China signs $35 bn deal with Pak . EDIT Najam Sethi: China signed deals worth 0.41bn$

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^^^^^^ LOL what will China and CCP do when we kick pakistani ass?? I have not seen China jumping in even when USA was on pakistani side...and at todays scenario when China is hated by everyone.....CCP can only wish that loser pakistanis are able to supply natural resource hungry china with much needed coal LOL......China will stand thik and thin, I can see how you are supporting N.Korea, as USSR is not behind you to let lose Chinese loser expansionist agenda...go can post as many news articles BUT whole world knows China thinks for itself and no one else, US is any day a better ally than Chicoms running around creating Chaos! :)
We don't have any military alliance with Pak. We have no obligation to send a single soldier to defend Pak and Pak has never espected that. All we need to do is to send guns, bullet, tank and plane.
That is enough to help Pak in killing indian soldiers.
 

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a democratic pakistan doesn't naturally mean a pakistan friendly to India.Especially when most pakistanion voters are hostile to India, a pakistanion regime elected by voters would be even more hostile to India .
:) Our voters dont care about India while voting. its rather more based on personality in Pakistan.

anyway if India wants a friendly Pakistan she should stop damaging Pakistan.

India will be the last country we will trust for anything.

China is a good friend in terms of everything
 

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:) Our voters dont care about India while voting. its rather more based on personality in Pakistan.

anyway if India wants a friendly Pakistan she should stop damaging Pakistan.

India will be the last country we will trust for anything.

China is a good friend in terms of everything
Yes because China is providing you with the freebies and investing in your lacking infrastructure, Giving you power hungers, a much needed power, so is that all for a nation to be friendly???

China will stab you in the back the day it has got all the minerals sucked out of your land.

Then whom you will go to, no other power bloc remaining.....????
 

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:) Our voters dont care about India while voting. its rather more based on personality in Pakistan.

anyway if India wants a friendly Pakistan she should stop damaging Pakistan.

India will be the last country we will trust for anything.



China is a good friend in terms of everything
this same attitude will destroy pakistan one day, even after what is happening in pakistan you ar not learning from your mistake
 

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LOL Just Listen to what Najam Sethi (from last page) have to say....thats more than enough for me to know how pathetic is pakistani media and how the exaggerate to massage the ritten ego of their ultra-islmist awam and kids and after the Blunders of Fake wiki leaks, its pretty obvious what Sethi sahab say is true.....:)
 

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Yes because China is providing you with the freebies and investing in your lacking infrastructure, Giving you power hungers, a much needed power, so is that all for a nation to be friendly???

China will stab you in the back the day it has got all the minerals sucked out of your land.

Then whom you will go to, no other power bloc remaining.....????
China so far had not stabbed us. unlike India that had stabbed Iran in the back.

Its a mutual interest based relations and in the world NO country invest or help anyone without any interest simple as that.

and BTW why to spoil today's relations for imaginative thing like "WHAT AND IF"

btw why you are so worried if China stabbed us or not where will we go or not. i feel it is such a funny stand by bharatiyas
 
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Are you speaking for Iranains now?? So far you have spoken for Afghans, Chinese and Iranians you don't have any national pride??
 

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China so far had not stabbed us. unlike India that had stabbed Iran in the back.

Its a mutual interest based relations and in the world NO country invest or help anyone without any interest simple as that.

and BTW why to spoil today's relations for imaginative thing like "WHAT AND IF"

btw why you are so worried if China stabbed us or not where will we go or not. i feel it is such a funny stand by bharatiyas
Stabbed? Do you Delusional fools have any idea what you talk about???? China Voted against Iran does it mean it stabbed Iran?

BTW when did we stab you? In 1971...yeah right...after 1965 we almost gave you a life line and made it very clear if refugee problem and genocide does not stop we would take action, what do u do, attack our out posts.....We Kicked you Ass as-ususal, and you call it stabbing, I would say its typical pakistani Denial and Delusion, it was pure ass kicking which pakistani army realized and hence SURRENDERED in full Military Honors, such feat achieved by only few militaries in the world:emot0::happy_2:


You wanna know what Stabbing is......Its your DOLLAR Hungry army allying with USA to BOMB The hell out of ur Ally Afghanistan and Co-Religionalist Afghanistan to Stone-Age and still you let supply and AID forces against Afghans...This is Stabbing against the regime you installed and pledged to protect!!!

Shame!!:happy_2::happy_2:
 
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China so far had not stabbed us. unlike India that had stabbed Iran in the back.

Its a mutual interest based relations and in the world NO country invest or help anyone without any interest simple as that.

and BTW why to spoil today's relations for imaginative thing like "WHAT AND IF"

btw why you are so worried if China stabbed us or not where will we go or not. i feel it is such a funny stand by bharatiyas
Why do you people from across the border bring on the third country every time in you conversation, first afghanistan, then china and now iran. Talk of what YOU are and not others.

Talk about your own self. U get it.


BTW we haven't stabbed Iran for you knowledge don't just type that you like. Even after voting against them in the UN, we are on very good terms.

Defn of Stabbing : US' activities in FATA region using their Drones is called Stabbing. Add this to your dictionary from now on.
 

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Stabbed? Do you Delusional fools have any idea what you talk about???? China Voted against Iran does it mean it stabbed Iran?


You wanna know what Stabbing is......Its your DOLLAR Hungry army allying with USA to BOMB The hell out of ur Ally Afghanistan and Co-Religionalist Afghanistan to Stone-Age and still you let supply and AID forces against Afghans...This is Stabbing against the regime you installed and pledged to protect!!!

Shame!!:happy_2::happy_2:
what shame ? everything has a price and being a mercenary country Pakistanis will work even for us if we pay them well. Hain na Zanashah ji ?
 

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Yes because China is providing you with the freebies and investing in your lacking infrastructure, Giving you power hungers, a much needed power, so is that all for a nation to be friendly???

China will stab you in the back the day it has got all the minerals sucked out of your land.

Then whom you will go to, no other power bloc remaining.....????

China will not be stabbing them in back . they are sc****ng them on daily basis . They are building roads and railways so that they can siphon off their minerals at throw away price and them export finished good to pakistan to make double profit. They will realize it when China will suck them dry.
 

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China so far had not stabbed us. unlike India that had stabbed Iran in the back.

Its a mutual interest based relations and in the world NO country invest or help anyone without any interest simple as that.

and BTW why to spoil today's relations for imaginative thing like "WHAT AND IF"

btw why you are so worried if China stabbed us or not where will we go or not. i feel it is such a funny stand by bharatiyas
China also back stabbed Iran as per your definition? They also opposed Iran in that vote!
 

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whenever west driven UNSC to sanction on IRan, it is always China that alleviate the air for Iran.......
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What are you talking about? Do you only feed on propaganda of CCP? Grow up or atleast wake up!!

China supports Barack Obama's call for new Iran sanctions

Fresh sanctions against Iran moved closer yesterday, when China agreed to begin drafting a UN resolution imposing measures aimed at persuading Tehran to curb its nuclear programme.

Last night, Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, said the five permanent security council members plus Germany "continues to be unified" in talks on sanctions. "There will be a great deal of further consultation not only among the [six], but other members of the security council and other [UN] member nations during the next weeks," she said.

According to officials with knowledge of the talks, an agreement to begin drafting a security council resolution was reached in a telephone call involving representatives of the US, China, Russia, Britain, France and Germany.

The negotiations will now move to New York, where diplomats will hammer out a sanctions package. Barack Obama said on Tuesday he hoped the UN would pass a sanctions resolution within "weeks".

Bill Burton, a White House spokesman, said yesterday there was a real sense of urgency about applying pressure to Iran. "There are some very intense conversations happening at the United Nations right now that we're able to make some real progress on."

Mark Toner, a US state department spokesman, confirmed the telephone conference had taken place and that the US had been represented by number three at the state department, William Burns.

Three rounds of sanctions have already been imposed on Iran. The US claims Iran is covertly seeking a nuclear weapon capability while Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, pictured below, says its nuclear industry is for peaceful power generation.

Negotiations over sanctions have taken months in the past and although Obama says he would like a deal done this spring, they are likely to be protracted again. China and Russia want a narrower set of measures than the Americans and western Europeans have been seeking.

Following the revelation last September that Tehran had been building a covert uranium enrichment plant near Qom, and the collapse of a compromise deal by which Iran would export the bulk of its enriched uranium stockpile for processing, Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, had agreed the need for new sanctions.

But until yesterday, Beijing had held out against US-led pressure to begin drafting a resolution.

The talks were complicated by other flashpoints in US-China relations, particularly American arms sales to Taiwan in January and Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama in February.

The agreement yesterday came after a similar conference call a week ago in which China participated after weeks of stalling.

Burton said the White House was confident that it will be able to work with China to apply "meaningful" pressure.

Bringing China to the negotiating table is seen in Washington as a diplomatic breakthrough, but the degree of Obama's success in winning the argument will be measured by the final terms of the UN resolution, and on how long it takes to agree.

China is in the process of changing its delegation at the UN, a move that could delay negotiations further. Some officials said they expected the security council talks to drag on until June.

The US had originally sought broad sanctions against Iran's energy sector. Russia and China have said the measures are targeted against individuals and institutions directly linked with Iran's nuclear and missile programme.

The news of diplomatic progress towards sanctions coincided with a report that an Iranian nuclear scientist who went missing in Saudi Arabia last summer had been persuaded to defect by the CIA and had been resettled in the US.

ABC News said the defection of Shahram Amiri was part of a "long-planned" CIA operation.

"The CIA reportedly approached the scientist in Iran through an intermediary who made an offer of resettlement on behalf of the US," the broadcaster said.

It echoed earlier speculation that Amiri, an expert on radioactive isotopes at Malek Ashtar University in Tehran, had been persuaded to defect while on a pilgrimage to Mecca late last May or early June.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/31/china-supports-obama-iran-sanctions
 
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Iran faces fresh sanctions as Russia and China support UN resolution

The security council is set to impose tough sanctions on Iran next month after a surprise shift by Russia and China in favour of punitive action against Tehran's military and financial institutions, according to a security council source.

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, described the draft UN resolution as "strong".

The proposed sanctions, which would be the fourth round of measures against Iran, are aimed at persuading it to abandon what the US, Britain, France and Israel claim is an attempt to secure a nuclear weapons capability.

The sanctions will target the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which control a business empire including hotels and other commercial projects, a huge military complex, shipping and insurance. An existing arms embargo will be expanded.

The 10-page draft resolution also calls for stopping Iranian ships suspected of containing cargo related to Iran's nuclear or missile programmes.

Such a policy could create potentially dangerous stand-offs between US naval ships and Iranian vessels.

A draft security council resolution was agreed early today by the five permanent members of the security council – the US, Britain, China, Russia and France. The resolution was sent to the other 10 members of the council this afternoon.

The imposition of sanctions may help delay Israel's long-threatened air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

Russia and China have long held out against fresh sanctions and their turnaround appeared to catch US, British and French diplomats off guard. The White House has, for months, sought to win over Moscow and Beijing to the imposition of fresh measures.

The deal is a rare foreign policy success for Barack Obama, who faced domestic scepticism about securing the backing of China, which imports oil from Iran, and Russia, which also has extensive trade with Iran.

The security council move came less than 24 hours after Brazil and Turkey announced their own deal with Iran, under which Tehran would ship out more than a tonne of enriched uranium in return for fuel rods for a nuclear research reactor. The US and Britain were cool about this deal, saying it did not go nearly far enough.

Brazil and Turkey will be upset that their diplomatic effort has been scuppered so quickly. Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, had said yesterday the deal made sanctions unnecessary.

What will add to the Brazilian and Turkish anger is that their deal is similar to one that the US, France, Russia and the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog, agreed with Tehran last October, from which Iran withdrew earlier this year. The White House was yesterday dismissive of the Brazil-Turkey deal, portraying it as a delaying tactic on the part of Tehran. "We weren't surprised Iran was doing something that could forestall sanctions against them," the White House's spokesman, Bill Burton, said. He added: "We're going to continue to apply pressure in every way we can "¦ We're going to continue until Iran lives up to its international obligations."

Clinton, giving evidence to the Senate foreign relations committee, also interpreted the Brazil-Turkey deal as a delaying tactic on the part of Iran. "We don't believe it was any accident that Iran agreed to this declaration as we are preparing to move forward in New York," she said. Confirming the security council deal, she said: "We have reached agreement on a strong draft with the co-operation of both Russia and China."

With all five permanent members of the security council on board, negotiations with the 10 temporary members would normally take two to four weeks. The US, Britain and France would like a unanimous resolution but Brazil and Turkey, after the rebuff of their initiative, may be hard to persuade. Previous sanctions have failed to persuade Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment programme, which the US and its allies suspect is a key stage in the development of a nuclear weapons capability. Tehran says its nuclear programme is purely for civilian purposes.

Western diplomats say sanctions alone will not bring Tehran round but, combined with other pressures, might lead to change. Israel has supported the push for sanctions while not ruling out an eventual military strike. It has already described Iran's possession of a nuclear weapon as a "red line".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/18/iran-un-sanctions-russia-china
 

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China's support for more Iran sanctions in doubt

(Reuters) - Underneath the declarations that six key world powers are united in their push for new U.N. sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program, Western capitals fear that China may be breaking ranks.

But the United States and its Western allies hope Russia's support for ratcheting up the pressure on Iran will help to persuade China, a veto-wielding permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, not to block new measures against Tehran.

Representatives from the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China met in New York on Saturday to discuss prospects for further punitive steps against Iran, but China made clear it opposed more punitive action for now.

Five members of the group and the European Union sent senior officials -- so-called "political directors" -- to the meeting. But China sent a low-level diplomat from its U.N. mission, which Western diplomats said was a virtual snub.

No decisions were taken at the meeting which Russian delegate Sergei Ryabkov described as "inconclusive."

After Saturday's three-hour meeting, senior EU official Robert Cooper summarized the discussions.

"The group remains united and underlines its unity and remains committed to the two-track approach," Cooper said. "We will continue to seek a negotiated solution, but consideration of appropriate further measures has also begun."

Cooper's statement implied that China, too, remained committed to the "two-track approach" -- a combination of engaging Iran while pursuing sanctions to pressure it to halt sensitive atomic activities, such as uranium enrichment.

Iran refuses to halt its enrichment work, which Western nations fear is at the heart of a secret atomic weapons program. Tehran says its nuclear ambitions are limited to the peaceful generation of electricity.

But several participants in the meeting said it was no longer clear that Bejing would vote for a new sanctions resolution if it was put to a vote at the Security Council.

CHINA PLAYS "HARD TO GET"

Western diplomats and analysts, however, said that China's willingness to continue to participate in discussions on Iran sanctions meant that Beijing was eager to stay with the group and might be persuaded not to veto any new measures.

"It looks like the Chinese are playing hard to get," said Mark Fitzpatrick of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. "They are strutting their newfound role of global kingmaker, and they are peeved at the coming U.S. arms sales to Taiwan."

"They also sincerely believe that sanctions won't help resolve the nuclear crisis with Iran and they worry that moving further down the sanctions path could harm China's energy security interests," he said.

Fitzpatrick said all depends on Russia. If Moscow backs a new sanctions resolution, China will not veto it. Even if China decides not to vote in favor of new sanctions, it could abstain and allow the Security Council to adopt new measures
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60I5E520100119


China, Russia support Iran sanctions
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?ID=175933

You want more Badguy I will give more, but Stop living in a fools world!!
 

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You want more Badguy I will give more, but Stop living in a fools world!!
Some people want to delve in the world of Cold War era a little bit longer to think of forming a chain of "new alliances". :emot15: All this without realizing that alliance is a thing of past; strategic partnership limited to certain core issues is the real deal.
 

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China's Wen Jiabao bolsters ties to Pakistan


China's Prime Minister Wen Jiabao ended a three-day visit to Pakistan Sunday after inking a string of deals with an ally one Beijing diplomat referred to as 'our Israel.'

By Issam Ahmed, Correspondent / December 19, 2010
Islamabad, Pakistan

Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao wrapped up a three-day visit to Pakistan on Sunday with a warmly received speech to Parliament that pledged closer strategic ties and lauded Pakistan's fight against militancy, underscoring Beijing's commitment to a geostrategic ally a Chinese diplomat recently dubbed "our Israel."

The Chinese delegation had already inked trade agreements between the private and public sectors of both countries worth some $30 billion. The trade deals are expected to bring up to $15 billion of desperately needed foreign investment over the next five years to this nation of 180 million struggling to cope with militancy and poverty. Last year, direct foreign investment to Pakistan stood at a 5-year-low of $2 billion.

Beyond aid and investment, however, Mr. Wen's strong words of support for its "all-weather" ally highlight a different approach to Pakistan to that taken by the West, which many Pakistanis believe has slighted Pakistan in favor of emerging economic powerhouse India.

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"The timing of the trip is very important. Pakistan is facing difficulties in the region with the Obama review [on Afghanistan] excoriating Pakistan, and Western leaders trooping off to India without visiting Pakistan," says Mushahid Hussain, an opposition senator and chairman of the Pakistan China Institute think tank. "This trip instills confidence in the Pakistani leadership and the Pakistani nation. Even through these hard times, the world's second-largest economy is standing with us."
Visits to the region

Indeed, President Obama, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and Prime Minister David Cameron of Great Britain all visited India in recent months without going to Pakistan.

Wen's trip to Pakistan follows a visit to India where China and India pledged to double their trade to $100 billion. That trip did not offer any breakthroughs on border disputes and other geopolitical differences, however.

Decades of unresolved border disputes after a brief 1962 border war have soured relations between India and China.
Solid Pakistan-China ties

Contrast that with Pakistan, where China has maintained solid ties for six decades. In 1951, Pakistan was among the first countries to recognize the People's Republic of China founded two years earlier by the Communist party, which still governs China.

Today, China benefits from access to Pakistan's natural resources, which prompted several bilateral agreements from Wen's trip, including a $400 million loan for post-flood reconstruction, $10 million donation to the flood victims, the widening of the Karokoram highway to facilitate trade, and a pledge to assist Pakistan's energy sector.

China also recently agreed to construct two nuclear reactors for Pakistan in what many analysts believe to be a move to "one-up" the United States, and further its goal of an alternative power nexus in the region. During his trip to Pakistan, Jiabao stated that China and Pakistan share common views on reform of the United Nations Security Council. President Obama had previously announced his support for a permanent seat for India.

Wen lauds Pakistan's war against militants

Addressing Pakistani parliament on Sunday, Wen lauded Pakistan's role in fighting militancy without making reference to Pakistan's support of militant groups. He won lawmakers' applause by stating that terror is not confined to any religion or country, and waxed lyrical on relations between the two countries, stating: "The China-Pakistan friendship is full of vigor and vitaity, like a tree with thick roots and lush foliage."

In what would appear to be a reference to the influence of the United States in the region post 9/11, he congratulated Pakistan for having "withstood foreign interference" and "maintained an independent foreign policy."

Wen closed his speech by saying "a close neighbor means more than a distant relative," which analysts interpreted as a possible reference to US relations with Japan and South Korea.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani's inauguration of a China-Pakistan Friendship Center in the capital, Islamabad, highlights Pakistan's gratitude and confidence, though some analysts caution that trade-agreements alone are not guaranteed tickets to prosperity.

Bilateral trade between China and Pakistan currently stands at around $7 billion, though the balance remains heavily in China's favor owing to proliferation of cheap Chinese goods.

"This is the second time a Chinese Premier has gone to India before Pakistan," says Cyril Almeida, a columnist for leading Pakistani English-daily Dawn, noting the growing economic ties between the two Asian giants.

Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) do not always herald real investment, he says, adding the Chinese are not known for their generosity.

In 2008, China refused a financial bailout to President Asif Zardari, and has avoided the financial commitments to Pakistan that the US has made, most recently in its $7.5 billion civilian aid package.

Says Mr. Almeida: "We should remember that China remains more important for us than we are to them."

Wen In Pak
There is gains for China financially and strategically in keeping Pakistan as its extension.

Under the guise of friendship is the sharp Chinese money making insight as also her deep seated expansionist mindset coupled with ensuring that all are engulfed in the Han superiority awe.

A failed state with a hug identity crisis is the idea customer for China's warm embrace!
 

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There is gains for China financially and strategically in keeping Pakistan as its extension.
Under the guise of friendship is the sharp Chinese money making insight as also her deep seated expansionist mindset coupled with ensuring that all are engulfed in the Han superiority awe.
A failed state with a hug identity crisis is the idea customer for China's warm embrace!
Sir
For sake of diversifying (not confuse) this discussion i would like to make few points of my own. Though my fundamental approach about this sino-pak combination is as typical as it has to be. But I would like to discuss it with a little different approach, that is Chinese mind set. Apart from its expansionist desires or encircling India why we should not see that there is a Chinese mind set who thinks that military strong Pakistan will bring stability in the region. I remember Sir K.Sunderji being benign on Pakistani acquisition of Nuclear weapons. His approach 'deterrence is not war fighting' discourages us to remain adequately equipped but not overwhelming irrespective of what opponent is doing. So why there should be a fuss, when we know when to say enough, to deter both? Also this game is far more complex, apart from our rhetoric Indian approach boosted by pacifist mind sets stands correct given the fact we have different priorities; to disown all aggressive gestures both are making towards us.

I would like to correct myself as well, Please tell me if i am wrong.

Are Chinese not able to see a Pakistan whose terrorist mind set is damaging India states badly. Do they over trust Pakistan's lost wisdom that at some stage she will become saner?

Are Chinese not able to calculate that at some stage India will see Pakistani nuclear weapons and posture as an proxy extension of China?

Are Chinese not able to see that even without into a war pact with Pakistan, the Chinese help is entitled in India as strategic-military partnership only?

Are Chinese not able to see, for India the Pakistani nuclear exchange will not be a two sum game but all three will be Involved?

There are few Schools of thought that China will make sure that Pakistan will abstain from nuclear exchange. But why China will buy Pakistani friendship only after increasing its own liability with very dangerous means?

Initially we believed that Chinese friendship with Pakistan was an endeavor to de-encircle its self as India was in Russian camp/Russian Invasion of Afghanistan. Now the situation is different but Chinese support to Pakistan is still consistently the same or even worst at the cost of India. Therefore our concerns are genuine not overreactions.

I mean i am trying to bring China off the hook but i can not. If not you sir, then i would like to request Pakistani or Chinese members to help me on this.
 
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