China not-so-secretly fumes & frets as India, Japan bond

[CCP]

Their growth rate is around 2% and they might improve. It is still better to live there than the PRC regardless of your GDP.

yes, enjoy their tasted radiated water and food.

 

[boris]

yes, enjoy their tasted radiated water and food.

Their food is great. Japan is a place I'd never get tired of visiting.

 

[CCP]

Their food is great. Japan is a place I'd never get tired of visiting.

OK, it is your choice.

 

[no smoking]

But Sir, the Chinese here at DFI keep claiming that there cannot be a strategic partnership between India and Japan.

No, we said that there can be a strategic partnership. But it won't bring the things that India and japan actually wants: Japanese need a US kind of military guarantee which India is not willing to give; India need an asistance for economic booming, which is not kind of thing that any single foreign country is willing to provide at all.

They say its pointless. Nothing much that India could bring to the table. So news like the ones mentioned below, even if its just for posturing and not a real deal, is something that should not worry our brothers across the Himalayas, isn't it?

It is not pointless, it would make diplomatic sense a lot, just like big 4 for UNSEC seat! But in strategic level, there is no much to worry about currently.

 

[Known_Unknown]

It is quite stupid for China to threaten India with nuclear assistance to Pakistan. India could do likewise to a host of countries in SE Asia if it so chooses.

Our Chinese members seem to be forgetting that most of the world is concerned about the behaviour of China. Whether it is Japan or the Philippines or Vietnam or US or India or Australia, all these countries are co-operating in military and economic spheres to contain and constrain China. It is not India that the world is worried about. So if China wants to keep behaving brashly and support rouge states like Pakistan and North Korea, it will be shooting itself in its foot.

A military alliance of rogue, aggressive, expansionist states rarely emerges victorious in any major conflict as they usually are in the minority. WW1 and 2 should have proven this fact. If China wants to stoke conflict with all its neighbours, it will certainly find itself on the losing side.

 

[prohumanity]

China certainly will be a loser if it raises basketcase allies like Paki. Paki-feeding will consume a lot of Chinese Money and Paki will become an endless parasite just like it became an long sucking parasite on the US. I think Chinese are smart....they will not feed and raise snakes in their backyard who use terrorism against neighbors and,in the end gets bitten up by them.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China should fret japan in an alliance similar to Malabar exercises
Forms it can control china's trade in two waters the south china seas and
now indian ocean.

 

[kseeker]

I think Chinese are smart....they will not feed and raise snakes in their backyard who use terrorism against neighbors and,in the end gets bitten up by them.

Chinese are smart indeed....they will feed and raise snake in their backyard and use that snake sponsored terrorism against their common neighbor; in the end either that snake gets killed by their neighbor or Chinese themselves kill that snake, prepare it's soup for their consumption since the same snake was trying to bite it's master

A bowl of tummy-warming snake broth chases away the winter chills.

Snakes in a bowl - China culture

 

[singa]

China better stop exporting Nuclear tech to Pakistan, Indians are feeling offended because of Chinese out right support to Pakistan in this field.

China would say: India better stop helping expat Tibetan such as Dalai Lama. I think China and India can discuss these issues at the same time.

 

[boris]

@kseeker

Good point ha with the snake. Maybe they could teach the paki's a thing or two about their snake(read:Taliban).

 

[kseeker]

@kseeker

Good point ha with the snake. Maybe they could teach the paki's a thing or two about their snake(read:Taliban).

Ha ha :thumb: :thumb:

Pukes are in dilemma, for them there are good talibani's and bad talibani's; hard to segregate them as well!

 

[CCP]

A military alliance of rogue, aggressive, expansionist states rarely emerges victorious in any major conflict as they usually are in the minority. WW1 and 2 should have proven this fact. If China wants to stoke conflict with all its neighbours, it will certainly find itself on the losing side.

Korean war is a counter example for you.

 

[boris]

Korean war is a counter example for you.

lol, so they taught you in school that you lot won the Korean War, how amusing!! Might I remind you that you and your nutcase North Korean allies lost twice the number of soldiers compared to the 20+ countries on South Korea's side.

Peng Duhai knew pretty well that the war was going to end in a stalemate and your ChiCom soldiers were always worried about UN bombing.

Hardly a victory I'd say when you push UN forces back to the 38th parallel, a division they had already proposed to the Soviets right after WW2 got over.

But anyway if that is what chairman Mao's little red book says then how dare I try to correct you.

(NOTE: The above line is sarcastic, given the fact that most of your people don't do sarcasm at all, I am just pointing out else you'll take it seriously and reply to that too. Just like that moon point in a previous post)

Oh BTW Banzai!!

 

[CCP]

lol, so they taught you in school that you lot won the Korean War, how amusing!! Might I remind you that you and your nutcase North Korean allies lost twice the number of soldiers compared to the 20+ countries on South Korea's side.

Peng Duhai knew pretty well that the war was going to end in a stalemate and your ChiCom soldiers were always worried about UN bombing.

Hardly a victory I'd say when you push UN forces back to the 38th parallel, a division they had already proposed to the Soviets right after WW2 got over.

But anyway if that is what chairman Mao's little red book says then how dare I try to correct you.

(NOTE: The above line is sarcastic, given the fact that most of your people don't do sarcasm at all, I am just pointing out else you'll take it seriously and reply to that too. Just like that moon point in a previous post)

Oh BTW Banzai!!

We started the war with UN at Chinese-Northeaster border then capture south Korean capital and the war is end at 38th parallel ine.

The number of lost soldiers is only from US's report, do you think it is correct?

If we worried about UN bombing, we should not pick the fight.

At the end , we saved our ally from UN/US, and we don't care our ally stared a war at first place or not.

 

[boris]

We started the war with UN at Chinese-Northeaster border then capture south Korean capital and the war is end at 38th parallel ine.

The number of lost soldiers is only from US's report, do you think it is correct?

If we worried about UN bombing, we should not pick the fight.

At the end , we saved our ally from UN/US, and we don't care our ally stared a war at first place or not.

The figures are from Chinese sources. if I go by US sources then it becomes 3 times.

Yes sure you don't care which is why that ally of yours is a nuclear state, a failed state, a dictatorship , a state that abducts foreign citizens(including Chinese as well), a state that is a pain in the rear for everyone and ...holy cow batman, I almost covered everything from the "Dictionary of Evil".

That ally of yours went when your big brothers in commie affairs i.e the USSR turned down the UN request for elections because they damn well know that most local and overseas Koreans would prefer the democratic south and hence supported crazy Kim-il Sung to attack.

The fact that remains is that the reason post the 38th parallel retreat in 1951 you guys weren't able to capture anything like the first wave of attack by crazy Kim sr. where the almost conquered the entire South, you couldn't do the same despite the PVA + DPRK outnumbering the entire UN coalition. The US didn't escalate due to the Soviets so your people should thank them too next time they teach that conflict in your schools.

Your allies didn't reach the failed state part till the USSR existed once they were gone it was over, you people just let the Kim family survive. The moment PRC takes its plug off, there won't be a DPRK if Kim Jong Un screwed around.

 

[CCP]

The figures are from Chinese sources. if I go by US sources then it becomes 3 times..

A link for your Chinese source.

The fact that remains is that the reason post the 38th parallel retreat in 1951 you guys weren't able to capture anything like the first wave of attack by crazy Kim sr. where the almost conquered the entire South

let me help you to rewire this:
the reason post the 38th parallel retreat in 1951 UN/US weren't able to capture anything like the first wave of attack by crazy Douglas MacArthur where the almost conquered the entire North,

Your allies didn't reach the failed state part till the USSR existed once they were gone it was over, you people just let the Kim family survive. The moment PRC takes its plug off, there won't be a DPRK if Kim Jong Un screwed around.

Well, do you think we will shoot our own foot?

 

[no smoking]

It is quite stupid for China to threaten India with nuclear assistance to Pakistan. India could do likewise to a host of countries in SE Asia if it so chooses.

It is quite stupid to think that SE asian country would need a nuke to win their dispute with China regarding the tiny islands.

Our Chinese members seem to be forgetting that most of the world is concerned about the behaviour of China. Whether it is Japan or the Philippines or Vietnam or US or India or Australia, all these countries are co-operating in military and economic spheres to contain and constrain China.

Oh, yes, co-operating to contain China by becoming the no.1 or 2 trade partner of China? You can tell us that when India signs the military alliance targeting China.

It is not India that the world is worried about. So if China wants to keep behaving brashly and support rouge states like Pakistan and North Korea, it will be shooting itself in its foot.

Of course, why any one except your tiny neighbours worrying about a country with no method to threat any big boy?

A military alliance of rogue, aggressive, expansionist states rarely emerges victorious in any major conflict as they usually are in the minority. WW1 and 2 should have proven this fact. If China wants to stoke conflict with all its neighbours, it will certainly find itself on the losing side.

Tell americans about it.

 

[Known_Unknown]

It is quite stupid to think that SE asian country would need a nuke to win their dispute with China regarding the tiny islands.

I'm sure Vietnam wouldn't mind a couple dozen nukes. They've practically been begging India to help them in everything from oil exploration to military exports.

Oh, yes, co-operating to contain China by becoming the no.1 or 2 trade partner of China? You can tell us that when India signs the military alliance targeting China.

You overestimate China's trade relations with the rest of the world. Walmart can source its cheap toys, pencils and toilet paper from any other third world country. There's nothing China contributes that is considered to be high-value and indispensable. China is a gargantuan sweat-shop, quite easily replaceable if necessary.

Of course, why any one except your tiny neighbours worrying about a country with no method to threat any big boy?

Arrogant big boys get the crap beaten out of them when all the tiny tots decide to teach the bully a lesson.

Tell americans about it.

Americans won't be on the losing side.

 

[no smoking]

I'm sure Vietnam wouldn't mind a couple dozen nukes. They've practically been begging India to help them in everything from oil exploration to military exports.

Are you suggesting that Vietnam is willing to invite a nuclear war for those tiny islands? It has been around 20 years since india got its first nuke war head. But India has never even threaten Chinese with these nukes. What make you think that vietnamese would be stupid enough to do something that Indian themselves wouldn't do?

You overestimate China's trade relations with the rest of the world. Walmart can source its cheap toys, pencils and toilet paper from any other third world country. There's nothing China contributes that is considered to be high-value and indispensable. China is a gargantuan sweat-shop, quite easily replaceable if necessary.

Only children would think it is quite easily to take out the world number one trader from the current global economic system.

Arrogant big boys get the crap beaten out of them when all the tiny tots decide to teach the bully a lesson.

That is another reason why no one worries about India: A country always expects others to do the hard work for it.

Americans won't be on the losing side.

You may don't know: America was the exact kind of aggressive, expansionist state during its initial rising stage.

 

[Known_Unknown]

Are you suggesting that Vietnam is willing to invite a nuclear war for those tiny islands? It has been around 20 years since india got its first nuke war head. But India has never even threaten Chinese with these nukes. What make you think that vietnamese would be stupid enough to do something that Indian themselves wouldn't do?

India's first nuclear test was in 1974. You don't think India's first nuclear warhead magically appeared out of thin air in 1999, do you? What makes you think India hasn't threatened China with nukes? In 1999, India's PM wrote a letter to Clinton and the heads of state of more than 150 countries citing China as the main reason for the nuke tests. The then Indian defence minister is on record saying that China was India's "enemy number one". Is China still confused about this issue?

Vietnam ha spanked both US and Chinese asses within the past 50 years. They're not the sort of people who take things lying down....especially when they will have nukes to back them up.

Only children would think it is quite easily to take out the world number one trader from the current global economic system.

The trader's worth is decide by what he trades in. Someone who sells third rate junk, regardless of market share, is always dispensable.

That is another reason why no one worries about India: A country always expects others to do the hard work for it.

It's good that no one worries about India. All the worry should be about China, and all the action should also be directed against China.

You may don't know: America was the exact kind of aggressive, expansionist state during its initial rising stage.

Unlike America, China does not have the comfort of being a continental power with no other challengers around.