China preventing UN action on Libya

[redragon]

Don't worry, we have no chinese workers out there. After the conflict is over, no matter who is the winner, I think China would figure out how to enforce the contract.

Guess who is getting oil from Iraq and Copper from Afganistan without send in a single soldier and enjoying US & NATO military protection?

 

[pmaitra]

Guess who is getting oil from Iraq and Copper from Afganistan without send in a single soldier and enjoying US & NATO military protection?

Yeah, one has to concede that was a very smart move by PRC.

 

[pmaitra]

Russia regrets UN-backed armed intervention in Libya

Russia regrets UN-backed armed intervention in Libya

AFP | Mar 20, 2011; Times of India

MOSCOW: Russia regrets the armed intervention by foreign forces in Libya, foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement on Saturday.

"In Moscow we regret this armed intervention within UN resolution 1973 which was adopted in haste," he said.

The statement also called for a ceasefire in the north African country as soon as possible.

"We are convinced that bloodshed must be quickly stopped and that Libyans must talk to each other if the internal conflict in Libya is to be settled permanently," said Lukashevich.

A French war plane earlier Saturday opened fire on a vehicle in Libya as it enforced a UN resolution calling for a no-fly zone and protection of rebels from Gaddafi's forces.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...intervention-in-Libya/articleshow/7745631.cms

 

[pmaitra]

Libya assault: UN's calculated gamble

Libya assault: UN's calculated gamble

French forces have already flown a mission over Libya

By Caroline Wyatt
Defence correspondent, BBC News
19 March 2011

Some of the earliest key targets in the UN-backed assault on Libya are likely to be Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's command and control capabilities, as well as his air defences, which could still pose a threat to foreign aircraft.

British Prime Minister David Cameron has said that British forces are already in action in the Libya operation, which is codenamed Operation Ellamy in the UK (the Americans are calling it Odyssey Dawn).

At their home bases in the UK, Tornado GR4 ground attack aircraft and Typhoons for the air-to-air attack role are well prepared for what is to come.

British warships are already off the coast in Libya to ensure the arms embargo is respected.

Submarines have also been deployed for this mission, while experts say they would expect special forces to be in Libya already, having prepared the ground and assessed targets - their role, to send back vital information to those preparing and conducting the strikes from the skies or the seas.

The French have already bombed Libyan tanks and jeeps.

Demoralising Gaddafi's forces

The main British contribution to this coalition are fighter jets, Sentinel R1 and Nimrod R1 reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft (AWACs) to give vital information about what's happening on the ground, plus VC10 tanker planes for air-to-air-refuelling.

As part of the broad coalition, the US is also helping to remove the threat from Libya's air defences with sea-launched missiles.

However, commanders will face tough decisions on what to target in the coming hours and days, so accurate intelligence from the ground is essential.

While the hi-tech jets provided by France, the UK, Denmark, Norway, Canada and others should be able to dominate the skies easily, the mission to protect Libya's civilians runs a host of risks - from the dangers faced by pilots involved in the bombing raids, to the danger of civilian casualties if something goes wrong, especially with Col Gaddafi's forces so close to Benghazi.

For the allies in the air, it is a calculated gamble. The UN resolution is wide-ranging, giving the coalition leeway not just to disable Col Gaddafi's air defences but also target Libyan ground forces.

The hope is that this international show of strength from the air will demoralise his forces rapidly, and encourage them to flee or defect.

At the very least, his ground forces will need to be pushed back from Benghazi and other rebel areas, if civilians are to be protected from attack. The Libyan forces loyal to Col Gaddafi already have very stretched supply lines across the open desert, which will be vulnerable to attack.

But while the coalition in the air has a huge array of resources, those taking part are all too aware that their enormous firepower must be used carefully to ensure they do not endanger the very people the allies are there to protect.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12797435

 

[Armand2REP]

Don't worry, we have no chinese workers out there. After the conflict is over, no matter who is the winner, I think China would figure out how to enforce the contract.

Who gets what? I don't see Libyans waving any Chinese flags...

 

[redragon]

Who gets what? I don't see Libyans waving any Chinese flags...

Are you sure these bums have saying on who gets the good deal?? be patience, it's just unfolded, we will see who is the winner. One thing for sure though, these bums in pictures will be losers no matter who wins.

 

[pmaitra]

Who gets what? I don't see Libyans waving any Chinese flags...

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Get over it bud!

While the Brits prepare to wage war on Gaddafi, British news media, such as, but not limited to, BBC and Reuters have been displaying pictures and videos of Libyans waving photos of Gaddafi and waving the green flag of the Gaddafi regime, the evidence of which is all over the place here at DFI.

It is a civil war going on in Libya and France has decided to take the side of the anti-Gaddafi faction. As simple as that.

 

[Armand2REP]

Are you sure these bums have saying on who gets the good deal?? be patience, it's just unfolded, we will see who is the winner. One thing for sure though, these bums in pictures will be losers no matter who wins.

Those losers are the coordination for the National Council and control Libya's oil and gas fields. With Gaddafi stuck in the West with no oil and no money, it is the East and the National Council that control the wealth.

 

[Armand2REP]

It is a civil war going on in Libya and France has decided to take the side of the anti-Gaddafi faction. As simple as that.

And that faction is backed by French air power, Gaddafi's forces are going to be slaughtered. Get over that!

 

[pmaitra]

And that faction is backed by French air power, Gaddafi's forces are going to be slaughtered. Get over that!

With Gaddafi having distributed weapons to civilians, I doubt it will be cakewalk for the French to have a regime with the anti-Gaddafi faction in power anytime soon, although that is the French objective, not 'saving lives'.

I know Monsieur Sarkozy wants to be the leader of Europe, and he took all the initiatives after Georgia's defeat, and now in Libya; however, getting to that oil in the east is going to be a different ball game altogether. The French can at most manage to slaughter a large number of civilians (proving the Germans right), thus putting him in the same place as Bush. Besides, with no troops on ground, it will be difficult for the French to secure Libyan oil. If the French deploy troops, it will be another Iraq for the French. Monsieur Sarkozy might have to leave office in utter humiliation, just like Bush had to.

It's wait and watch now.

 

[SHASH2K2]

With Gaddafi having distributed weapons to civilians, I doubt it will be cakewalk for the French to have a regime with the anti-Gaddafi faction in power anytime soon, although that is the French objective, not 'saving lives'.

I know Monsieur Sarkozy wants to be the leader of Europe, and he took all the initiatives after Georgia's defeat, and now in Libya, getting to that oil in the east is going to be a different ball game altogether. The French can at most manage to slaughter a large number of civilians (exactly what the Germans said), thus putting him in the same place a Bush. Besides, with no troops on ground, it will be difficult for the French to secure Libyan oil. If the French deploy troops, it will be another Iraq for the French. Monsieur Sarkozy might have to leave office in utter humiliation, just like Bush had to.

It's wait and watch now.

I think except for some surgical strikes west will not use ground forces. They may provide rebels with some proper training and weapons and maybe act as commanding officers for them . I dont expect France or Britain getting into scene where there are chances of a real casualty.

 

[pmaitra]

I think except for some surgical strikes west will not use ground forces. They may provide rebels with some proper training and weapons and maybe act as commanding officers for them . I dont expect France or Britain getting into scene where there are chances of a real casualty.

You are right. The strongest military in the world, the US military, has suffered severe casualties in Afganistan. What are the French and the Brits going to do? Who is going to fight for them? Their ageing population?

Besides, while the anti-Gaddafi faction has welcomed the no-fly zone, neither side wants a foreign occupation.

The French are probably trying to create a level playing ground for the two sides, but with weapons freely available to civilians, it will solely depend on the popularity, or lack therefore, of Gaddafi.

He has been claiming that Libyans love him. We'll see how much of that is true.

 

[Armand2REP]

I think except for some surgical strikes west will not use ground forces. They may provide rebels with some proper training and weapons and maybe act as commanding officers for them . I dont expect France or Britain getting into scene where there are chances of a real casualty.

Maybe... maybe not. Mistral has been rerouted to join the CdG battlegroup instead of heading to the IOR for Joan of Arc 2011. No word on Sirocco leaving Senegal but Foudre and Tonnerre are in dock.

 

[amoy]

no doubt Monsieur Sarkozy will save a bunch of "civilians" by killing another bunch of "civilians" while Obama is simply too busy this moment.

China anyway will get more even without Col. Qaddafi. Too bad China is a bystander right now.


China's future in Africa, after Libya
By Leslie Hook

By 2015, China will be investing an eye-popping $50bn per year in Africa and bilateral trade with the continent will be $300bn annually, according to research from Standard Chartered.

But the future of Chinese companies in Africa may be under review, given the way that recent events in Libya have played out. China had a large presence there: more than 30,000 Chinese workers were living and working in Libya before the unrest broke out, according to Chinese officials.

Because China has never imposed economic sanctions on Libya – and in fact the two countries once saw themselves as revolutionary allies, decades ago – Chinese companies were very active across the Libyan economy, from construction projects, to railways, to telecoms.

The full extent of that engagement has become clear as the companies involved have pulled out: China Railways Construction Corp, which suspended operations in Libya this week, had been building three rail projects there worth $4.2bn, the company said, of which $3.6bn has not been completed.

Meanwhile China State Engineering Corp has suspended a $2.7bn housing project, leaving it half finished, and is repatriating its workers. China's largest dam builder, Sinohydro, is doing the same.

At least 27 Chinese construction projects have been attacked, according to the Ministry of Commerce. The workers involved in these projects have captured headlines back in China over the last week, as stories of their violent encounters with looters leaked out over the Internet.

One construction worker from Zhongtai Construction Group, Xu Lifen, described how his camp was looted evening of February 20th: "They had knives, basic rifles, and even some AK-47's. We were helpless and terrified, but of course we couldn't just stand by," he told the Nanfang Daily, a Chinese newspaper. "We were all thinking, the only way out of here is to fight, so we grabbed some rebar (steel bars) and eventually beat them back."

So what do these tales of violence mean for the future of Chinese investment in Africa?

"It is not too difficult to foresee a future of Chinese companies becoming more selective when approached by a government in North Africa," says Zha Daojiong, professor at Peking University and expert on China's overseas energy investments. "We were probably a little bit naïve, collectively speaking, in assuming that as long as we get the government-to-government level right, we were in good hands."

Chinese companies will continue to be drawn to Africa because of the continent's rich resources, such as iron ore and oil, two commodities that China needs. But a key area to watch will be how their strategies change – and whether that forecasted $50bn of investment in the continent may end up being a bit lower given what's happened in Libya.

 

[redragon]

let the west does the killing, chinese will just focus on building, we will find out which way will last long.

 

[badguy2000]

well, let's wait and see whether Lybia is to become a second Afghanistan or a second somalia......

BTW,anyhow it is a good case to CHina that a new mess in Lybia can occupy the attention of USA.....


What China needs most is to let west countries busy with affairs outside CHina....so that CHina can have enough "time window" to accumulate enough industry might to end the dominance of west civilization.

The more attention west countries put to mess outside China such as Lybia ,Afghanistan ,Iraq, N.korea and Iran, the longer the "time window" left for CHina is .

For example.

Bin Laden bombed New York ,then occupied the full attention of USA for almost 10 years........it helped CHina develop rapidly without disturb from USA during the past decade. So. to some extent, CHinese should thanks much for MR. Bin Laden.

 

[Armand2REP]

China had its chance to stop this but she did what she was expected to, sit in the corner. CCP knows the price of angering the West and knows rocking that boat is a far worse fate than losing tens of billions and 36,000 jobs in Libya.

 

[jazzguy]

China had its chance to stop this but she did what she was expected to, sit in the corner. CCP knows the price of angering the West and knows rocking that boat is a far worse fate than losing tens of billions and 36,000 jobs in Libya.

India made a mistake of abstaining. India, the largest demoncracy, did not stand up to overthrow the decatator in Libya. India did not prove its worth of being a permanent member of the UNSC.

 

[Armand2REP]

India made a mistake of abstaining. India, the largest demoncracy, did not stand up to overthrow the decatator in Libya. India did not prove its worth of being a permanent member of the UNSC.

It is just as worthy as China, Russia, or Germany... they all voted the same which was not to vote.

 

[pmaitra]

It is just as worthy as China, Russia, or Germany... they all voted the same which was not to vote.

What is France worthy of? Russia dared the US over Georgia. PRC dared the US over Taiwan. France has dared whom? ..... Gaddafi [cough cough]. Indeed, Monsieur Sarkozy is the bravest of the brave.

Fortunately, not everyone thinks like Monsieur Sarkozy. He has his own agenda. He wants to be the leader of Europe and grab Libya's oil. This has got absolutely nothing to do with 'saving civilian lives'. In the process of saving a bunch civilians, Sarkozy has managed to kill a bunch of civilians (see quote below), with its 'super accurate' cruise missiles and what not.

Contrary to what you would have us believe, the stand of India, Russia, PRC, Germany and Brazil has been principled. Both sides are armed, thus, cannot take sides. Period. However it takes a while for some to realise this reality.

no doubt Monsieur Sarkozy will save a bunch of "civilians" by killing another bunch of "civilians" while Obama is simply too busy this moment.