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Well, China still has more room to expand private consumption and this is what China is doing now by urbanizing the village people.
China has been heavily urbanising for over the last decade and their private consumption has fallen from 55% of GDP to 35% today. Clearly that is not the answer.
 

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China has been heavily urbanising for over the last decade and their private consumption has fallen from 55% of GDP to 35% today. Clearly that is not the answer.
well, the simple answer is that CHinese poured unprecedented investment on its infrastructures in its unurbanized areas . such a unprencedented investment decreases the consumption ratio of GDP,although CHinese consumes more autos,households appliance...etc than any other country.
 

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well, the simple answer is that CHinese poured unprecedented investment on its infrastructures in its unurbanized areas . such a unprencedented investment decreases the consumption ratio of GDP,although CHinese consumes more autos,households appliance...etc than any other country.
It shows readily that growth comes not from private consumption but construction. It has so dwarfed all other aspects of the Chinese economy, it is the most imbalanced in the world. Buying a house is not private consumption and neither is buying an auto or appliance as those are durable goods. Didn't you study economics?
 

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It shows readily that growth comes not from private consumption but construction. It has so dwarfed all other aspects of the Chinese economy, it is the most imbalanced in the world. Buying a house is not private consumption and neither is buying an auto or appliance as those are durable goods. Didn't you study economics?
well, what a wonderful logic! buying auto/household appliand is not comsumption but buying 50-euro hair-cut service is consumption?
 

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well, what a wonderful logic! buying auto/household appliand is not comsumption but buying 50-euro hair-cut service is consumption?
Durable goods are considered investments, non-durables are consumption. The time distinction between the two is up-to 3 years for non-durables. That is like ECON 201.
 

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China accounts for almost half the global market for metals like steel and copper, whose mining drives the world economy. What happens when China slows down?


In July 2007, one year after the housing bubble peaked and five months before the beginning of the Great Recession, Citigroup CEO Chuck Prince talked to the Financial Times about the health of the housing market. "When the music stops," he said, "things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you've got to get up and dance."

The music stopped. And things got, well, complicated.

Today, the world is dancing to a new song with a potentially devastating ending, says Vikram Mansharamani, an equity investor, Yale lecturer, and author of the book Boombustology. That song is called "Commodities."

Many metal futures, like copper, are at record highs, up more than 40% since 2010. The stocks of global mining companies like Rio Tinto have doubled in the last year. The economies of metal-rich nations in South America are booming. And why shouldn't they? Supply for commodities is still tight, and demand for metals is still high, thanks to fast-charging developing countries, such as India and China. There's absolutely, 100%, no way the market for commodities dries up any time in the near future, right?

Right?

CHINA BEAR

"I'm a China bear," Mansharamani says. "China is exhibiting all the signs you would expect from an unsustainable boom." He first points to the housing market, where investment hit the inauspicious market of 6% of GDP -- the same mark the U.S. hit in 2006 as the bubble was bursting. What's more, outstanding loans for developers and residential mortgages in China have increased by a factor of FIVE in the last decade. Loan balances have nearly doubled in the last three years alone.

Even worse, Mansharamani says, the Chinese government has spent lavishly to create demand that never materialized. He points to ghost towns like Qungbashi, in Inner Mongolia, a city designed for 1.5 million residents, but drew only 20,000 -- hardly one percent. He points to the New South China Mall, not far from Guangzhou, which was built to handle 1,500 tenants. Instead, it houses a few dozen -- hardly one percent. This sort of one-percent success rate creates ludicrous overcapacity that is eerily reminiscent of the empty homes and strip malls lining recession ghost exurbs in Arizona and Nevada. Mansharamani sees it as the prelude to a dramatic slowdown in government spending on buildings and infrastructure.

AS CHINA GOES, COMMODITIES GO

Well, so what? you ask. What do small towns and empty malls in Nowhere, China, matter to the world economy? The answer is that one engine of the global economy in the last few years has been commodities -- metals like steel and copper and aluminium used to build cities, malls and infrastructure. Countries with commodities, like Brazil and Australia, have thrived. So have US companies that specialize in unearthing commodities, like Bucyrus and Caterpillar.

But as China goes, commodities go. China's share of world demand for leading metals like aluminium, copper, zinc, lead, nickel, and crude steel is about 40 percent, according to research obtained from Goldman Sachs. For steel, China commands nearly half the global market. (In 2000, its share of global demand for those metals was between 6 and 16%.)

Even these numbers understate the breadth of China's impact. "Think how much steel is sold to Caterpillar or John Deere for capital goods that are sent to China," Mansharamani says. "Or how much is sent to Brazil to mine iron for China. Think of the countries that get dragged down with a commodities slow-down -- South Africa, Brazil, Peru. The world shipping sector."

If China slows down even to 5% growth a year, that will take a booming commodities market down with it.

THE NEXT FEW MONTHS

In the short term, Mansharamani told me in a follow-up interview, the commodities story could hold together longer thanks to new demand out of Japan to rebuild after the quake and tsunami. If a spending binge in Japan increases real demand for metals, it could justify ongoing speculation in metals prices.

But like a balloon batted in the air one last time, this might serve to only make the fall more dramatic, Mansharamani says. "This will temporarily hide the unsustainability of the Chinese investment boom," he wrote to me in an email. "It will embolden mining companies to expand more rapidly. This will likely make the eventual correction more extreme than if the excesses were revealed today."
 

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Failure by Chinese policymakers to contain inflation could prove to be a "significant blow" to the Canadian economy by wiping out $100-billion in annual income as commodity prices plunge by as much as 40%, economists at Toronto-Dominion Bank warn.

TD said odds of such a scenario unfolding remain low, as Beijing officials have proved to be adept at turning economic conditions around in a timely fashion. But the analysis, released Monday, is aimed at showing the deep links between Canada and China, the world's No. 2 economy.

"The Canadian economy would be hit really hard," said Craig Alexander, TD chief economist and lead author. "We wanted to get our head around what it would look like."

The findings come amid warnings that emerging markets — key drivers to date of the global recovery — are at risk of overheating as energy and food prices surge.

Central banks in emerging markets, led by China, lack the inflation-fighting reputation their peers in developed economies, such as Canada, carry in terms of anchoring expectations on price increases, Mr. Alexander said, adding annual inflation in China is already running at roughly 5%.

"There is a greater risk of high headline inflation feeding through to higher prices and higher wages," he said. "And when you see inflation running at significant levels already, it raises the question of whether [China has] fallen behind the curve."

The People's Bank of China has raised its benchmark policy rate by a full percentage point since late 2010. Data from China's central bank indicate money growth and bank lending slowed in February.

Nevertheless, China's so-called real (adjusted for inflation) interest rate remains close to zero, with additional research from the Institute for International Finance suggesting policy rates in emerging markets remain up to 300 basis points lower than levels in the years leading up to the financial crisis.

"While a 'soft landing' scenario remains the most likely outcome in our view, it is not assured," Mr. Alexander said. "Legitimate concerns exist over China's ability to rein in growth and stifle inflationary pressures without triggering a harder landing that could derail a fragile global recovery."

That so-called hard landing, which would see annual growth in China slow to 5% from recent 9%, could derail a fragile global recovery and land a "significant blow" against Canada, whose economy and stock market in recent years has become highly linked to commodity prices.

Commodity prices would be at risk of falling somewhere between 30% and 40%, TD said, basing the estimate on the historical link between global growth and commodities. Such a fall in oil and metal prices — sparked by weaker demand from China, expected to make up nearly 15% of global GDP next year — would hit Western provinces and Newfoundland harder as these governments rely on taxes from commodity sales to fund programs.

More important, though, falling commodity prices would generate a "dramatic decline" in annual Canadian income for households, corporations and government, at an estimated $100-billion.

The Canadian dollar, highly linked to commodities, would fall beyond parity to the US80¢ and US85¢ range.

TD suggested the Canadian economy could "still eke out" modest economic growth, of 1% annualized, should China's economy hit a hard bump, but the risk remains of one or more quarters of data showing the Canadian economy shrinking.
 

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hina's retail sales rose 15.8 percent year-on-year to 2.9018 trillion yuan ($441.67 billion) in the first two months of this year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) announced Friday.

Despite a spending spree during the traditional Chinese Lunar New Year holiday, the growth was 3.3 percentage points lower than December's level.

Urban retail sales of consumer goods topped 2.5173 trillion yuan in the January-February period, up 15.9 percent year-on-year, while retail sales in rural areas rose 15.4 percent to 384.5 billion yuan from a year earlier, according Sheng Laiyun, spokesman with the NBS.("¦)

The Bankcard Consumer Confidence Index (BCCI), compiled by Xinhua News Agency and China UnionPay, a Chinese banking card industry association, was up 0.51 points to 86.04 points last month from January, but it was still down 0.59 points from the same period last year.

In January, the index dropped 1.28 points from a year ago and 0.39 points from the December level.
 

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China has been heavily urbanising for over the last decade and their private consumption has fallen from 55% of GDP to 35% today. Clearly that is not the answer.
That is the problem china is facing now, not the answer china gives. The answer is slowering down development speed: Prime Minister Wen just declared that his goal in next 5 years is slowing down the GDP growth rate to 7%.

As a developing country, it is no surprise to see a low ratio of consumption. It's like a new company, you have to squeeze every cents to invest in equipment, marketing, production and logistic, instead of issuing dividends or paying high bonus to each of your employees.

But after reaching a certain stage, you have to increase your people's private consumption. It is not about good or bad, it is the only way you can move on.

There is one thing I have different thought against Badguy2000: we can increase consumption by improving the life in rural area.
 
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China has been increasing wages at 13.5% annual average since 2002. So there goes that theory.
 

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As a developing country, it is no surprise to see a low ratio of consumption. It's like a new company, you have to squeeze every cents to invest in equipment, marketing, production and logistic, instead of issuing dividends or paying high bonus to each of your employees.
India's domestic consumption is 60%.
 

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China has been increasing wages at 13.5% annual average since 2002. So there goes that theory.
Population is greying faster than ever and is growing older as time goes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a negative growth in population in the next 20 years if the one child policy stays. This further compounds problems.
 

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