China: Religion in schools harms the mental health of the youth

[PrashantAzazel]

China knows how to deal with religion. Something we should learn from them if we are to grow.

 

[sorcerer]

Chinese fear the installation of religion into the system systematically by the Deeper than Deeper messy friend of theirs which is pakistan.

Its just a matter of time paki will learn how to effectively milk china via East Turkestan using brand islam.

 

[amoy]

@amoy Even if you leave the title issue for the moderators to decide, can you point out where the obfuscation is?

Clearly the talking point of the debate is that China is targeting a particular religion. If it were simply that China is targeting all religions, it wouldn't even be a news article because it has been the norm anyway. It's the shift away from the norm which makes the news newsworthy. It's not an innocuous report about China vs Religion, it's about China vs Islam and the official's comment give credence to that. The author wants to say "Islam is being targeted by Chinese officials". Is it not fact that Ramzan has been banned? those found fasting are force fed. Is it not fact that beards have been banned in Xinxiang? Is it not true that Muslim religious preachers have been made to dance and sing songs to enforce China's idea of a tolerant Islam? I'd be happy to supply citations to each one of them, there are unlimited news reports attesting the same, no shortage whatsoever. No need to celebrate on the technicality of a title being modified and construing it as China being a paragon of human rights for Muslims. That is a different issue altogether. No one is going to take China's moral high ground on face value here.

Nope this not targeting a particular religion, but rather wants all religions out of school (barring madrassa:biggrin2.

Not newsworthy then? hmmmm just doesn't suit your taste.

Re.： “Banning" Ramadan, fasting, immam dancing...... I once made it clear in early replies to an Indian cynic, who had a heartbreak over Chinese muslims had to bow to the national flag in mosques. :biggrin2: In that debate, I realized Indians were from another planet, with an entirely different psyche than the "civilized world".

Browse if interested.

Religions are omnipresent... Taoism - which many don't deem as a religion but rather a philosophy - is an open-sourced /loose "religion". Everyone more or less may be affected by Tao (literally 'path'), Yin and Yang. And many historical figures have been deified in the ever expanding complex Taoism system. Buddhism - in a way similar to Taoism, but hoarding lots of dubious wealth and morally challenged. Christianity - of course the fastest growing and far reaching.

But no no to religion in school, no no to some zealots self-enforcing "Halal food regulation" banning pork /alcohol in some areas. No one shall be allowed to erode our secular values = tolerance.

 

[OrangeFlorian]

Islam is a tribal religion or the religion of the ignorant. As it puts so much emphasis on violence (power) it appeals to the uneducated and lowly educated youth the most.

Islam is basically composed of two parties
1. The ignorant warriors of Islam.
2. The Imams and the Emperors who thrive on (1) ignorant warriors.
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They also agree to sex with animals and prepubescent girls

 

[Indx TechStyle]

there're many things worth respecting. I respect u cow worshippers, mice worshippers , sacred activities of all sorts, nd so on.

the bottomline is "don't get into my way" and "give space to each other" so to speak, plus principles of separation of religion from state and politics and keeping it as a PERSONAL matter without messing up with others. for example I will give a middle finger to anyone who plans to sanction kosher or halal.

yes like u pinpointed there're incorrect ideas abt China and Chinese, or bias, as usual. basically Chinese r the most tolerant knowing where the boundary btwn private life and public domain is re. religion. have u ever heard of Chinese launching crusade or jihad? those who did were instantly isolated. instinctively we're immune to all that zeal.

Buddy Buddy, I didn't said anything against China. Yet, teaching religion in government schools is banned in India as well, it still occurs in some parts of India because banning them is named as intolerance in India.
You guys controlled your population as well by two child policy, our Muslim community will bleed us on roads if we tried to impose on them.
On the other hand, our silly green neighbor who kills more Muslims than us annually, always cry about Muslim Right Violation in front of western media over such issues, so we are trying to give your example to them.
I don't see anything bad in it, instead you must feel proud.
Anyway, China ranks last worldwide in importance of religion. We have no doubts on your secularism. We are just defending ourselves against pseudo seculars some how.

I don't say everyone is nice at heart in India. Extremists also exist here (but that's a very small portion of population in percentage). Judging entire India over them isn't right.
Ask to Indians, how many of them are ready to bleed anyone for religion?
Or
How many of Hindus perform religious activities and practices in 21st Century?
I don't believe in God but I have to go with my mother in temple every morning like a formality.
Just a permanent gloom against us is being created.
:biggrin2:
first that rape gloom by British media (yet rape rate of India is one of the lowest in world, at least 8 times lesser than UK. ) and now this intolerance against Islam from our green neighbor(who in fact kills more Muslims).
I don't think we're bashing China anywhere intentionally.
Hope you understand.

being secular (religiously neutral) enhances Chinese strength on the global stage, e.g. China is a strategic partner of all three _ Israel, Saudi and Iran in Mid East. there's a lot to learn from advanced mature leaders like US.

Well, Israel, Saudi Arab and Iran. They are partners of India as well.

 

[amoy]

As Gansu Prov. is in the spotlight of the news --

Dungan Revolt (1862–77)

In the 18th century several prominent Muslim clerics from Gansu studied in Mecca and Yemen under Naqshbandi Sufi teachers. Two different forms of Sufism were brought back to northwest China by two charismatic Hui sheikhs: Khafiya (also spelled Khafiyya or Khufiyah;虎夫耶; Hǔfūyē), associated with Ma Laichi (1681–1766), and the more radical Jahriyya (also spelled Jahriya, Jahariyya, Jahariyah, etc.; 哲赫林耶; Zhéhèlínyē or 哲合忍耶; Zhéhérěnyē), founded by Ma Mingxin (1719?-1781). These coexisted with the more traditional, non-Sufi Sunni practices, centered around local mosques and known as gedimu (qadim, 格底目 or 格迪目). The Khafiya school and non-Sufi gedimu tradition—both tolerated by Qing authorities—were referred to as "Old Teaching" (老教; lǎo jiào), while Jahriya, viewed by authorities as suspect, became known as the "New Teaching" (新教;xīn jiào).

Disagreements between adherents of Khafiya and Jahriya, as well as perceived mismanagement, corruption and the anti-Sufi attitudes of Qing officials, resulted in uprisings by Hui and Salar followers of the New Teaching in 1781 and 1783, but these were promptly suppressed. Hostilities between different groups of Sufis contributed to the violent atmosphere before the Dungan revolt between 1862 and 1877.[16]

The Qing authorities decreed that the Hui rebels who had taken part in violent attacks were merely heretics and not representative of the entire Hui population, just as the heretical White Lotus did not represent all Buddhists.[42] Qing authorities decreed that there were two different Muslim sects, the "old" religion and "new" religion. The new were heretics and deviated from Islam in the same way that the White Lotus deviated from Buddhism and Daoism, and stated its intention to inform the Hui community that it was aware that the original Islamic religion was one united sect before the advent of new "heretics", saying they would separate Muslim rebels by which sect they belonged to.[43]

Chinese are "religion savvy" wary of disasters spelled by sectarian fights.
Kansu = Gansu

25th Januarv, 1891. Temple Erected To Those Killed In The Mohammedan Rebellion. Wei Kuang-tao, acting Governor of Kansu and the New Dominion, reports the erection of a temple in the provincial capital of Kansu to the memory of those killed in the Mohammedan rebellion, consisting of Manchus, Chinese, officials, gentry, soldiers, peasants, matrons and maidens massacred in Songaria and Kashgaria, —the two provinces known as the "New Dominion,"—and amounting to 24,838 souls. The temple has been erected at the expense of Liu Chin-t'ang (Governor of Kansu

Quoting Wiki doesn't mean full consent to the author's viewpoints, especially this >>

The Dungan Revolt by the Hui occurred because of racial antagonism and class warfare, not purely religious strife as is sometimes mistakenly assumed.[5]

 

[sorcerer]

China "Rescues" Muslim Children from Madrassas


China is now conducting regular sweeps to “rescue” children from Muslim madrassas (religious schools) inXinjiang, a remote Western province of the country with a heavy Muslim population. Last month officials removed 82 children from such schools; in recent days 190 more children have been taken, according to Reuters. The crackdown on madrassas is part of a larger assault on what Reuters calls the three illegals: “illegal publicity materials, illegal religious activities, and illegal religious teaching.” More:

Children in Xinjiang are prohibited by the government from attending madrassas, prompting many parents who wish to provide a religious education to use underground schools.

Exiled Uighur groups and human rights activists say the government’s repressive policies in Xinjiang, including controls on Islam, have provoked unrest, a claim Beijing denies.

Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress, said that he feared more people would end up being caught up in the dragnet.

It’s not quite clear from the Reuters story or in the original Chinese accounts what “rescuing” means—whether it just means they were forcibly placed in other schools, or something more extreme like taken away from their parents. But either way, these sweeps are another episode in China’s long, fraught relationship with the western provinces. Like the attempt to control and limit the growth of its Christian population, China’s struggle with its Muslim population in Xinjiang is a sign it is getting increasingly aggressive in its campaign to quash dissent and suppress minority traditions into a more manageable state.

The Muslim question in Xinjiang is a bit different than the Christian question, tied up as it is with China’s anti-terrorism policies, but the strategy isn’t likely to work for Muslims or for Christians. That doesn’t mean Beijing won’t keep trying.

 

[Screambowl]

The muslims in china eat pork ...... it is confirmed.