China Mulls Buying Russian Submarines

Ray

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China has to have a large blue water fleet given her strategic requirement.

Ship building takes a lot of time.

China does not have time on her side given her new found territorial quest.

Therefore, it is ideal to buy off the shelf!

And China has the money to do so!
 

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No idea what you talking about. China has been consistent in her claims in the South China Sea. Hell, they inherited the claims from the days of Replica of China. That is a 80 years old claim. They even issued a map in 47 detailing her claims mirrored by Taiwan.
New found quest? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Maybe some readings will do you good.
 

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New found quest? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
OK.

Age old imperialist designs that they have never given up!

Happy?

Good to know that ROC is not Han!

Actually original inhabitants of Tawan are neither Cantonese, Hakka, Yues or Han or whatever name you like!

Another instant of imperialism!
 

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Since when are Russians getting big mouth like Indians?

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People can see who has the big mouth in this thread, taking jibe at Indians is what you tin pot 50 cent trolls can do.
 

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Since when are Russians getting big mouth like Indians?

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This show reality of Chinese MIC, your Nuclear Sub's have never been on deterrent patrol.
Indians have big mouth but not as big as the one of a "Proud Chinese" :


I just hope someday your unborn child does'nt face this faith :(
 
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People can see who has the big mouth in this thread, taking jibe at Indians is what you tin pot 50 cent trolls can do.
Actually a small mouth emitting big words.

Choti munh aur bari baat!
 

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well,

the resource from CD is that the case is not a simple commercial deal, but a military tech cooperation case,

Russia failed to developed the AIP of its Amur sub ,but iChina has mature AIP tech;
Russia has advanced hull-designing and a new Sonar tech,which CHina has no but wants.


So, Russia and CHina cooperate to develop the new sub,China provide AIP tech and Russia provide hull-designing and sonar tech....
 

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The reality of Chines rust buckets :pound:

As recently as 2007, China's diesel-powered subs and a handful of nuclear-propelled models managed just a few patrols per year, combined. Two years before that, none of Beijing's undersea boats went on patrol. For years, the majority of PLAN submarines remained tied up at naval bases, sidelined by mechanical problems and a shortage of adequately trained crews.
With little information to go on, American intelligence officials had to guess. In cases like that, "you guess conservatively," a respected U.S.-based naval analyst tells Danger Room on the condition of anonymity. The conservative estimates placed the latest PLAN subs roughly a decade behind the state-of-art for Russian submarines — and potentially 20 years behind U.S. undersea technology.
The assessment's biggest surprise: Leaving aside the PLAN's dozen imported Russian subs, new Chinese submarines can be detected at what's known as the "first convergence zone," a ring approximately 25 miles from an undersea vessel where outward-traveling sound waves pack close together.

During the Cold War, the U.S. Navy would arrange its own submarines in lines where each boat was 25 miles from the next, forming a sort of net to catch Soviet subs. With the introduction of the latest generation of quiet Russian diesel subs in the 1990s, the Americans thought that convergence-zone detection was no longer possible. But the Navy's just discovered that China's homemade subs are even louder than 20-year-old Russian boats. "Apparently they [U.S. subs] are making first convergence zone detections and holding them," the analyst reports.
China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com
 

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the deal is that Russia provide sonar and hull tech,while China provides Stirling engines tech.

BTW, Stirling engines is one of the AIP techs...how, it is the most mature but "most low-end" AIP Tech.

Because it is an "low-end" AIP tech, that is why CHina would like share it with Russia.


Of all AIP techs, What China is interested on most is "mini-nuke" tech,which is almost most hign-end AIP tech...

many years ago, one interview of a CHinese military organization revealed how CHina's AIP tech went on....
 

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@Daredevil and Apollyon

And how many patrols does the Indian Navy manage a year, according to US naval intelligence's definition of a patrol? Zero?

No patrol doesn't mean staying at base.

Chinese Submarine Patrols Doubled in 2008 » FAS Strategic Security Blog

Note that it mentions that China conducted more patrols than Russian in the same period.

Assuming that deterrent patrols entail voyages with nukes, neither of India or China conducts or will likely conduct them. Both countries keep warheads and missiles stored separately.

The few Russian Kilo's China imported are of poor quality, as are the imported Sovermeny's. One of the Kilo's' battery blew up a few years back. The Russians blamed it on the Chinese crew. Later, the same thing happened with an Iranian Kilo operated by a Russian crew. Several Chinese Kilo's have been in dry dock for extended periods of time and they rarely go on patrols. And of all the modern surface vessels in the Chinese Navy, only the Sovermeny's haven't bee on anti-piracy missions.

@ No one in particular and in response to ice berg's post

Most members on this board do have big mouths. World class military industrial complex comes from hard work, investment and time. No one is inherently more innovative or adept at quality control. Even if some one is, its usefulness is over-shadowed by effects of organisational structures, institutional framework, funding and accumulation of know-how over time. If they think slogans like 'Chini propadanda' can nullify years of trying, they've got another thing coming.

While most nationalistic Chinese and Pakistani fan boys think that Arjun II will be a failure like its predecessor, I'm of the contrary opinion, because the Indians will learn from any mistakes they've made in Arjun. Same thing with the Chinese, except that the Chinese has had way more experience, made way more mistakes and learned way more than you.
 
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something dangerous between china and russia
 

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