China preventing UN action on Libya

pmaitra

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Gaddafi don't have such brain, did you noticed what he was saying in his recent speech in which he addressed Benghazi people that we are coming and you won't be leaved by us. I think he must face some bombs on his head and his air force plane got shot down by UN forces. He won't be able to get in in Benghazi because till today evening UN forces will establish No-Fly zone and Gaddafi's defeat will start soon.
Of course I noticed. I already posted that in post #76. He is a moron to issue threats when the UN is asking him to stop his assaults and a couple of superior military powers are gearing up for air-strikes.
 

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Of course I noticed. I already posted that in post #76. He is a moron to issue threats when the UN is asking him to stop his assaults and a couple of superior military powers are gearing up for air-strikes.
Do you have any idea in how many hours UN forces will start No-Fly Zone?
 

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If I were Gaddafi, I would declare ceasefire and offer talks with the rebels, find a middle ground, establish a coalition government and offer general amnesty to the rebels
most possibly Col. Qaddafi wanted to crush the rebels bfore big powers were determined to intervene. timing is very important for both sides.

Besides for a dictator like Qaddafi there seems no "middle ground". Just look at what happens to Mubarak or Ben Ali even after they quitted

The Swiss government on Friday ordered a freeze on any assets belonging to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his entourage shortly after he was forced from office, the foreign ministry said.

"The Federal Council (government) has decided to freeze any assets of the former Egyptian president and his entourage in Switzerland with immediate effect," the ministry said in a statement.

It added that the three-year freeze was aimed at preventing any risk of embezzlement of Egyptian state property.


Swiss authorities slapped a similar freeze on the assets of Tunisia's ex-president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali last month a few a days after he was ousted.

That has resulted in the blockage of a sum in the "two-digit millions" in Switzerland, officials said, pending legal action for its recovery by Tunisian authorities.
 

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most possibly Col. Qaddafi wanted to crush the rebels bfore big powers were determined to intervene. timing is very important for both sides.

Besides for a dictator like Qaddafi there seems no "middle ground". Just look at what happens to Mubarak or Ben Ali even after they quitted
Interesting. That is the price you pay for stashing up the peoples' monies in Swiss Banks. The Swiss Banks are themselves party to the crime, of course, but are kind of super-judice.

Gaddafi and his son Saif have been saying, 'We live in Libya, we die in Libya'. I think they know they have no incentive to compromise or step down. In any event, as I have always maintained, I don't like the West creating this apparition of moral high ground when they are the ones who always want to seek their narrow benefits in the garb of humanitarianism (guess who armed, trained and had military exercises with Mikhail Saakashvili's Georgia right before his assault on Tskhinvali?).
 
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UN Security Council OKs no-fly zone for Libya & 'all means necessary' to protect civs

UN Security Council OKs no-fly zone for Libya and 'all means necessary' to protect civilians

By Associated Press, Friday, March 18; The Washington Post

UNITED NATIONS — The United States, France and Britain were making plans Friday to prevent Moammar Gadhafi's forces from attacking Libyans after the U.N. Security Council authorized a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" to protect civilians.

The U.N. vote on Thursday night was 10-0 with five countries abstaining including Russia and China. India, Germany and Brazil also expressed misgivings about approving military action.

President Barack Obama telephoned the leaders of Britain and France after the vote, the White House said. U.S. officials speaking after a closed-door briefing in Congress said the attempt to ground Gadhafi's air force could begin by Sunday or Monday with the use of jet fighters, bombers and surveillance aircraft.

"Given the critical situation on the ground, I expect immediate action on the resolution's provisions," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said after the vote. He pledged to "work closely with member states and regional organizations to coordinate a common, effective and timely response."

In Brussels, NATO envoys on Friday were considering ways to enforce the U.N. resolution. Aircraft flying from NATO bases in Sigonella, Sicily, Aviano in northern Italy, and a U.S. carrier in the Mediterranean could enforce the no-fly zone.

Still, China said Friday it had "serious reservations" about the Security Council's action, with the Foreign Ministry saying China opposes using military force in international relations. It said China has consistently stressed respect for Libya's sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity and that the crisis should be resolved through dialogue.

The United States, France and Britain pushed for rapid approval of the resolution as Gadhafi's forces advanced toward opposition-held Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city. The Libyan leader warned Thursday night he would launch a final assault on Benghazi and oust the rebels from their eastern stronghold.

The vote came five days after the Arab League called on the United Nations to "shoulder its responsibility" by imposing a flight ban over Libya. Speaking for Arab nations Thursday, Lebanese Ambassador Nawaf Salam said he hoped the move would "play a deterrent role so that Libyan authorities will move away from the logic of violence."

Libya's Deputy U.N. Ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi, whose support for the opposition inspired spurred many Libyan diplomats around the world to demand Gadhafi's ouster, called on the world to respond "immediately."

"The lives of the civilians are in danger right now and I expect the international community to move quickly," he said.

U.S Ambassador Susan Rice said the resolution "should send a strong message to Colonel Gadhafi and his regime that the violence must stop, the killing must stop, and the people of Libya must be protected and have the opportunity to express themselves freely."

The resolution establishes "a ban on all flights in the airspace of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya in order to help protect civilians." It also authorizes U.N. member states to take "all necessary measures ... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation." Supporters of the resolution said authorization for "all necessary measures" provides a legal basis for countries to carry out air strikes to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said all three criteria for taking action — demonstrable need, clear legal basis and broad regional support — had now been fulfilled. "This places a responsibility on members of the United Nations and that is a responsibility to with the United Kingdom will now respond," Hague said.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon told France-2 Television that France would support military action against Gadhafi within hours of the vote.

France's Foreign Minister Alain Juppe traveled to New York for the vote, urging council members to adopt the resolution because the U.N. sanctions against Libya they passed Feb. 26 had been ignored.

"We cannot allow these warmongers to go on," Juppe said. "We cannot let international law and morality be flouted."

The United States joined the resolution's initial supporters — Britain, France and Lebanon — not only in pushing for a speedy vote but also in pressing for action beyond creation of a no-fly zone to protect civilians from air, land and sea attacks by Gadhafi's fighters.

It was an abrupt switch by the Obama administration following weeks of hesitation amid worries that the United States could get sucked into another war in a Muslim nation.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters in Tunisia on Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya would require action to protect the planes and pilots, "including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems," but no ground intervention is considered.

Explaining his abstention on the vote, Germany's U.N. Ambassador Peter Wittig said his country backed increased sanctions against Libya in an effort to force Gadhafi from power, but "we see the danger of being drawn into a protracted military conflict."

India's deputy ambassador Manjeev Singh Puri said his country abstained because the resolution authorizes "far reaching measures ... with relatively little credible information on the situation on the ground in Libya."

The resolution also calls for stronger enforcement of the U.N. arms embargo imposed last month, adds names of individuals, companies and other entities to the list of those subject to travel bans and asset freezes, and requires all countries to ban Libyan flights.

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Associated Press Writers Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations, David Espo in Washington and Jamey Keaten in Paris contributed to this report.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...otect-civilians/2011/03/17/AB5WCtj_story.html
 

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NATO may carry out airstrikes against Libya in next few hours

NATO is ready to carry out precision airstrikes against Libya, and the military operation may begin in the next few hours, a NATO source said on Friday.

"The decision is expected to be formally approved during today's meeting of the NATO Council. Relevant military planning for this case has already been made, and I expect that the operation may start in the next few hours," the source said.

He added that the airstrikes are likely to be carried out by the United States, Britain, France and Canada.

The UN Security Council approved on Thursday a resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya. The resolution, adopted after three days of consultations, authorizes "to take all necessary measures... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamhariya, including Benghazi, while excluding an occupation force."

Under the resolution, the UN member states will not authorize Libyan planes to take off, land or fly in their airspace, if the flight was not approved by the Security Council's sanctions committee.

The resolution was approved by 10 members of the UN Security Council. Brazil, China, Germany, India and Russia abstained from the vote.

BRUSSELS, March 18 (RIA Novosti)
 

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Do you have any idea in how many hours UN forces will start No-Fly Zone?
48 hours from now most likely. It takes time to go over your intelligence, plan logistics, gather assets and formulate strike plans. You can't start the No-Fly Zone until you clear out the air defences.
 

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48 hours from now most likely. It takes time to go over your intelligence, plan logistics, gather assets and formulate strike plans. You can't start the No-Fly Zone until you clear out the air defences.
I don't think rebel forces have that much time to survive. UN forces must start their operation till Friday late night because UN is already too late to do something and if we do more then we may see most ferocious war between Gaddafis force and rebel forces killing several thousands of innocent lives. Gaddafi has already closed his airspace and will use its full air power to defeat rebels before UN operation begins.
 

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Clearly France is not a super power, it is just one global power. There is a difference, but then US is the only super power and they failed to act at all. The rebels are far from finished as Gaddafi doesn't have the forces to control the whole country. It is already going into guerrilla warfare.
France would be as pathetic as S.korea, if it were located in the northeast Asia like S.Korea,instead in West Europe full of ll titmans.

And, many of South Koreans now says that S.Korea would be a "global power" as France, If S.Korea were not between CHina, Russia and Japan,but in West Europe full of titmans .....hahah
 
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The best thing is for Gaddafi force to come out and fight UN forces it will be a quick end to Gaddaffi and it will avoid a drawn out guerilla war. Let's see if Gaddaffi learned anything from Saddam and if he can do anything different??
 

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The best thing is for Gaddafi force to come out and fight UN forces it will be a fast quick end to Gaddaffi and it will avoid a drawn out guerilla war. Let's see if Gaddaffi learned anything from Saddam and if he can do anything different??
They just declared cease fire, looks like he is smarter
 

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What Indian GOV did shows the world is still ruled under principle of jungle, so badguy was right, everything is based on interest and calculation not ideology, did our naive members learn the lesson? Guess not
 
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What Indian GOV did shows the world is still ruled under principle of jungle, so badguy was right, everything is based on interest and calculation not ideology, did our naive members learn the lesson? Guess not
This is a smart way of staying in power ,dealing with the rebels later, while avoiding an attack.
 

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They just declared cease fire, looks like he is smarter
Of course he is smarter than expected but still he won't rule Libya anymore. What he did can save him from Saddam like treatment by UN but its too late for him and for all hence if he ceasefire then still he will face charges and either get thrown out from Libya or will face charges of killing several thousand civilians of Libya.

He could save a lot but his wise decision to attack on rebels proved him overconfident over smart fool.
 

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What Indian GOV did shows the world is still ruled under principle of jungle, so badguy was right, everything is based on interest and calculation not ideology, did our naive members learn the lesson? Guess not
Yes ledlagon, we naive people learnt our lesson thanks to your learned views. Now we are ready to fight imperialist counter-revolutionary revisionist "badguy" under the light of communist ideology! Please post sticky thread with membelship folm of CPC.

PS: who's the "badguy" according to chairman ?
 

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This is a smart way of staying in power ,dealing with the rebels later, while avoiding an attack.
The time will not forgive UN and specially public in Libya won't forget them for coming too late. Whatever result may come but UN has no future now and deserve to be dismissed for his impotency. Now this snake Gaddafi will play politics and kill rebels slowly without getting unnoticed because rebels has become weaker and he has almost defeated them. They can't rise against him so he won the war. I wish I could see him behind the cage getting punished in front of Libyan public.
 
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The time will not forgive UN and specially public in Libya won't forget them for coming too late. Whatever result may come but UN has no future now and deserve to be dismissed for his impotency. Now this snake Gaddafi will play politics and kill rebels slowly without getting unnoticed because rebels has become weaker and he has almost defeated them. They can't rise against him so he won the war. I wish I could see him behind the cage getting punished in front of Libyan public.
This attack should have come earlier, by announcing a cease fire now Gaddaffi still has the upper hand after slaughtering most of the rebels.
 

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Why the UN and US allied nations didn't take any actions against Srilanka when they massacred thousands of civilians in name of war against LTTE?? Where did they go by then??
 

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This attack should have come earlier, by announcing a cease fire now Gaddaffi still has the upper hand after slaughtering most of the rebels.
the rebels are not good apples ,either.....

frankly speaking, even if the rebels were to take over the power and replace Gaddaffi,Lybia would still be ruled by another "bad apple".

and Finally when the "revolution" is finished and lots of lives and blood are lost, you would find nothing would change in Lybia,except that the old dictator called "Gaddaffi" were to be repalced with a new bad dictator perhaps called "iffaddaG"..........

.the state would be still run by the rich "elite"....the poor would be still the disadvantaged group and their voice would be still ignored .the unemployed would be still unemployed....and the earth would still go round....

It is quite naive to believe one or two revolutions can "reshape" one state and fix all problems....
 
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Libya declares ceasefire after West threatens attack

Libya declares ceasefire after West threatens attack

By Maria Golovnina and Patrick Worsnip
TRIPOLI/UNITED NATIONS | Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:11am EDT
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(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi's government said it was declaring a unilateral ceasefire in its offensive to crush Libya's revolt, as Western warplanes prepared to attack his forces.

"We decided on an immediate ceasefire and on an immediate stop to all military operations," Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa told reporters in Tripoli on Friday, after the U.N. Security Council passed a resolution authorizing military action.

He called for dialogue with all sides. Gaddafi had vowed to show "no mercy, no pity" on Thursday, and rebels pleaded for foreign aid before time ran out. They said the city of Misrata was being pounded by government forces on Friday morning.

France, a leading advocate of military action, said it was cautious about the ceasefire announcement and that the "threat on the ground has not changed."

Western officials said military action could include France, Britain, the United States and one or more Arab countries.

"Britain will deploy Tornadoes and Typhoons as well as air-to-air refueling and surveillance aircraft," Prime Minister David Cameron told parliament.

"Preparations to deploy these aircraft have already started and in the coming hours they will move to airbases from where they can start to take the necessary action."

Gulf state Qatar said it would take part but it was unclear whether that meant military help, while Denmark said it planned to contribute warplanes. France is to host international talks on Saturday to discuss the action.

People in Misrata said the rebel-held western city was under heavy bombardment by Gaddafi's forces on Friday.

"They are bombing everything, houses, mosques and even ambulances," Gemal, a rebel spokesman, told Reuters by phone from the last big rebel stronghold in the west.

Another rebel named Saadoun said: "We believe they want to enter the city at any cost before the international community starts implementing the U.N. resolution.

"We call on the international community to do something before it's too late. They must act now."

A fighter named Mohammed said tanks were advancing on the city center. "All the people of Misrata are desperately trying to defend the city," he said.

Four people had been killed and 70 wounded, Al Arabiya television said. A government spokesman said the military operation should be completed on Friday.

The reports could not be independently confirmed. Authorities were preventing Tripoli-based foreign journalists from reporting freely.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110318
 

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