China should strengthen force on Indian border, researcher says

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Rare ?Really? I'm afraid this means hardly being reported before...as a so-called China watcher, I think you could understand it, this is chinese style..Typical...do first then keep slient or talk if necessary...

a big talker keep bla.bla..bla... is not welcomed in our culture , unlike in some other country.

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recently ...the mobility training and exercise under the cold weather were held in the north China...

the Temp around -30 Celsius degrees ....Altitude: 1500 Meters
You seem to be a grasshopper - hopping around without checking what is going on

Your own friend Xizihmen wrote

maybe in India,but in China.and China intensifies this rare exercise remarkably in recent years.
So, should not believe that?

Please be aware of what is going on and then jump to derail.
 
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hey are natural born warrior and defeating them is next to impossible
Good one.

That is why the Opium Wars got them hooked to Opium.

And the Japanese did the Nanking as they claim!
 

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No matter even if india spends 1 trillion on there defence per year.china will be a winner becuase they are natural born warrior and defeating them is next to impossible

china on the other hand should not deploy more than 2 division.they are more than enough for both defensive and offensive purpose at any scale against whole indian armed forces
Sir, please direct such useful information to this thread. Thank you.
 

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China has lost last 2 wars it has fought Vietnam and Japan, we know Pakistan is a slave of
China but can you give some proof for your ass kissing?
Is that what your history book told you,China,ROC,was the victorious side in the WW2 Japan sign the instrument of surrender and formally surrendered to the allies and China,the surrender ceremony signed seperately in China and Japan.that's why China got a permenant seat in UN SECURITY CONCIL,the elite 5 member club of the major victorious countries of the WW2,isnt Indian trying very hard to get in for years in vain?but anyway that's before the PRC.

in PRC time,we definitely won Vietnam conflict in every respect,in a less than 2 week punitive expedition,China captured many provinces in North Vietnam and had Hanoi in a short striking distance,China laid waste to 6 provinces of Vietnam and called Soviet bluff and show their friendship and mutual military assistnce treaty was a empty piece of paper ,for Soveit didnt' do anything to save its small ally and the final result is the Vietnamese signing loss of land treaty with China.although we are neighboring countries,Vietnam during the whole course of war couldn't even touch a grass on our side,the whole conflict was fought in Vietnam and international figures show we kille more of their troops and captured 10 times of more POWs,that's also proven when exchange of POWs took place after the war.
 
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I have always read the Allies saved China from Japan no individual chinese effort is mentioned
always allied training,supplies,logistics etc... that saved China. Chinese claimed victory after
Japanese started withdrawl from the mainland to defend Japanese islands from US advances
in the Pacific.
 
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I have always read the Allies saved China from Japan no individual chinese effort is mentioned
always allied training,supplies,logistics etc... that saved China. Chinese claimed victory after
Japanese started withdrawl from the mainland to defend Japanese islands.
And India bhai was in the allies. now China should deploy more troops on border.
What's the hell the world is.
 
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I have always read the Allies saved China from Japan no individual chinese effort is mentioned
always allied training,supplies,logistics etc... that saved China. Chinese claimed victory after
Japanese started withdrawl from the mainland to defend Japanese islands from US advances
in the Pacific.
You should read more formal document ,no too much tabloids

In the middle and later stages of the war (after 1939) when the Japanese advanced to Central China, the Nationalists were very effective at fighting the Japanese. For instance, the Chinese fought the Japanese to a stalemate in Shangsha in 3 major battles (the battles of Changsha) in the span of 4 years (1939-1942). Note that this was NOT some guerilla fighting involving a company or two, but huge fighting involving army groups that totaled in close to half million troops from both sides in each one of these battles.

Further, the Chinese fought Japan on a second front in Burma and India. Nationalists sent the Chinese Expeditionary Forces to Burma/ India in 1942 and fought the Japanese in Southeastern China in 2 campaigns for 3 years 'til the end of the war. This was also large battles between army groups. China and Allied forces (mainly British colonial forces) lost badly in the 1st campaign. However, Chinese forces alone came back and defeated the Japanese thoroughly and effectively in the second campaign. The Chinese forces were able to push Japanese almost completely out of Burma in 1944/45.
Japanese casualties
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The Japanese recorded around 1.1 to 1.9 million military casualties (which include killed, wounded and missing). The official death-toll according to the Japan Defense Ministry is 480,000 men, which some historians claim is an understatement due to the length of the war.The combined Chinese forces claimed to have killed at most 1.77 million Japanese soldiers during the eight-year war.

Another source from Hilary Conroy claim that a total of 447,000 Japanese soldiers died in China during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Of the 1,130,000 Imperial Japanese Army soldiers who died during World War II, 39 percent died in China.
 
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There are no famous chinese military victories against the Chinese. The 1,130,000 Japanese dead soldiers
is small compared to the chinese losing 22 million people. Also the number you mentioned also includes
Burma I believe.
 
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http://www.taiwandocuments.org/japansurrender.htm

The Surrender of Japanese Forces
in China, Indochina, and Formosa


On 2 September 1945, representatives of the Japanese government and the Japanese armed forces formally surrendered to the Allies by signing the Instrument of Surrender aboard the U.S.S. Missouri anchored in Tokyo Bay. Immediately following the signing ceremony, General of the Army Douglas MacArthur, Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers (SCAP)
, issued his General Order no. 1 laying out measures for the surrender of Japanese forces in Japan and her territories. General Order no. 1 assigned responsibility for demobilising Japanese forces in three areas, China, Indochina, and Formosa, to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. On 9 September 1945, pursuant to the General Order, Japanese commanders in China and representatives of Generalissimo Chiang signed the Act of Surrender – China Theatre in Nanking. Because the surrender of Japan is alleged by China to be the event transferring sovereignty of Formosa to China, an examination of the events surrounding the surrender and the Act of Surrender is warranted.
 

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ACT OF SURRENDER

ACT OF SURRENDER

The Emperor of Japan, the Japanese government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, having recognized the complete military defeat of the Japanese military forces by the Allied forces and having surrendered unconditionally to the Supreme Commander for the Allied powers, having directed by his general order no.1 that the senior commanders and all ground, sea, air and auxiliary forces within China excluding Manchuria, Formosa and French Indo-China north of 16 degrees north latitude shall surrender to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek.

We, the Japanese Commanders of all Japanese forces and auxiliaries in the areas named above, also recognizing the complete military defeat of the Japanese military forces by the Allied forces, hereby surrender unconditionally all of the forces under our command to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. All the Japanese forces hereby surrendered will cease hostilities and will remain at the stations they now occupy. They are now non-combatant troops and in due course will be demobilized. They will assemble, preserve without damage, and turn over to the forces specified by Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, all arms, ammunition, equipment, supplies, records, information and other assets of any kind belonging to the Japanese forces. Pending specific instructions, all Japanese aircraft, naval units, and merchant ships in the areas named above will be held without damage where they are at present located.

All the Allied prisoners of war and civilian internees now under Japanese control in the areas named above will be liberated at once and the Japanese forces will provide protection, care, maintenance, and transportation to places as directed.

Henceforth, all the Japanese forces, hereby surrendered, will be subject to the control of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. Their movements and activities will be dictated by him, and they will obey only the orders and proclamations issued, or authorised, by him, or the orders of their Japanese commanders based upon his instructions.

This act of surrender and all subsequent orders and proclamations of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek to the surrender forces will be issued at once to the appropriate subordinate commanders and forces and it will be the responsibility of all Japanese commanders and forces to see that such proclamations and orders are immediately and completely complied with.

For any failure or delay, by any member of the forces surrendered hereby to act in accordance with this act of surrender or future orders or proclamations of the Generalissimo, he will summarily and drastically punish both the violator and his responsible commanders.

 

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Some history illiterate people here claim that China lost the war,I dont know who told them that and how come China holds a permenant seat in UN SECURITY CONCIL but not Japan if it was the case.
 
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Some history illiterate people here claim that China lost the war,I dont know who told them that and how come China holds a permenant seat in UN SECURITY CONCIL but not Japan if it was the case.
UN security council seat was for Chinese military victory against Japan? Can you provide
a link? ? Don't get personal or next time it will be an infarction.
 
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UN security council seat was for Chinese military victory against Japan? Can you provide
a link? Where does it say China lost the war in any post? Don't get personal or next time
it will be an infarction.
Did I say you?check previous page and check it yourself,they said China lost two wars to Japan and Vietnam.

China has lost last 2 wars it has fought Vietnam and Japan, we know Pakistan is a slave of
China but can you give some proof for your ass kissing?
LETHALFORCE ↑
as for UN Securite concil,what do you think of its origin?

United Nations Security Council
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There are 15 members of the Security Council. This includes five veto-wielding permanent members—China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States—based on the great powers that were the victors of World War II
 
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Did I say you?check previous page and check it yourself,they said China lost two wars to Japan and Vietnam.
I will say it again China had lost to Japan before the allies got involved specifically
US oil embargo of Japan. No Chinese effort was able to stop Japanese advance in China.
It is the allies that saved China and nothing else.

 
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I will say it again China had lost to Japan before the allies got involved specifically
US oil embargo of Japan. No Chinese effort was able to stop Japanese advance in China.
then you proved your ignorance again,Japan in its heyday only managed to get control of less than one third of China and only cities,not countryside,China still has a well functioned government and millions of regular troops from both ROC government and CCP units,even Korean exile government was in China then,so can you define your concept of "defeated".
 

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I will say it again China had lost to Japan before the allies got involved specifically
US oil embargo of Japan. No Chinese effort was able to stop Japanese advance in China.
then you proved your ignorance again,Japan in its heyday only managed to get control of less than one third of China and only cities,not countryside,China still has a well functioned government and millions of regular troops from both ROC government and CCP units,even Korean exile government was in China then,so can you define your concept of "defeated".
 

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