China red-flags India's entry into NSG, may push for Pakistan

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China red-flags India's entry into NSG, may push for Pakistan - The Times of India

China on Monday reacted coldly to strong indications that the United States would back India for a membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, with the Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying cautioning that any such move "requires very careful consideration from all member countries".

"We support the group carrying out discussions on admitting new members, and at the same time we encourage India to take next steps to satisfy the relevant standards of the group," Hua said, indicating India should first accept the Non-Proliferation Treaty before aspiring for a place in the NSG. NSG controls almost all international nuclear trade; its membership enables countries to freely use technology and nuclear material from other nations.

The spokeswoman's statement revealed serious differences between the perceptions of the Chinese government and US President Barack Obama, who has backed India's case during his ongoing visit to New Delhi.

Hua also said the issue is of the 48-member NSG "admitting new members" instead of confining the debate to India. Observers here believe China, which has helped Pakistan build two nuclear power plants, would lobby for a seat for Islamabad in the NSG if the US pushes for India.

China's opposition could hurt India's chances of joining the NSG because many of its members believe that acceptance of NPT — an international treaty that prevents signatories from acquiring nuclear weapons — is an essential prerequisite. The United States and Britain have backed India regardless. "We believe that such (an) inclusion should be conducive to the integrity and effectiveness of the regime and decision should be made on consensus. We notice India's commitment to relevant issues," Hua said, suggesting China seems to think India does not meet all the conditions for a seat in the NSG.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had on Sunday said President Obama has assured him of strong US efforts in support of India's full membership of the four international export control regimes at the earliest, and indication of US backing for NSG membership. China is emerging as a major exporter of nuclear technology and would want to control NSG's membership. By saying that the "decision should be made on consensus", it has indicated it will play an active role in NSG's decision making on India's case.
the Pak bit seems like a joke as no other country would accept it, just seems like posturing.
 

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just wait and watch India will crash ram into the NSG group. and Chinese should start taking Iodised salt, cause if India cant make it into NSG then entry of Pakistan can't be even dreamed of.
 

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Chinese have already started feeling a hot sensation at their back side and that has come a bit too early, to my expectation...

Why is Chinese so nervous so early? :) You have just lost one of the pearls [read Sri Lanka] from your string of pearls and more to come for sure"¦

China has pissed off a man like Modi who was most favourable to China some 8 months back... Now enjoy the consequence...
 

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With all the military might the China farts from time to time...why should they feel threatened?
Pakistan...of all countries these ass people want to bring in a failed terrorist state Pakistan into the group. That itself shows the level of political maturity of China.
Ohh...This must be another deception!!! [If you are Chinese, you will defenitely fail to notice the Sarcasm]
 

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China responded cautiously regarding the entry of India into NSG group. China never said it rejects the NSG membership for India.

Indian media is going ballistic when it comes to China. There is no need for eye catchy headlines promoting rivalry between the two countries.
Not really, see this from 2013, a report from an NSG meeting:
China is learnt to have questioned India's membership proposal before the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on grounds that an exception should not be made for just one country. In a clear attempt to build a case for Pakistan too, China has told the 46-member grouping that all potential candidates must be considered for membership.

According to details that have emerged from the June 23-24 meeting of the NSG at Noordwijk in the Netherlands, there was fair amount of concern expressed by many members over considering India's membership given that it is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Some countries also urged the US and other countries like France and UK, which were backing India's case, to reassess the impact this may have on the non-proliferation regime.

However, it was China that took a totally different line and asked for rules of membership to be framed for all potential candidates than make an exception for India. Pakistan and Israel are the only remaining two nuclear-enabled countries that have not signed the NPT and clearly, sources said, the Chinese emphasis was aimed at benefiting Islamabad. In the end, such a move would end up complicating India's case.

On the other hand, sources pointed out that Beijing has in the past backed a criteria-based approach within the NSG rather than granting country-specific exemptions. To that extent, this is being seen as a somewhat consistent position.

The US had agreed to pilot India's membership to the four sensitive technologies export control regimes including the NSG which has the most stringent controls. This commitment was confirmed through the Indo-US joint statement during US President Barack Obama's visit to India.

While the US has circulated a non-paper among member countries and India too has conducted its own outreach effort, the roadblocks could be a quite a few with China making its intention uncharacteristically clear quite early in the process.
China red flags India move to join NSG - Indian Express

I think they want to make sure India signs the NPT, and make sure that only "responsible powers" join. (yes China talking about being responsible :lol:). I think they might be worried about us arming someone like the Vietnamese with nukes, even though Vietnam is nowhere near Pakistan in terms of craziness.
 

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With Obama in India, China Hosts Pakistan's Army Chief

While U.S. President Barack Obama watched India's Republic Day parade as the chief guest, China welcomed Pakistan's army chief, General Raheel Sharif, to Beijing for talks
. While in the Chinese capital, Sharif met with General Qi Jianguo, deputy chief of the PLA General Staff, General Fan Changlong, vice chairman of China's central Military Commission, and Yu Zhengsheng, the chairman of China's top political advisory body, the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).

The main focus of the visit was on Pakistan's anti-terrorism efforts. Pakistan launched a major counter-terrorism operation, code-named "Zarb-e-Azb", last summer. The military offensive has reportedly killed in part targeted terrorists affiliated with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a radical group that seeks to create an independent state out of China's Xinjiang province. China, which grew increasingly worried about Pakistan's security situation as terrorist attacks on Chinese soil escalated last year, applauded the operation. However, concerns about Pakistani security continue to dog China, both due to worries about stability in Xinjiang and because of the way instability hinders bilateral economic cooperation, including plans for a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

In the wake of a deadly attack at a Peshawar school, Pakistan's government promised to double down on its efforts to eradicate terrorism within its borders. During his trip to China, Sharif was expected to brief his Chinese counterparts on Islamabad's progress in that respect, according to Pakistani media. Sharif was also set to discuss general security and defense cooperation issues with China.

The director-general of Pakistan's ISPR summarized Sharif's trip in a series of tweets sent on Monday. According to the tweets, Gen. Fan was highly complimentary of Pakistan's anti-terrorism efforts, calling Operation Zarb-e-Azb "decisive, bold, [a] hard blow [for] terrorists, [and] indiscriminate." Pakistan has come under fire by some critics for continuing to employ a double-standard when it comes to fighting against terrorism, despite promises from Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif that Pakistan will not draw a distinction "between good and bad Taliban." Fan's description of Zarb-e-Azb as "indiscriminate" will be much appreciated by Pakistan's military.

During Sharif's stay, his Chinese counterparts uniformly offered China's full support for Pakistan anti-terrorism operations. "China will, as always, give firm support to Pakistan's efforts to combat terrorism," Xinhua quoted Fan as saying. In particular, ISPR said Sharif and his Chinese counterparts decided to enhance long-term defense collaboration, security and counter-terrorism cooperation, intelligence sharing, and training exchanges. All of Sharif's meetings also emphasized the close, lasting friendship between China and Pakistan, with officials employing the usual rhetoric that the two countries are "iron brothers" and "all-weather friends." [ IRON BROTHERS?
:pound:]

The symbolism of China and Pakistan renewing their friendship while India and the U.S. enjoyed a love-fest was not lost on outsider observers. China's close historical relationship with Pakistan has long been a stumbling block for closer China-India ties. With Modi injecting new energy into the India-U.S. relationship, China may have been reminding India that Beijing also has other friends active in the region.

Yet Chinese media tried to downplay any sense that it felt threatened by Obama's visit to India. "It is hoped that the development of U.S.-India relations will help promote mutual trust and cooperation among countries in the region, and safeguard peace, stability and prosperity of the region as well," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said in Monday's press conference. A Xinhua article confidently argued that the Obama-Modi meeting "is not expected to significantly impact the longstanding China-India relations."

An op-ed in Global Times rejected the very idea that India and China are at odds. "This fixed pattern of thinking was created and hyped up by the West, which, with ulterior motives, regards the 'Chinese dragon' and the 'Indian elephant' as natural rivals," the piece argued. Still, the commentary also warned that India "is sliding into" the Western trap of a "zero-sum game" between China and India. Both Xinhua and Global Times pointedly argued that India needs China to complete its own development goals. China's embrace of Pakistan may be a subtle reminder that India should take care not to distance itself too far from Beijing.:pound:


With Obama in India, China Hosts Pakistan's Army Chief | The Diplomat
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Chinese embracing a IRON BROTHER in suicide vest to counter progress in India . Thats some logic!!!
 

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India entry will be made difficult and for good reason ... no one ought to follow in its footsteps in the same way. India is a special case and because of its stature, commitment and ability. Good things also take time.
 

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BEIJING: China on Monday extended conditional support for India's Nuclear Suppliers Group membership bid but said "prudence and caution" needs to be exercised on the issue, a day after US President Barack Obama backed India's inclusion into the elite 48-member body.

"We believe that such (an) inclusion should be conducive to the integrity and effectiveness of the regime and decision should be made on consensus. We notice India's commitment to relevant issues," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said at a media briefing.

Caution needs to be exercised on India's NSG inclusion: China - The Times of India

USA or China will work for their own benefits, If Pakistan is included in NSG then Pakistan is free to get reactors from any country including Russia. At the moment Chinese are venturing into Pakistan and USA is waiting to tap huge market in India. I think after the nuke agreements and considerable business from India USA will push forward for NSG membership for India.

Not really, see this from 2013, a report from an NSG meeting:

China red flags India move to join NSG - Indian Express

I think they want to make sure India signs the NPT, and make sure that only "responsible powers" join. (yes China talking about being responsible :lol:). I think they might be worried about us arming someone like the Vietnamese with nukes, even though Vietnam is nowhere near Pakistan in terms of craziness.
 
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Why are Chinese threatened by India's nsg entry? Because energy is the key
To India's economic growth.
 

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Why are Chinese threatened by India's nsg entry? Because energy is the key
To India's economic growth.
China joined the NSG after signing the NPT and CTBT, just like all the existing membes. India has signed neither of them. They don't fear India, they're just opposed to double standards applied by some countries.
 
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If it is all covered, what is holding you back from officialy signing these treaties?
What if India conducts new nuclear tests? Are there any guarantess that she won't risk such endeavour?
Deal is completed it doesn't make a difference if Chinese put their two cents in.
The holdup was a nuclear liability guarantee. India wanted to prevent any tragedy like
Bhopal from happening. Russia and France Have certain number of reactors agreed and USA and japan have a set number. Australia is supplying the uranium
The delay was mostly because of this liability.


http://www.livemint.com/Politics/rs...cuss-ways-to-operationalize-nuclear-deal.html
 

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Deal is completed it doesn't make a difference if Chinese put their two cents in.
The holdup was a nuclear liability guarantee. India wanted to prevent any tragedy like
Bhopal from happening. Russia and France Have certain number of reactors agreed and USA and japan have a set number. Australia is supplying the uranium
The delay was mostly because of this liability.


India, US discuss ways to operationalize nuclear deal - Livemint
This is not the answer to my question Sir. If all the treaties are covered, why is India reluctant to sign the NPT and CTBT?

And the liability was not the major issue, it was the US' demand to keep track of all foreign nuclear purchases, their use and movement. I believe US waived it now.
 
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This is not the answer to my question Sir. If all the treaties are covered, why is India reluctant to sign the NPT and CTBT?

And the liability was not the major issue, it was the US' demand to keep track of all foreign nuclear purchases, their use and movement. I believe US waived it now.
IMO you will see india sign these after/during entry in nsg.
 

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IMO you will see india sign these after/during entry in nsg.
If India does so, Pakistan will follow suit and China will have no problem welcoming India into the NSG and push for Pakistan's entry too.

China didnot oppose the 123 agreement, it was the media which hyped like it is doing now with the current nuclear deal.
 
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If India does so, Pakistan will follow suit and China will have no problem welcoming India into the NSG and push for Pakistan's entry too.

China didnot oppose the 123 agreement, it was the media which hyped like it is doing now with the current nuclear deal.
Almost all elements of NPT ,ctbt and FMCT are incorporated in india us nuclear deal and
Individual nuclear deals with other nations. Whatever is left is. Nothing more than bureaucracy
Politics and formality.
 
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