 km/s. See: http://www.raspletin.ru/press-centre/news/2008/080603/


In April 2004, the 48N6DM interceptor successfully intercepted a ballistic missile during tests at Kaputsin Yar in Astrakhan at a range of over 460 km. Carlo Kopp, Research Fellow in Regional Military Strategy at the Monash Asia Institute, and who's published several articles for trade publications such as Defence Today, Air International, Jane's and Journal of Electronic Defense, also claims that the radar system possess advanced capabilities against low-flying RCS stealth aircraft, small cruise missiles, and even future low RCS re-entry vehicles. In principle, the missile is capable of independent tracking, via its 40N6(E2) multifunctional illumination & guidance radar (x-band), upto a distance of little over 400 km (target acquisition at 900 km), extendable ofcourse via forward-deployed (S-band) 96L6(E) all-altitude detection and target designation multiphased array surveillance radars, just as the US GMD employs Forward Based X-Band Radars (FBXB) such as the Sea based X band platform — from Raytheon. But independent detection ranges of upto 500-600 km have been theorized for future radars (such as the 55Zh6-1 Nebo-U GRAVE STONE RADARS: modified TOMB STONE engagement radars, said to be the only radar with a digital phased-array antenna that works in the metric-wave band. The radar's deeply modified Yagi-type aerials allow for a detection range up to 600 km for targets flying between 40-75,000 m.).

I speculate here, but China's recent mid-course interception test may have been of a modified, China-specific version of the S-400. Reports surfaced in 2008 (Jane's likely) of China being interested in a simplified version of the S-400, which was also targeting the export-market, with China having reportedly already spent $500 million on it. It was also reported that China may have been part of the development process.

Several other journalistic entries covering China's mid-course missile interception test, also seem to support the claim that Russia also possesses the capability:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/11/world/AP-AS-China-Missile-Defense.html?_r=1
defence.professionals | defpro.com
China says it successfully tests ground-based missile defense system | Washington Examiner


Interestingly, Russia has also offered the system to the (UAE) United Arab Emirates and Greece, with Turkey and more recently Iran, also having expressed interest in it.

South Korea is also developing a much simplified version of the S-400 to counter the North Korean missile-threat, called the Cheolmae-2, with the help of Almaz's Central Design Bureau. It apparently consists of an X-band multifunction radar vehicle constructed by Almaz, a command-post vehicle by Samsung Thales and several transporter-erector-launchers for Korean-ized 9M96 missiles.

Not to be left out of the fun, India also has "expressed interest" in the system, although on 23 August 2009, RIA Novosti reported their sources indicate that Russia will not export the S-400 for the next few years.
 

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This a defensive weapon nothing threatening, except if China wanted to gift it to Rogue nations.
guy, you enlighten me.

Since USA dares gift Patriot to Taiwan, why can't China sell missle defence to N.korea , Iran and Cuba?
 

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Oh, Russia has ground-based, midcourse missile interception technologies, alrite. The following semi-official source, quoting Gen. Yuri Solovyov, claims " the S-400 is capable of detecting and simultaneously engaging upto six targets out to a range of 400 km (250 miles), including aircraft and cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles up to the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty limits of a range of upto 3,500 km and a speed of 4.8 km/s. See: ???? ???????? ??? ?????-????? ????? ????????? ?.?. ??????????


In April 2004, the 48N6DM interceptor successfully intercepted a ballistic missile during tests at Kaputsin Yar in Astrakhan at a range of over 460 km. Carlo Kopp, Research Fellow in Regional Military Strategy at the Monash Asia Institute, and who's published several articles for trade publications such as Defence Today, Air International, Jane's and Journal of Electronic Defense, also claims that the radar system possess advanced capabilities against low-flying RCS stealth aircraft, small cruise missiles, and even future low RCS re-entry vehicles. In principle, the missile is capable of independent tracking, via its 40N6(E2) multifunctional illumination & guidance radar (x-band), upto a distance of little over 400 km (target acquisition at 900 km), extendable ofcourse via forward-deployed (S-band) 96L6(E) all-altitude detection and target designation multiphased array surveillance radars, just as the US GMD employs Forward Based X-Band Radars (FBXB) such as the Sea based X band platform — from Raytheon. But independent detection ranges of upto 500-600 km have been theorized for future radars (such as the 55Zh6-1 Nebo-U GRAVE STONE RADARS: modified TOMB STONE engagement radars, said to be the only radar with a digital phased-array antenna that works in the metric-wave band. The radar's deeply modified Yagi-type aerials allow for a detection range up to 600 km for targets flying between 40-75,000 m.).

I speculate here, but China's recent mid-course interception test may have been of a modified, China-specific version of the S-400. Reports surfaced in 2008 (Jane's likely) of China being interested in a simplified version of the S-400, which was also targeting the export-market, with China having reportedly already spent $500 million on it. It was also reported that China may have been part of the development process.

Several other journalistic entries covering China's mid-course missile interception test, also seem to support the claim that Russia also possesses the capability:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/11/world/AP-AS-China-Missile-Defense.html?_r=1
defence.professionals | defpro.com
China says it successfully tests ground-based missile defense system | Washington Examiner


Interestingly, Russia has also offered the system to the (UAE) United Arab Emirates and Greece, with Turkey and more recently Iran, also having expressed interest in it.

South Korea is also developing a much simplified version of the S-400 to counter the North Korean missile-threat, called the Cheolmae-2, with the help of Almaz's Central Design Bureau. It apparently consists of an X-band multifunction radar vehicle constructed by Almaz, a command-post vehicle by Samsung Thales and several transporter-erector-launchers for Korean-ized 9M96 missiles.

Not to be left out of the fun, India also has "expressed interest" in the system, although on 23 August 2009, RIA Novosti reported their sources indicate that Russia will not export the S-400 for the next few years.
guy, forget it.

S300,S400,Patriot ,Arrow 2 and HQ9 are all terminal interceptors.

mid-course interception is completely different from the above toys.
 

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