China rolls out AWACS aircrafts for Pakistan Air Force

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Its amazing what lengths China will go to undermine India. If anyone ever has one iota of doubt about the hostility of China towards India - then should track Chinese defense sales to Pakistan.

Every single time India gains a qualitative leap in defense technology over the Pakistan - you have the Chinese are rushing to close that gap with their copycat half-ass imitation version of Western/Russian technology.

When are these Chinks going to realize that they are backing a LOSER. A country that is a complete freaking disaster for itself and he rest of the world.

I wonder what the Chinese members of this forum think about this ??
 

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Its amazing what lengths China will go to undermine India. If anyone ever has one iota of doubt about the hostility of China towards India - then should track Chinese defense sales to Pakistan.

Every single time India gains a qualitative leap in defense technology over the Pakistan - you have the Chinese are rushing to close that gap with their copycat half-ass imitation version of Western/Russian technology.

When are these Chinks going to realize that they are backing a LOSER. A country that is a complete freaking disaster for itself and he rest of the world.

I wonder what the Chinese members of this forum think about this ??
Its business for China. Pakistan is only country whom china can force to buy their 2nd grade copy. It give china some dollars and Hope for Pakistani people that they are not alone, thier master china is with them. In whole world no one knows capability of this AWAC and will never know because once they know it they cannot stop laughing. We should be please with Pakistan buying Chinese Junks.
 

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Its business for China. Pakistan is only country whom china can force to buy their 2nd grade copy. It give china some dollars and Hope for Pakistani people that they are not alone, thier master china is with them. In whole world no one knows capability of this AWAC and will never know because once they know it they cannot stop laughing. We should be please with Pakistan buying Chinese Junks.
Its not about money. You are wrong on that. China has such a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world that it does not matter, if they dont make a dime on defense sales. Its about undermining India any way they can and gaining leverage with Pak.

China does not need defense to make money. Making money on defense sales is the least of their worries.

Do you really think that Pak is paying full price for the Chinese hardware. China will be happy to give Pak weapons at cost as long as they keep creating trouble for India.
 

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Its amazing what lengths China will go to undermine India. If anyone ever has one iota of doubt about the hostility of China towards India - then should track Chinese defense sales to Pakistan.

Every single time India gains a qualitative leap in defense technology over the Pakistan - you have the Chinese are rushing to close that gap with their copycat half-ass imitation version of Western/Russian technology.

When are these Chinks going to realize that they are backing a LOSER. A country that is a complete freaking disaster for itself and he rest of the world.
I wonder what the Chinese members of this forum think about this ??
It doesn't matter what the Chinese members think, because they have no power to influence their government's foreign policy.

The Chinese will continue to back Pakisthan, as long as it has some semblance of a functioning government. That's just how it is, whiich is why it is essential to dismantle Pakistan now.

That's easier said than done ofcourse in a country with 170 mln. people and nuclear weapons. But I think, the free states are on board with this.

Talibanization, of the north west, is the only way. But because Pakistan is such a big country, you can't systematically cleavage the country into various states. You need to create pockets of unrest. The MQM should be hijacked to create unrest in Karachi, the Balochis in the west and the corrupt Punjabis and their most powerful feudal ilk to create problems in their part. Now that the Senate is a rathole, the Army has to be infested from the rank up. When they are occupied with the various problems, you have declarations of independence. You have some countries recognize those independences, Kosovo style. For that, you need to sever the embryo that binds the U.S. to Pakisthan.

As hard as it is, the longer we wait, the more chance Pakistan has to get institutionalized. And the more difficult our predicament becomes.
 

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Its not about money. You are wrong on that. China has such a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world that it does not matter, if they dont make a dime on defense sales. Its about undermining India any way they can and gaining leverage with Pak.

China does not need defense to make money. Making money on defense sales is the least of their worries.

Do you really think that Pak is paying full price for the Chinese hardware. China will be happy to give Pak weapons at cost as long as they keep creating trouble for India.
Trade surplus doesn't mean that they will stop looking for more and more money . Chinas attempt to undermine India is also a big factor.
China is aiming to be a superpower and challenge American dominance. They have seen Americans and Russians making billions by just exporting weapons and see this a future growth potential as a symbol of growing power and an alternative mean to make money . They have to make start somewhere and they find no one better than their pet named Pakistan .A good business man will find ways to make money even from garbage as well.
 

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Why are Chinese products so ugly? or its because its a Cheap version for pakistan?
What difference does it make?

You think comeliness has anything to do with performance?

From every indication, including pictures of cockpit I've seen, it appears to be a pretty competent aircraft.

And pending credible knowledge of the radar <which, we will probably never have> we have to assume the best.

This is concerning me. And it should be to you too. Despite all the wise cracks discounting Chinese performance.
 

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Interesting!

But even with this PAF will fail to archive any air-superiority over any battle for Medium - long duration:

1. Large no of Indian Airfield near LOCs..

2. IA SA-6 with SA-8 in support along LOCs..

3. In addition all of these any PAF fighter getting inside Indian airspace can be detected 1000km away from LOC, thanks to TH-1955 upgraded radars..

The only thing these AWACS can do is to show how PAF fighters are getting shot down to their respective chiefs..

Or

These Systems can help PLAAF campaign over Kashmir sectors where PAF & PLAAF can coordinate attack with each other tools as a single fighting force..
 

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The talk about cheap and useless chinese shit should not give us any succour. Any capability is a concern to us never mind if its the best in the world or not... Even the good old bayonet is still used in the battlefield and as proven in kargil its still pretty effective. By poking fun at this new capability we will only do ourselves harm. The indian air force sure will not take it lightly and will make the necessary modifications in its doctrine to wage an aerial war and also defend against PAF.
 

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Trade surplus doesn't mean that they will stop looking for more and more money . Chinas attempt to undermine India is also a big factor.
China is aiming to be a superpower and challenge American dominance. They have seen Americans and Russians making billions by just exporting weapons and see this a future growth potential as a symbol of growing power and an alternative mean to make money . They have to make start somewhere and they find no one better than their pet named Pakistan .A good business man will find ways to make money even from garbage as well.
China is not lack of fund and money at all. By dumping out old stock of civilian goods to India and other third world countries, we have earned enough money. the biggest problem to CHina is not how to earn money, but how to spend its trillions of dollars effectlively.

Fairly speaking, no countries can become rich just by exporting weapons .

both UK and USA became rich by exporting civilian goods such as textiles or steel/oil in their initial stage.
 
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here is the picture of the AWAC. its size is so small that it can be a AWAC for Aircraft carriers.



BTW ,it is reported that its radar is traditional reeling PD radar,instead of AESA. it is a outdated tech to PLA ,but it is still helpful to Pakistanian airforce.

such AWAC with traditional PD radars should be a downgraded version specially for export.
Both KJ2000 and KJ200 of PLF use AESA.
 
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here is the picture of the AWAC. its size is so small that it can be a AWAC for Aircraft carriers.



BTW ,it is reported that its radar is traditional reeling PD radar,instead of AESA. it is a outdated tech to PLA ,but it is still helpful to Pakistanian airforce.

such AWAC with traditional PD radars should be a downgraded version specially for export.
Both KJ2000 and KJ200 of PLF use AESA.
How come the rotodome is so small compared to other AWACS??
 
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China is not lack of fund and money at all. By dumping out old stock of civilian goods to India and other third world countries, we have earned enough money. the biggest problem to CHina is not how to earn money, but how to spend its trillions of dollars effectlively.

Fairly speaking, no countries can become rich just by exporting weapons .

both UK and USA became rich by exporting civilian goods such as textiles or steel/oil in their initial stage.
most of the trillions is in DEBT holding so it cannot be spent, have chinese civilian goods reached 10% of the quality of UK or US goods?
 
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Interesting!

But even with this PAF will fail to archive any air-superiority over any battle for Medium - long duration:

1. Large no of Indian Airfield near LOCs..

2. IA SA-6 with SA-8 in support along LOCs..

3. In addition all of these any PAF fighter getting inside Indian airspace can be detected 1000km away from LOC, thanks to TH-1955 upgraded radars..

The only thing these AWACS can do is to show how PAF fighters are getting shot down to their respective chiefs..

Or

These Systems can help PLAAF campaign over Kashmir sectors where PAF & PLAAF can coordinate attack with each other tools as a single fighting force..

Kunal do you think this is an air refuelable AWAC like a E3-A or a Phalcon??( I doubt it is ) then practically; how effective will this be??
 
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Well I wanna know how is the beam steered...thats all..Can you throw some light on it BG? And I thought all radars work on the principle of Doppler effect. And AESA, PESA, SABR, and Mechanical and all is how the beam is being steered from the antenna.

http://www.mit.edu/~lrv/cornell/publications/radar principles.pdf
Satish I doubt Chinese have built a phase array antenna steered by a decent radar even for their own use; let alone any export.
 

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most of the trillions is in DEBT holding so it cannot be spent, have chinese civilian goods reached 10% of the quality of UK or US goods?
except Boeing aircraft and people-killing weapons, none of Yankee-made can be found widely in the world now.

In one decade, cars and computer(including supercomputers) made in China are to ass-kick ones made in USA ,just as house applance, ships,steel, textile,highspeed railways,expressways made in CHina did.
 

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Satish I doubt Chinese have built a phase array antenna steered by a decent radar even for their own use; let alone any export.
Sorry LF..I was just curious if they had found out some other principle with which they are operating their radar...I thought only Doppler effect was the principle in which the Radar works. And I cant underestimate the rival equipment that I am going to face off.
 
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except Boeing aircraft and people-killing weapons, none of Yankee-made can be found widely in the world now.

In one decade, cars and computer(including supercomputers) made in China are to ass-kick ones made in USA ,just as house applance, ships,steel, textile,highspeed railways,expressways made in CHina did.
with the looming trade war US will make sure these goods stay in China, USA still has much more influence in trade than a 3rd rate cheap good manufacturer.
 

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