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Afghanistan is not the only route to CAR as one would know if one ever saw an Atlas.

India has good relations with Iran and will use its infrastructure to connect with CAR.

Why do you think India has constructed the Chabahar port. Double purpose. Use the Afghan corridor as also have the alternate through Iran.

But let me help those who have not seen an Atlas.






India's access to CAR has never been an issue from Pakustan's pov; afterall, it's a huge market waiting to be exploited.
It's Afghanistan we care about and the less India is involved, the better for us and Ghani has been very helpful sofar.

In order to be able to exploit Iranian routes to CAR, the country needs to get out of international isolation. It's a very slow process and would take a very long time and most probably a regime change in Iran.
 

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Would be, should be, could be....the fact remains that Southern Afghanistan is still Taleban controlled and it will remain a Taleban stronghold for foreseeable future.

China is also keen to take over the Chahbahar port and link it with Gwadar. If that happens, India can say good bye to CAR. :)
I don't think China will take over Chahabahar port.
 

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India's access to CAR has never been an issue from Pakustan's pov; afterall, it's a huge market waiting to be exploited.
It's Afghanistan we care about and the less India is involved, the better for us and Ghani has been very helpful sofar.

In order to be able to exploit Iranian routes to CAR, the country needs to get out of international isolation. It's a very slow process and would take a very long time and most probably a regime change in Iran.
India's soft power 'presence' in Afghanistan will always be there since Afghans are there in India doing petty business or in schools or come for medical treatment. And because of Bollywood.

India has more to offer Afghanistan than Pakistan, which has only exported terrorists. I wonder if Afghans want terrorists.

Iran maybe in international isolation. I think you mean western isolation. But India is working with Iran in its oil exploration and has increased the oil and gas imports into India. The US has used India as a conduit for their discussions.

@sriniva_K Indias so called long term initiative hinges on one Iranian port. Without Chahabar u have no access to the landlocked Afghan and CAR at large.

For the time being Iran feels it better to partner with India in the adventure hence the corridor Is open for India to the landlocked pit. However gradually Iran will come to see it not to its own advantage to get an extra player on board. Iran along with powers on the periphery r enough to handle it and China (Iran's top Bhai) is known at odds with India. On the other hand India only adds to the competition for resources while adding no value to the security! What India can do for afghan is replaceable, such as hardware software and trainings for ANA?! At the point the only entry to CAR may be tightened for India.

To be or not to be, that is a question.
You make a cardinal mistake.

India is the bridge to normalising relations with the US.

China is nowhere in the picture.

Would be, should be, could be....the fact remains that Southern Afghanistan is still Taleban controlled and it will remain a Taleban stronghold for foreseeable future.

China is also keen to take over the Chahbahar port and link it with Gwadar. If that happens, India can say good bye to CAR. :)
China is keen to take over the world, but what of it.

What makes you feel that China will get Chahbahar port.

Pakistan may have sold its soul to China by gifting Gwadar but will Iran sell its soul for a piece of gold?
 
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India's access to CAR has never been an issue from Pakustan's pov; afterall, it's a huge market waiting to be exploited.
It's Afghanistan we care about and the less India is involved, the better for us and Ghani has been very helpful sofar.

In order to be able to exploit Iranian routes to CAR, the country needs to get out of international isolation. It's a very slow process and would take a very long time and most probably a regime change in Iran.
India's soft power 'presence' in Afghanistan will always be there since Afghans are there in India doing petty business or in schools or come for medical treatment. And because of Bollywood.

India has more to offer Afghanistan than Pakistan, which has only exported terrorists. I wonder if Afghans want terrorists.

Iran maybe in international isolation. I think you mean western isolation. But India is working with Iran in its oil exploration and has increased the oil and gas imports into India. The US has used India as a conduit for their discussions.
 

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Security remains the toughest challenge for landlocked Afghanistan. If muslim neighbors Iran and Pakistan are reluctant to allow Afghani drivers on their soil or to build railway links with major Afghan cities, one can not blame China to be cautious with the Silk Route.
The Chinese silk route which was originally supposed to be on the west of the country is now towards east is this true? i mean instead of Balochistan & KP it is now passing thru punjab and sindh, is this true.
 

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The Chinese silk route which was originally supposed to be on the west of the country is now towards east is this true? i mean instead of Balochistan & KP it is now passing thru punjab and sindh, is this true.
Yes it has been redesigned on Chinese request and will only bypass KPK and connect to Gwadar via Karachi.
Bypassing KPK means shifting the road/rail/pipeline link through the much safer Punjab-Sindh territory and avoid large parts of KPK and interior Balochistan.
 

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India's soft power 'presence' in Afghanistan will always be there since Afghans are there in India doing petty business or in schools or come for medical treatment. And because of Bollywood.
There is nothing in India that investment giant China cannot offer to Afghanistan. Unlike with India, Afghanistan shares a border with China and she's a neighbor.

India has more to offer Afghanistan than Pakistan, which has only exported terrorists. I wonder if Afghans want terrorists.
India is a wolf in sheep's clothes exploiting Afghanistan and fighting her own proxy war. Ghani is a much wiser man than Karzai who allowed India to use his soil for RAW terrorist activities.
I wonder if Afghanistan wants more Indian RAW spies and terrorists.

Iran maybe in international isolation. I think you mean western isolation. But India is working with Iran in its oil exploration and has increased the oil and gas imports into India. The US has used India as a conduit for their discussions.
China too is present there with much more money to invest and can easily expand her influence as both Iran and Afghanistan will join the SCO this year.

Indian foeign policy is too weak and her wallet too small to compete with a giant like China.
 

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It appears that China recognises Baluchistan separatism as real, while Pakistan pretends it does not exist.

However, Gwadar still continues to be a part of Baluchistan.
 

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There is nothing in India that investment giant China cannot offer to Afghanistan. Unlike with India, Afghanistan shares a border with China and she's a neighbor.
That is why they are not extending the Silk Route to Afghanistan.

Afghans maybe anything, but their pride if slighted is not forgotten for ages.

China shares it border at Wakhan, and China is scared to tread even there.



India is a wolf in sheep's clothes exploiting Afghanistan and fighting her own proxy war. Ghani is a much wiser man than Karzai who allowed India to use his soil for RAW terrorist activities.
I wonder if Afghanistan wants more Indian RAW spies and terrorists.
Whatever.

But Pakistan is known jackal/ hyena (scavenger) and Ghani knows that well.

You rejoice with every Afghan dead killed by your trained terrorists and the world knows that.

RAW maybe an issue with Pakistan, but since when Afghanistan was a part of Pakistan, even if Pakistan dreams of it being a part?



China too is present there with much more money to invest and can easily expand her influence as both Iran and Afghanistan will join the SCO this year.

Indian foeign policy is too weak and her wallet too small to compete with a giant like China.
China has a wallet. But it is also known to be a wily fox. People are educated these days and they know of China's exploits in Africa.

India's foreign policy WAS weak, but today?

Take a second guess.
 
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There is nothing in India that investment giant China cannot offer to Afghanistan. Unlike with India, Afghanistan shares a border with China and she's a neighbor.



India is a wolf in sheep's clothes exploiting Afghanistan and fighting her own proxy war. Ghani is a much wiser man than Karzai who allowed India to use his soil for RAW terrorist activities.
I wonder if Afghanistan wants more Indian RAW spies and terrorists.



China too is present there with much more money to invest and can easily expand her influence as both Iran and Afghanistan will join the SCO this year.

Indian foeign policy is too weak and her wallet too small to compete with a giant like China.
India has a Northern Alliance as an asset which China has not...
 

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IN 2015, FOCUS ON CENTRAL ASIA

Narendra Modi deserves full credit for re-invigorating Indian diplomacy in the seven months he has been in power. However, Central Asia, crucial for India's energy security, has missed his attention. In the new year, his Government must improve India's standing in that region

While only time will tell the kind of influence the Modi Government will have on Indian foreign policy, there is no denying that this year has been a turning point. The Prime Minister has infused life into India diplomacy and his foreign trips, especially have helped reinvigorate Brand India. In the seven months that Mr Modi has been Prime Minister, he has placed a surprisingly significant amount of emphasis on his foreign policy. He has re-focussed our efforts in South Asia, earned plaudits for India at multilateral forums and hosted several world leaders.

However, the one area that is yet to catch his attention is Central Asia. While this is not surprising as the region has hardly ever been a foreign policy priority, it should not be relegated to inconsequence for long. India's application for membership to the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a powerful regional forum, is a step in the right direction but a lot more needs to be done.

India lags behind not just China but all other major players in the region — definitely the US and Russia but also Iran and Turkey. This is despite the fact that India has civilisational ties with central Asia that go back centuries; more recently, New Delhi has also made a conscious effort towards strengthening its presence in that region.

The Government of India's official Connect Central Asia policy was unveiled by former Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahamed at the India-Central Asia Dialogue in the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek in June 2012. More than two year later, the policy remains more aspirational than it is in the actual.

Yet, a strong presence in central Asia is important for India for two key factors: Energy security and military security. In the first case, India currently receives almost all of its oil and gas from West Asia but given how volatile that region can be, it is a good idea to look for other suppliers. Moreover, as the country's energy demands continue to grow, New Delhi has no choice but to tap into other sources. In this context, energy-rich and proximate Central Asia is best positioned to become India's next big oil and gas supplier.

China faces much the same challenges (growing economy, growing population) — except that it seems to have responded to them much better, as is evident from the deep inroads that it has already made into the Central Asian energy market. Beijing's two trillion-dollar-strong foreign exchange reserves and a ruthlessly efficient Government not encumbered by the demands of democracy, have meant it has consistently managed to out-bid New Delhi in oil deals not just in Central Asia but across the world. For example, just weeks before the dialogue in Beijing, India lost to China the world's largest oil find in five decades — the giant Kashagan oilfield in Kazakhstan.

In November 2012, India's state-run ONGC Videsh Limited had struck a deal with America's ConocoPhillips to buy the latter's 8.4 per cent stake in Kashagan for five billion dollars. However, the deal fell through in July 2013 when the Kazakh Government itself stepped in and informed ConocoPhillips that its own national oil company, KazMunaiGaz, will buy the American company's stake for the same amount. Kazakh law allows the Government certain pre-emption rights as a result of which it has the authority to buy any oil asset for sale in the country at the price agreed on by the buyer and seller. KazMunaiGaz will now sell that stake to China National Petroleum Corp for a reported $5.3-5.4 billion.

But China is only one of India's problems in Central Asia. What has most significantly limited New Delhi's diplomatic efforts in that region is a stubborn Pakistan which has wholly refused India overland access to Central Asia, through Afghanistan. Ideally this would have been the shortest route for India; however, that is not to be — one of the big reasons why the ambitious Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India oil pipeline project, for example, has been a non-starter.

Consequently, New Delhi has had to look for new routes that bypass Pakistan altogether. Towards that end, the North-South Transportation Corridor which connects India to the Central Asian region through Iran was envisaged as a game-changer. Initiated in 2003, this project aims to connect the port in Mumbai to the Iranian ports of Chabahar and Bandar Abbas through maritime transport, and then develop road and rail networks linking these two ports with Afghanistan and other Central Asian Republics.

Some initial progress was made in this regard — India's Border Road Organisation invested $136 million to set up a road link from Zaranj to Delaran which was inaugurated in 2009. This 215km long road is a crucial part of what is known as Afghanistan's garland road network that goes around the country connecting Herat to Kabul via Mazar-e-Sharif and Kandahar. But this road link apart, the North-South Transportation Corridor has mostly been gathering dust for a decade now.

In the meantime, the Chinese have aggressively built similar road and rail networks penetrating deep into the heart of Central Asian Region. The Karakoram Highway, which is under-construction in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and stands a direct threat to India's security interests in that region, is also essentially an extension of this plan, and so is the Gwadar port in Pakistan that is being developed as a counter-balance to the Chabahar port in Iran, located less than 200km away.

This brings us to military-security aspect of India-Central Asia dynamic. As of now, India's military footprint in that region is next to nothing. New Delhi had sought to shore up its prospects by taking over the Ayni air base in Tajikistan which would have given tremendous strategic depth in the region but its plans have most definitely been thwarted by Russia, the big brother in the region. India began renovating the Ayni air-field, located just outside the Tajik capital of Dushanbe, in 2004 and up until the end of 2010, Indian engineers were still working there. However, since then the Tajik Government which depends considerably on Moscow for financial aid, seems to have made clear that it will only let Russia use the air-base.

India's other military assets in the region include a military hospital in Farkhor, also in Tajikistan. Set up in 2001 to treat Northern Alliance members fighting the Taliban, it was shut down after the US removed the militant group from power. But in recent years, there have been talks of re-opening that field hospital.

The India-Tajik relationship is as far as India's military presence goes in that region. And while there have been some positive indications of improving that footprint, it is unlikely to change significantly in the near future. Not only because China and Pakistan will do all that they can to limit India's presence but also because Russia will probably not go all out to support India. The US is the only country which has unequivocally stated that it would like India to emerge as its regional partner (this explains Russia's reluctance) especially post the 2014 Afghan pullout.

India remains an important player in its New Silk Road project that hopes to integrate the Afghan economy into that of Central and South Asia. But with America's diminished clout at this point (the NSR project has been all but discarded), it is unclear how far Washington, DC will be able to help. In other words, India is on its own.

In 2015, focus on Central Asia

India has plans to make inroads and make its foot prints in C.Asia.
 

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India has a Northern Alliance as an asset which China has not...
Ghani's decision to share power with Abdullah is meant to unite Afghanistan hence gain more support of NA.
Afghanistan's political climate is changing fast, she is no longer a client state like she was under the US/India puppet Karzai.
 

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The MOS Home has stated that Pakistan is not a strategic threat and it should be ignored as redundant to India's policies.

Ghani's decision to share power with Abdullah is meant to unite Afghanistan hence gain more support of NA.
Afghanistan's political climate is changing fast, she is no longer a client state like she was under the US/India puppet Karzai.
Talking of client State, it is Pakistan which is the client state of the US, China and Saudi Arabia.

Afghanistn was never a client state of India, but an equal partner. We did not train and supply terrorists to destroy the fabric of Afghanistan. Pakistan did and still does.

Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai is US educated and married Rula Saade Ghani who was born in a Lebanese Christian family. He was with the World Bank.

Must I say more to shatter your fantasy laced dream?
 
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Ghani's decision to share power with Abdullah is meant to unite Afghanistan hence gain more support of NA.
Afghanistan's political climate is changing fast, she is no longer a client state like she was under the US/India puppet Karzai.
If what your are saying is true than it is bad news for Pakistan... I mean Ghani being no client state to Pakistan... as Pakistan is too eager to think...

You have no idea on the level of hate for Pakistan from Uzbeks and Tajiks... even Pastuns hate you...

If Ghani tries to isolate NA... the Afghanistan will split... Ghani knows very well.. So NA will have a big say in Ghani's foreign policy...
 
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India has a Northern Alliance as an asset which China has not...
Pakistanis are working on it, or at least trying their luck on it with usual Muslim Bhai Bhai diplomacy.

But there are no free lunches, as the Americans say. At the end of the day Pakistan will be spending money to earn clout in Afghanistan. Pakistanis with their disparaging attitudes have been calling Afghanistan as graveyard of empires but foolishly they do not count themselves in those nations. India has to just make sure that Pakistan spend money on Afghanistan and then gradually make it a costly adventure.

Many people have missed that part; post Peshawar school attack the Pakistani COAS ran like a road runner towards Afghanistan. Pakistanis gave it a different spin as Afghanistan is now in their pocket but it was nothing less than begging Afghans to help them out. They have just taught Afghans how they can hold Pakistan from its collars.
 

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If what your are saying is true than it is bad news for Pakistan... I mean Ghani being no client state to Pakistan... as Pakistan is too eager to think...

You have no idea on the level of hate for Pakistan from Uzbeks and Tajiks... even Pastuns hate you...

If Ghani tries to isolate NA... the Afghanistan will split... Ghani knows very well.. So NA will have a big say in Ghani's foreign policy...
Ghani-Abdullah partnership will reshape Afghan politics as both a nationalists who put Afghanistan first. It does not matter who hates whom more, it's the Afghan foreign policy that will make the difference. If you think Tajik/Uzbek/Pakhtoon hate Pakistan only then talk to the Afghani hindus who live in fear in Kabul and are treated really bad.

Sikhs And Hindus Flee Afghanistan As NATO Pulls Back
 

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Ghani or Ahmedzai is totally a western product but with a sincere empathy to uplift Afghanistan from the terror morass that it has sunk to.

He will ensure that the malcontent are curbed and Afghans are on their way to international brotherhood on equal terms.

Pakistan has a hope he shall be their puppet.

Pakistan has actually nothing to offer, but terrorism.

Ghani-Abdullah partnership will reshape Afghan politics as both a nationalists who put Afghanistan first. It does not matter who hates whom more, it's the Afghan foreign policy that will make the difference. If you think Tajik/Uzbek/Pakhtoon hate Pakistan only then talk to the Afghani hindus who live in fear in Kabul and are treated really bad.

Sikhs And Hindus Flee Afghanistan As NATO Pulls Back
They are well aware how 'lovingly' you treat the Afghans, especially the Haziras. ;)

Haji Mohammad Mohaqiq, the political leader of the Hazara in Afghanistan, has also expressed solidarity with the Hazara community in Quetta. The persecutions have been documented by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Asian Human Rights Commission, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.

As far as the Sikh and Hindus in Afghanistan, they live in fear, not of the Afghans, but of the Pakistan abetted and sponsored terrorists. That is the difference. The Sikhs in NWFP have also been persecuted by Pak sponsored terrorists.

In Europe, they are out to nab the Islamic fundamentalist elements and you all have brought it on to yourself with your Pakistani foolishness. Because of Pakistan acting as the 'thanedar of Islam and being the womb of terrorism, Islam has got a bad name.

Before Pakistan made terrorism a cottage industry, who was against Islam? All lived in peace.

Food for your thought.
 
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Ghani or Ahmedzai is totally a western product but with a sincere empathy to uplift Afghanistan from the terror morass that it has sunk to.

He will ensure that the malcontent are curbed and Afghans are on their way to international brotherhood on equal terms.

Pakistan has a hope he shall be their puppet.

Pakistan has actually nothing to offer, but terrorism.



They are well aware how 'lovingly' you treat the Afghans, especially the Haziras. ;)

Haji Mohammad Mohaqiq, the political leader of the Hazara in Afghanistan, has also expressed solidarity with the Hazara community in Quetta. The persecutions have been documented by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Asian Human Rights Commission, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.
Ignorant of what actually is happening under Raheel Shareef at our western borders and with Afghanistan, I donot expect you to think rationally. Continue with your cheap shots, they will only influence the weak minded trolls here. I am not interested in irrational comments of yours.
 

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Ignorant of what actually is happening under Raheel Shareef at our western borders and with Afghanistan, I donot expect you to think rationally. Continue with your cheap shots, they will only influence the weak minded trolls here. I am not interested in irrational comments of yours.
What happened? Sweet fanny adams. Read and then talk. Killing alone does not indicate anything.

Has the insurgency in Pakistan waned?

From the Pakistani media:





I am not irrational. Your pink clouded delusion makes your mind fuzzy and silly.

You take refuge in Europe. Return to Pakistan and see the failed State that requires to stay afloat with US, China and Saudi aid.

Here it is about your hero, Imran Khan the Taliban lover

Imran Khan booed at terror attack school
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article4323381.ece

Pakistan is in a schizophrenic state of health.

And you wax eloquence of Pakistan from foreign shores.

If indeed you feel Pakistan has come of age, then return and do some service for Pakistan.
 
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I am not irrational. Your pink clouded delusion makes your mind fuzzy and silly.

You take refuge in Europe. Return to Pakistan and see the failed State that requires to stay afloat with US, China and Saudi aid.
I rest my case with this troll post. :wave:
 

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