China Stealing Russian Designs Again?

[maomao]

Absolutely right, China always avoid competition at international markets, bcoz they know that their products will never be chosen bcoz of the quality. So they follow either state-to-state method or by soft loan method. Their military products don't stand a chance against US, Western countries or Russia. Its good that India don't follow Chinese path rather they rely on Joint Ventures, Indigenous technology or just buy from international market.

Its all about getting exposed publicly with their pants down, with whole world knowing with documented fact that how bad Chinese products are! (that is why they don't enter any competitions).

 

[redragon]

Its all about getting exposed publicly with their pants down, with whole world knowing with documented fact that how bad Chinese products are! (that is why they don't enter any competitions).

And they, including indians, are still buying so much. As a matter of fact, a lot "made in China" sold with the largest amount in the world. What conclusion you draw from that? People are too stupid?

 

[Vladimir79]

J11B is a very different bird than the ones Russia sold to China. It is now powered by the domestic WS10 which finally has overcome all the technological difficulties and is being mass-produced.

Finally overcome?

Looks like a bunch of engineless fighters to me. :happy_2:

And compared with AL-31, it is slightly more powerful but several times more reliable. China also replaced all the other key parts, like FBW system, radar, cockpit, weapon suite with domestic ones, simply because domestic products are better than the russian counterparts.

WS-10A is reported to take 2 minutes to reach military thrust. How is that more reliable than AL-31 which the Chinese are still buying for J-10 and Su-27SK? It isn't even a usable engine.

China didn't replace, but poorly copied old Russian avionics in other purchased aircraft. They are quite inferior to Russian counterparts as Russia hasn't sold China its latest developments.

The members here have often overestimated the true capabilities of russian equipment, the specs are often bloated, and the reliability with russian weapons is such that generally there is none to speak with. After spending the last 3 decades learning and absorbing western technologies and becoming the factory of the world in the process, China now has far advanced manufacturing capabilities than Russia current possesses. Yes, there is still quite a gap between Chinese products and western products, but the gap between China and Russia has been pretty much bridged. India too knows the truth, that's why it id now increasing approaching the west for weaponary. Think about why an IL-76 costs 40 million $ while a similar-speced C-17 costs 10 times more, maybe maybe just maybe the the quality gap between them is really that big.

The only gap China has bridged is the obsolete technologies Russia offered to China which they have poorly copied. Still can't make a usable turbofan after 25 years of being in possession of it. The overestimation you make is that Russia actually sold you its latest technology and nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Shaitan]

I dont see nothing wrong with copying. At least China is on the right direction. Remember when Russia used to copy a lot of western armaments? India should do the same.

 

[Vladimir79]

I dont see nothing wrong with copying. At least China is on the right direction. Remember when Russia used to copy a lot of western armaments? India should do the same.

PLA has copied their way out of being offered advanced technology and now are 25-30 years behind. With the closure of all advanced markets, that gap will only grow.

 

[badguy2000]

when someone loses its confidence on winning future competition, he usually tends to pay more attention to protecting what he has owned.

Russia now obviously seems to be lack of confidence to the future competition,so Russia pays more attention to "IP" of old soviet heritages than ever,because Russians know they can not be the winner of future ....haha.

 

[anoop_mig25]

I dont see nothing wrong with copying. At least China is on the right direction. Remember when Russia used to copy a lot of western armaments? India should do the same.

when did russian copied amercian/western stuffs specially toys plz tell us about more provides egs/link to it

 

[pmaitra]

when did russian copied amercian/western stuffs specially toys plz tell us about more provides egs/link to it

Well, I know that Andrei Tupolev once copied the airframe of a US aeroplane and made a Soviet version of it. See the pictures below:

Boeing B-29 'Superfortress' (USA):

Tupolev Tu-4 'Bull' (USSR):

 

[SHASH2K2]

when someone loses its confidence on winning future competition, he usually tends to pay more attention to protecting what he has owned.

Russia now obviously seems to be lack of confidence to the future competition,so Russia pays more attention to "IP" of old soviet heritages than ever,because Russians know they can not be the winner of future ....haha.

But they are right about someone stealing their design and is shameless enough to create exact replica of their systems. Its IP thief that should be ashamed no Russia.

 

[badguy2000]

Well, I know that Andrei Tupolev once copied the airframe of a US aeroplane and made a Soviet version of it. See the pictures below:

Boeing B-29 'Superfortress' (USA):

Tupolev Tu-4 'Bull' (USSR):

well,buddy, your pictures are slaping someone's face loudly.....I almost can hear the sound of slapping now...."Bia.Bia.Bia...."
haha,

 

[badguy2000]

But they are right about someone stealing their design and is shameless enough to create exact replica of their systems. Its IP thief that should be ashamed no Russia.

well, " addictions to old heritage and past glory " is always the common hobby of losers in real life.

 

[vce]

WS-10A is reported to take 2 minutes to reach military thrust. How is that more reliable than AL-31 which the Chinese are still buying for J-10 and Su-27SK? It isn't even a usable engine..

take 2 minutes to reach military thrust----BS,:special21:, you show a lack of basic knowledge in jet engine.typical military engine transient times should be no more than 5s for IDLE to MIL power at SLS and 10s in the air,according to the China engines general specification(Military Standard).
you only believe what you want to believe and selectively accept your favorite rumours as facts.

in recent years ,PRC only imported AL-31FN for J-10.

AL-31F/FN is a mature turbofan engine, but not flawless.
eg:there occurred sevral engine failures on PLAAF Su-27s due to the poor quality of oil-centrifugal-breather,one of which caused the crash and killed the pilot. J-10 also suffered several in-flight shutdowns due to engine lubrication system malfunction,since there's a design flaw with its oil unit. so it's been redesigned.

 

[vce]

Finally overcome?

Looks like a bunch of engineless fighters to me. :happy_2:.

outdated pic,when that was taken?

there are already a bunch of images showing new J-11s are powered by FWS10 engines:happy_7:

 

[pmaitra]

well,buddy, your pictures are slaping someone's face loudly.....I almost can hear the sound of slapping now...."Bia.Bia.Bia...."
haha,

No one is slapping anyone. We are here to share information, not to provoke, insult or inflame.

Moreover, the USSR repeatedly requested these very bombers which the USA refused to sell/lease to the USSR. Only then did the USSR, upon getting the opportunity, copy these planes.

The case with PRC is different. Russia is willing to sell planes to PRC, but PRC is nonetheless copying and pirating.

Please do some research and the link below might help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4#Design_and_development

 

[Crusader53]

Yet, Russia just the other day said it was ready to sell Su-35's to China!!!!Hell, in a couple of years don't be surprised if the PAK-FA is not next on the list.:angry_10:

 

[SHASH2K2]

well, " addictions to old heritage and past glory " is always the common hobby of losers in real life.

Its really fun to watch a thief preaching people about morality and asking to come out of past .

 

[badguy2000]

Its really fun to watch a thief preaching people about morality and asking to come out of past .

winners like talking the future while losers like talking the past!

 

[SHASH2K2]

winners like talking the future while losers like talking the past!

what kind of future you are talking about with stolen weapons from past?

 

[debasree]

man they cannot even make a car without copping from others , i dont know as they are not capable of designs or they intentionally do it

 

[DMF]

All the weapons are not patented I think. And China is always a low tech country, we begain to industrialize in the mid of 1950's, with the soveit help, but the good time only last less then 10years, we get big trouble with the soveit in the year of 1961,and as you know, China is enemy of the whole west world, from 1949 untill the beginning of the 1980's, no any technic cooperation with any westen country since funding of the PRC, in the 1980's, China are partner of the west in the plot to contain the soviet, during this time, get some access to the west technic,especially the Franch, but after the 1989 incident, this assistance suspended, again the Russia became the supplier of the know how to China, but since then, all the countries use the soviet weapon system was beaten hands down by the USA, China already lost the confidence in the soviet system and the war fair doctrine behand it.now China are looking to the west. After the collaps of the soviet, the defence industry were in a shamble, many talents went to other countries for a carrer, some of them came to China.
Now we can see China buy less Russia weapons, because Russia is depend on mostly soveit heritage, not too much new develop, China are turning to the USA and Europ system, China now are geting some ability to develop towards this system.