China, Pakistan reach secret nuclear reactor deal for Pakistan

[Yusuf]

The US 'mistake' was to destroy the relationship with Pakistan and alienate it - I would suggest that the Chinese are, so far, striking a good balance in terms of continuing to engage with Pakistan, but without the heavy focus on 'monetary aid' that the US has traditionally focused on.

I don't know what more the US could do to an ungrateful nation that lives of US taxpayers money.

China will see the result of its action in the not so distant future. Good luck to them

 

[sorcerer]

US currently is not ballsy enough to do anything to China... But will they now put sanctions on Pak? Will they dry up funds and aid? Will they do the same things they did to Iran and NK?

Or will US stay blind to Pak violating almost every norms till 2014? Genocide, Chemical Weapons, nuclear proliferation to NK & Iran, Human rights Violation and providing training and safe heaven to terrorists allover the world?

This is the big test for US and UN to prove that they are not the world's biggest hypocrite.

If USA stops aid to Pak for their Daily bread and gun powder. Will China step in to pump money into the PAK Machinery to run its GOVT?
Or is China just interested in marketing their toys?
What are the chances of China making such a move?

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

I don't know what more the US could do to an ungrateful nation that lives of US taxpayers money.

That is a one dimensional description of the relationship - Pakistan served the US's strategic goals and provided logistical support in exchange for US aid - the US, as can be clearly seen with the sanctions imposed on Pakistan after the Soviet Jihad was over and US interests served, does not hand out money for 'free' and with no 'quid pro quo' from the recipient nations.

China will see the result of its action in the not so distant future. Good luck to them

The Chinese relationship with Pakistan has gone on for decades now - surely these 'results' you refer to should have materialized already ...

 

[sorcerer]

The US 'mistake' was to destroy the relationship with Pakistan and alienate it - I would suggest that the Chinese are, so far, striking a good balance in terms of continuing to engage with Pakistan, but without the heavy focus on 'monetary aid' that the US has traditionally focused on.

For Chinese Its good Business. It is always been goood business.They get good dollars-Fresh.Unca Sam gives the mucho pocket money for Pak.

 

[sorcerer]

That is a one dimensional description of the relationship - Pakistan served the US's strategic goals and provided logistical support in exchange for US aid - the US, as can be clearly seen with the sanctions imposed on Pakistan after the Soviet Jihad was over and US interests served, does not hand out money for 'free' and with no 'quid pro quo' from the recipient nations.

The Chinese relationship with Pakistan has gone on for decades now - surely these 'results' you refer to should have materialized already ...

So is Chinese relationship with NK. Looks like China will have a lot of explanation to do with regards to NK, if things go ugly.

 

[Yusuf]

That is a one dimensional description of the relationship - Pakistan served the US's strategic goals and provided logistical support in exchange for US aid - the US, as can be clearly seen with the sanctions imposed on Pakistan after the Soviet Jihad was over and US interests served, does not hand out money for 'free' and with no 'quid pro quo' from the recipient nations.

The Chinese relationship with Pakistan has gone on for decades now - surely these 'results' you refer to should have materialized already ...

China-Pak relations are nowhere near US-Pak relations. US has done a lot more for Pak than China has. Any relationship serves the interest of both sides. Pak chose to be an American lackey coz it suited them. You got money, you got weapons. I mean for years F16s were your Crown Jewels.

If you think China is doing a favor with a very good heart to Pak then you are sadly mistaken. China does it to counter India. As we say, China will fight India to the last Paki. Its serving you to be under China. History tends to repeat itself. China will see the full force of it in not too distant future.

 

[SLASH]

Let them build the reactor. Lets see how long these reactors run without any fuel.

 

[farhan_9909]

@SLASH

If india can invest in the extraction of bannu basin uranium reserves.

we can even ensure you uranium supply for the next 3 decades

 

[The Last Stand]

@SLASH

If india can invest in the extraction of bannu basin uranium reserves.

we can even ensure you uranium supply for the next 3 decades

:bs:

India doesn't need Uranium from you. We have struck deals with countries which have several hundred times more uranium than you do (Australia, Canada).

Also you don't have money for extracting. That's why you want us to "invest" You may be able to take low grade uranium but you will have to destroy your whole economy (which runs on US funds) to make sure that you can make 2 kg of weapons grade uranium. Don't give me nonsense like "Pakistan has a lot of money"

See photochor video. Clearly explains that Pakistani nukes are chinese designs which cannot use Uranium.

 

[farhan_9909]

:bs:

India doesn't need Uranium from you. We have struck deals with countries which have several hundred times more uranium than you do (Australia, Canada).

Also you don't have money for extracting. That's why you want us to "invest" You may be able to take low grade uranium but you will have to destroy your whole economy (which runs on US funds) to make sure that you can make 2 kg of weapons grade uranium. Don't give me nonsense like "Pakistan has a lot of money"

See photochor video. Clearly explains that Pakistani nukes are chinese designs which cannot use Uranium.

Lol is this the reason we have so many project ON for uranium extraction

rest of your post is like india tv

 

[tramp]

China-Pak relations are nowhere near US-Pak relations. US has done a lot more for Pak than China has. Any relationship serves the interest of both sides. Pak chose to be an American lackey coz it suited them. You got money, you got weapons. I mean for years F16s were your Crown Jewels.

If you think China is doing a favor with a very good heart to Pak then you are sadly mistaken. China does it to counter India. As we say, China will fight India to the last Paki. Its serving you to be under China. History tends to repeat itself. China will see the full force of it in not too distant future.

The following report puts in perspective this wonderful relationship, though.

View from McLeod Road: Why the Sino-Pak alliance is economically worthless – The Express Tribune

Karachi: Pakistan's leaders love using laughably outrageous metaphors in describing the country's relationship with China, yet the truth is that this so-called alliance means almost nothing positive for the Pakistani economy.
All of Islamabad – indeed all of Pakistan – appears to be bending over backwards in laying out the red carpet to welcome Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. But the fact of the matter is that China will give Pakistan almost nothing, and this two-day trip is really only being made by the Chinese premier to avoid slapping Islamabad in the face completely, after having made his first trip abroad a three-day visit to India, in a key signal about the real shifts in Chinese foreign policy.
Pakistanis love to proclaim China as our "all-weather friend. In his last visit to China, former Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani described the relationship as "higher than mountains, deeper than oceans, stronger than steel and sweeter than honey."
On this trip, Premier Li described the relationship as "a tree, now exuberant with abundant fruits".
This was not him being poetic. It was delivering a message that nobody in Pakistan seems to have gotten: that China's ties with Pakistan are not some eternal alliance of friends, but a strictly utilitarian relationship in which Beijing uses Islamabad occasionally to scare the living daylights out of the United States and India to get what it wants in its negotiations with Washington and New Delhi, and then abandons Pakistan once that transaction is completed.
A look at the numbers suggests that the Islamabad-Beijing relationship has had very little benefit for Pakistan as whole.
In the 12-year period between July 2000 and June 2012, net foreign investment in Pakistan amounted to about $29 billion, according to the State Bank of Pakistan. Of that, just $0.8 billion came from China, and nearly all of that was China Mobile's investment in Zong.
China's investment in Pakistan is less than that of tiny Netherlands, which invested $1.4 billion during that time. The supposed "Great Satan" – the United States – invested the most in Pakistan: $7.7 billion, or more than a quarter of all foreign investment in the country. There is only one major Chinese company with actual investments in Pakistan: China Mobile. The number of major US companies investing in Pakistan? More than 30.
In Pakistan's terms of trade with China, the relationship is virtually colonial in nature. In 2012, China sold Pakistan about $6.6 billion worth of goods, mostly electronic equipment and machinery. Pakistan sold China about $2.6 billion worth of goods, nearly all of that cotton yarn. By contrast, Pakistan runs a trade surplus with both the United States and the European Union.
But what about Gwadar Port and its benefits to Pakistan, one might be tempted to ask. There is no denying that Gwadar – if developed properly – can deliver massive economic gains to Pakistan as a whole and especially the impoverished people of Balochistan. The problem is that this is exactly what we said when we handed over the Saindak copper and gold mines to China a decade ago. How's that working out for us? Not very well, by the looks of the Balochistan and federal governments' revenues, and the utter lack of development in that area.
What about other Chinese companies building infrastructure in Pakistan? They are simply contractors being paid for construction work on projects financed mostly by Pakistani taxpayers or donations from the US, EU or multilateral donors.
The truth is that China is much more serious about its economic relationship with India than with Pakistan. Here is how we know: in Islamabad, the Chinese premier will, at best, sign a few memoranda of understanding, essentially worthless pieces of paper that say nothing of substance. In India, the visit was marked by Chinese companies signing legally binding contracts with their Indian counterparts worth billions of dollars. China's trade with India is worth $68 billion and the two countries are on track to take it to $100 billion in two years.
The sooner Pakistan wakes up from the "China is our friend" delusion, the sooner we will stop giving control of the country's economic resources for almost nothing in return. The harsh reality is that Pakistan means almost nothing to China, and that is why the relationship with Beijing has yielded almost no tangible benefits for the Pakistani economy.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 23rd, 2013.