China Stalls India's Move On Hizbul Mujahideen, United Jihad Council Chief: Salahuddin

[rock127]

India has no friends at the UN, hence China dictates terms.

It may be high time to walk out of UN and let the world body operate without 120 crore people in its midst. Benifits to India are minimal. So staying or walking out is immaterial. On top of that UN will loose Indian peace keepers. US and other permanent members will find an excuse to get out of the nuclear deal. If that happens, India is at liberty to test nuclear weapons.

Now US has to make a choice, they wish militarist China and terrorist state of Pakistan or highly intelligent but short of cash India.

Nah... we should make our country strong and strong and then dictate terms and get in 6th permanent member in UNSC.

World respects power and walking out of UN is not a solution.

Though UN is not much of a use other than giving speeches and conferences etc.

 

[Compersion]

For UNSC reforms:

What happened the last time (for reference and standard development) - Voting situation in the UN general assembly respect to resolution 2758 (1971).
United States of America - Permanent UNSC Member a Nuclear Weapon State and leader voted ... .

With that where does it say it has to be 5 out of 5 even 4 out 4 (since cannot vote for itself last time). Is it because India is better to the last vote we will get 5 out 5 even 4 out 4 (seems already confirmed). Can VETO be used. 75% - 80%+ does it matter. What is the threshold.

Nearby - ASEAN and region - 2758 resolution: pertinent for the recent news on building islands and korean peninsula:

Japan, Australia, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia (Not much green)

And now a green for Lakhvi. (The Lakhvi resolution was not only a India vote and for India and by India.) PRC are they missing a point here somewhere. Perhaps they have some under the table deal with the Pakis. I am sure it is with careful thought what they did. I also have a feeling Pakis will not vote against India if we play it right. Since PRC has taught Pakis can get emotional with sudden support when what is really happening is not in their favor.

 

[no smoking]

China is playing terrorist by supporting NE insurgent groups. Its time to have a efficient China policy. China can not be trusted.

India is also playing terrorist by training and supporting Uygur/Tibetan terrorist groups at the same time. Your trust means nothing.

We should not support China in any International forum. Let them become a victim of terrorism in xinjiang and decide their next veto.

The only reason you ever support China in any international forum is that serves India interest at the moment. So, please, don't speak like you are doing a big favour to China.

 

[no smoking]

Though UN is not much of a use other than giving speeches and conferences etc.

Being a permanent member with veto power in UN is definitely a lucrative position which brings in not only huge political influence but economic benefits. That is why your own government has been spending so much money and resources on the bid for it.

 

[Sylex21]

This is at a time when most of the West is looking for an excuse to dislike China, so that China can be painted in a negative light as the geostrategic competition between the western world and China heats up. While it might be frustrating to have resolutions blocked, it is giving India exceptional good coverage as the "good guy battling terrorism" and allowing western governments to paint China as "an evil revisionist power, supporting terrorism and fellow corrupt and repressive regimes around the world."

India just needs to sit back until the USA elects another republican president like Bush and suddenly we'll be hearing speeches about a new "axis of evil" involving "China-North Korea-Pakistan" etc..

 

[amoy]

This is at a time when most of the West is looking for an excuse to dislike China, so that China can be painted in a negative light as the geostrategic competition between the western world and China heats up. While it might be frustrating to have resolutions blocked, it is giving India exceptional good coverage as the "good guy battling terrorism" and allowing western governments to paint China as "an evil revisionist power, supporting terrorism and fellow corrupt and repressive regimes around the world."

India just needs to sit back until the USA elects another republican president like Bush and suddenly we'll be hearing speeches about a new "axis of evil" involving "China-North Korea-Pakistan" etc..

your good-guy bad-guy dichotomy - wishful thinking as usual.

1) What "good coverage" for India? The majority of members don't care abt the resolution. They'd stand on the sidelines musing none-of-my-business. Those few who do care (the Western world）would rather keep India busy yeah "battling terrorism" and tied up with Pakistan in Kashmir. Have u forgotten US is the biggest supporter of Pakistan?

2) The West would regard anyone who challenges their supremacy as "evil” revisionists, regardless of "corrupt" or "repressive". Don't talk smart or naive as if India were on their bandwagon.

3) Most Indian posters share your mindset - India sitting back watching America and China locking horns blah blah... then India can take adantage. That loafing or freeloading doesn't work any longer. As a matter of fact mature powers know how to play the game - here again the Yin-Yang philosophy

The seemingly opposing forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other.

China is engaging Western buddies through AIIB, and FTAs with Australia and S.Korea. India in contrast lacks wherewithal to fulfill its big talks.

Unlike that of India interests of China and America are more interwined in all aspects. The transpacific competition is very much manageable. US will continue posturing and emboldening Asian allies without direct clashes, but China won't stop fortifying SCS bases day by day.

 

[angeldude13]

Well they have the upper hand and they will always use it.

But supporting terrorist for earning brownie point is bad for the reputation of mature countries like china.
I guess they've forgot those stabbing by terrorist in xinjiang.

 

[no smoking]

This is at a time when most of the West is looking for an excuse to dislike China, so that China can be painted in a negative light as the geostrategic competition between the western world and China heats up. While it might be frustrating to have resolutions blocked, it is giving India exceptional good coverage as the "good guy battling terrorism" and allowing western governments to paint China as "an evil revisionist power, supporting terrorism and fellow corrupt and repressive regimes around the world."

PRC was unwelcomed by the West from the day 1 she was born. Chinese is not living here to appease the West.
If they don't like, so be it.

But wait, it is not the West who is upset in this issue, it is India! Is India also a part of the West?

India just needs to sit back until the USA elects another republican president like Bush and suddenly we'll be hearing speeches about a new "axis of evil" involving "China-North Korea-Pakistan" etc..

You are talking as if USA is the dear mummy of India. Don't cry, honey, mummy is coming.

 

[no smoking]

Well they have the upper hand and they will always use it.

But supporting terrorist for earning brownie point is bad for the reputation of mature countries like china.
I guess they've forgot those stabbing by terrorist in xinjiang.

Of course, we didn't forget. You know what we also keep in mind? These terrorists in Xinjiang are trained by Americans and Indians. Oh, yes, we know, your friends in Afghanistan sold you out. We just don't cry publicly as you. But we won't let you get away with nothing, that is how we return your favour.

 

[blueblood]

Of course, we didn't forget. You know what we also keep in mind? These terrorists in Xinjiang are trained by Americans and Indians. Oh, yes, we know, your friends in Afghanistan sold you out. We just don't cry publicly as you. But we won't let you get away with nothing, that is how we return your favour.

What a pathological liar you are or is this a glimpse of your higher than mountains IQ.

Indians are training Uighur inside Pakistan against China and Pakistan and China together cannot do jackshit against them well inside their own territory. Cool story bro.

From his Pakistan hideout, Uighur leader vows revenge on China

Entrenched in secret mountain bases on Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, Uighur fighters are gearing up for retribution against China to avenge the deaths of comrades in Beijing's crackdown on a separatist movement, their leader told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-pakistan-uighurs-idUSBREA2D0PF20140314

Congrats. Freedom fighting in full swing and with insufficient proofs I guess.

Suspects killed several police officers with knives and bombs after speeding through a traffic checkpoint in a car in Kashgar's Tahtakoruk district, U.S.-based Radio Free Asia said, citing Turghun Memet, an officer at a nearby police station.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-china-xinjiang-attack-idUSKBN0P407H20150624

Let's see, you insult their religion, screw with their traditions and force feed them in fasts. You guys are really fun people to hangout with.

 

[no smoking]

What a pathological liar you are or is this a glimpse of your higher than mountains IQ.

Indians are training Uighur inside Pakistan against China and Pakistan and China together cannot do jackshit against them well inside their own territory. Cool story bro.

Maybe you should check your own IQ first: where did I say "Indians are training Uighur inside Pakistan?
Better read my words before jumping in, son.

 

[bose]

Of course, we didn't forget. You know what we also keep in mind? These terrorists in Xinjiang are trained by Americans and Indians. Oh, yes, we know, your friends in Afghanistan sold you out. We just don't cry publicly as you. But we won't let you get away with nothing, that is how we return your favour.

Nor we will forget !! we will also keep in mnd and enjoy the re currences of knife attacks in Xinjian !!

We will also ensure that Afghanistan is not sold out to Pakistanis and Chinese interests ...

Every now and then I see chinese government crying when ever anyone meets the holy Dalia Lama...

The knife attack is also justified and in self defense seen as return of Chinese tyranny and oppressions ...

 

[no smoking]

Nor we will forget !! we will also keep in mnd and enjoy the re currences of knife attacks in Xinjian !!

We will also ensure that Afghanistan is not sold out to Pakistanis and Chinese interests ...

Every now and then I see chinese government crying when ever anyone meets the holy Dalia Lama...

The knife attack is also justified and in self defense seen as return of Chinese tyranny and oppressions ...

That is good. At least we all agree we are playing the great game--no one need to pretend to be the victim.

 

[DingDong]

Instead of beating our chest in front of the UNSC we must learn to deal with this menace on our own. World respects brute force, and we must tell the UN that either it finds a solution for us, or we will on our own.

 

[blueblood]

Maybe you should check your own IQ first: where did I say "Indians are training Uighur inside Pakistan?
Better read my words before jumping in, son.

So, if UIghur leaders and ranks are in Pakistan, you think India is training them in Timbuktu.

As I said, take your BS elsewhere.

 

[rock127]

Of course, we didn't forget. You know what we also keep in mind? These terrorists in Xinjiang are trained by Americans and Indians. Oh, yes, we know, your friends in Afghanistan sold you out. We just don't cry publicly as you. But we won't let you get away with nothing, that is how we return your favour.

So as per "High IQ Chinese logic" if India and US is supporting terrorists in China then China asks Pakistan to hand over the Paki terrorists living in Pakistan?

All those Paki Terrorists are cutting open Han Chinese by axe and knife in public but hey thats nothing when it comes to higher than mountain and deeper than sea friendship.China can take few causalities in submission.

China asks Pakistan to hand over Uighur terrorists

Chinese authorities have asked Pakistan to hand over members of the extremist East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) believed to be operating out of the country, naming six terror suspects in a list issued on Friday that described the group as the “most direct and real safety threat that China faces”.

The six men were “core members” of the ETIM, said the Ministry of Public Security in a statement. They were identified as Nurmemet Memetmin, Abdulkyum Kurban, Paruh Tursun, Tursunjan Ebibla, Nurmemet Raxit and Mamat Imin Nurmamat — all Uighurs, the ethnic Turkic Muslim minority from China's far-western Xinjiang region which borders Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

 

[anupamsurey]

yeah, now it is left on to the P5 to decide who is terrorist and who is not. by the way, going by your words it is just china which has different notion of terrorists among the P5.

pls reread post #4 on India's hypocrisy. India could discard the one-China mask anytime but that has nil impact on the ground reality. UNSC P5, first and foremost is the sole authority to rule who's a terrorist who's not, not India.

~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~

 

[anupamsurey]

we must seriously consider to have some leverage in this Paki- china nexus, otherwise they will do anything (moral or immoral) to hurt India. China must be aligned to its shoes. modi is going soft on china, that should not happen again.

 

[angeldude13]

Of course, we didn't forget. You know what we also keep in mind? These terrorists in Xinjiang are trained by Americans and Indians. Oh, yes, we know, your friends in Afghanistan sold you out. We just don't cry publicly as you. But we won't let you get away with nothing, that is how we return your favour.

You mean to say that India give training to those uighurz??
Your own country told pakistan to act against uighurz as they were crossing borders and getting trained in Pakistan.
Should I provide source for the above or you'll Google it yourself???
If you are a troll then stop wasting my time by quoting me and if you are a sensible poster then please provide source for your random verbal diarrhoea....

 

[roma]

i quote:-

You mean to say that India give training to those uighurz??
Your own country told pakistan to act against uighurz as they were crossing borders and getting trained in Pakistan.
Should I provide source for the above or you'll Google it yourself???
If you are a troll then stop wasting my time by quoting me and if you are a sensible poster then please provide source for your random verbal diarrhoea....

especially the part :-

Your own country told pakistan to act against uighurz as they were crossing borders and getting trained in Pakistan....

that is correct ..... India has consistently stood against terrorism , shoulders together with the usa .....

contrast that with ccpchina recent position of protecting terrorists by blocking india's request against terrorism in the UN

given today's multiple and global ats of terrorism - in France, Tunisia and Kuwait, the world will side more with india and ask ccpchina why they are indirectly and directly supporting terrorists

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