China moving full speed ahead in construction of aircraft carriers

[amoy]

well I used to think u guys were intelligent enough not to fall for the rumours of the only Chinese aircraft carrier joining the Syrian operations. [emoji38]

yes there 're two decommissioned aircraft carriers in China berthed as theme parks, named as Kiev and Minsk. but CASINO? no idea [emoji2]

~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~

 

[nimo_cn]

China has taken the first baby steps towards fielding Carriers. Their pilots have hardly any experience and they have hardly any experience of fielding the carriers on the sea.

On the other hand Indian Navy successfully brought back INS Vikramaditya back to India with a full escort of ships including a resupply ship, which enabled the flotilla to travel without stopping en route.

Even the Russian CBG has the worlds largest tug accompanying them as their AC keeps on breaking down mid way.

when Chinese say the Liangning aircraft carrier is gonna be just for training, you take their words seriously, huh?

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[sob]

Sir, you are facing a country with experience in carriers which measures in decades not in months.

 

[redragon]

Sir, you are facing a country with experience in carriers which measures in decades not in months.

Well, as per your past record, Chinese months seems long enough to be compared with Indian decades.

 

[angeldude13]

Well, as per your past record, Chinese months seems long enough to be compared with Indian decades.

If only those commies ruling china would think like you

 

[sabari]

No, my friend, it will be Americans, not Chinese, coming to stop you.
Actually, the real problem for you is: American thinks Indian ocean is currently under their control.

Sorry sir India is not iraq or Afghanistan . India has seen the threat even in 1972,1998,... .

 

[no smoking]

Sorry sir India is not iraq or Afghanistan . India has seen the threat even in 1972,1998,... .

Doesn't matter, it is American's concern, not Chinese.
And what we saw was India had no answer to the threat in 1972 and today.

 

[Compersion]

Some scholarly stuff for the gifted. The reasoning and words used are really convincing :

"In January 2015, further details of the transaction emerged from an interview with Xu Zengping by the South China Morning Post. Xu reported that he was commissioned by the PLAN to purchase the vessel on its behalf, with the floating hotel and casino as a cover story to avoid offending the U.S. and to placate Ukrainian concerns about potential military use. He was warned that there was significant risk from the lack of both a navy budget and support of Beijing for the purchase. Nevertheless, in 1998 Xu was so impressed when he boarded the ship in Mykolaiv, that he resolved to purchase it using his personal funds despite the risks. The previous year, Xu had already spent HK$6 million creating a Macau shell company, Agencia Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot, having borrowed HK$230 million from a Hong Kong business friend. He described a harrowing negotiation in Kiev, lubricated by bribery and liquor, which helped to arrange victory at the auction. As a precaution, the next day he shipped the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier overland to China in eight trucks."

"Xu Zengping, the impresario for the whole process from 1996 to 1999, estimated in 2015 the total cost out of his own pocket to be at least US$120 million. He insisted that he has received no reimbursement at all from China, and has spent the last 18 years repaying his debts, in part by selling properties including his palatial home. A source familiar with the acquisition offered the explanation that many of the naval officials initiating the mission had either died or were in jail."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning (better links are available within)

There is a quote where this chap XU was standing on the aircraft carrier when its in PRC ... the quotes above match like a song. How do you get on a military air craft carrier operated by PLA. Perhaps it was only a civilian tour.

The casino theme was it critical and reason why the ship was sold to PRC ... in another approach why mention casino in the first place. Was it to save money. Was it for reason.

More importantly it wont be intelligent to deflate the transportation of PRC air craft carrier to Syria because it is impressive one can say. Logistics and movement and tactical significance and also after such a short time of induction and also with a old second hand equipment.

Also another feather in the cap for the USA giving it way to easily to PRC. Is there some type of arrangement and alliance between them two ?

The Aircraft carrier is also another example of PRC making it known to Russia they are better to them and the PRC belief that Russian accepting that Russia is lower to them. The theme being developed by PRC that the Russians accepting PRC role and also more importance. But also a strange observance is that PRC wants to buy more advanced weapons from Russia. Is there some type of arrangement and waggish between them two ?

Does it matter it was supposed to be used to be a casino !! who cares for legal contracts and intentions at time of purchase.

We had SU30MKI, GSLV and even admiral gorshkov experience. We bought according to the limits that was allowed and fairly and even USA opposition and Russian support and without angering either and needing the placate them later.

Do we need to start gambling. Not really sure about that at this moment.

But who is to argue perhaps PRC had no other choice and it is a system and approach they adopt for their developments ...

 

[Zebra]

~Published on Jul 13, 2014
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[I_PLAY_BAD]

Doesn't matter, it is American's concern, not Chinese.
And what we saw was India had no answer to the threat in 1972 and today.

Actually China was back rubbing USA and Pakistan even back then.
In 1972, China deployed troops along its borders to deter India and make her withdraw from the Bangladesh Liberation War but Indira Gandhi didn't even take you guys and the USA seriously because we had Russia's backing. So it was many countries lining up against one single country. Doesn't it sound cowardly for you ? And, you are boasting of that threat you posed to us without shame. Shows the kind of character you people are.

 

[Hari Sud]

Do not worry about these construction, it will be a while before they out in the deep with an armada of other ships. So far, these have acted as coastal defence vessels.

 

[no smoking]

Actually China was back rubbing USA and Pakistan even back then.
In 1972, China deployed troops along its borders to deter India and make her withdraw from the Bangladesh Liberation War but Indira Gandhi didn't even take you guys and the USA seriously because we had Russia's backing. So it was many countries lining up against one single country. Doesn't it sound cowardly for you?

First of all, you should have a better lesson of your own country's history. The war ended in Dec 1971. So, whatever Chinese did in 1972 got nothing to do with your Bangladesh Liberation War;
Secondly, Bangladesh was a lost cause, neither American's, nor Chinese concern;
Thirdly, Gandhi did withdraw her troops from a complete victory, which might bring all POK into India control, I guess you know why.

And, you are boasting of that threat you posed to us without shame. Shows the kind of character you people are.

No, I am pointing out that you have no answer to US navy's threat in 1971 and you don't have any answer to the same threat today.
So, Basically, Indian Ocean is American's not yours.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

First of all, you should have a better lesson of your own country's history. The war ended in Dec 1971. So, whatever Chinese did in 1972 got nothing to do with your Bangladesh Liberation War;
Secondly, Bangladesh was a lost cause, neither American's, nor Chinese concern;
Thirdly, Gandhi did withdraw her troops from a complete victory, which might bring all POK into India control, I guess you know why.

That is the history lesson which your commie Government taught you during your childhood.
There was a thread in DFI which discussed China and USA's efforts to bully India to save Pakistan.
Go read that fully. It is full of facts. I am not talking about this just by reading my school history text books.
China did deploy its troops in the regions bordering Arunachal Pradesh while India was caning 90,000 Pakistani PoWs in East Pakistan.

No, I am pointing out that you have no answer to US navy's threat in 1971 and you don't have any answer to the same threat today.
So, Basically, Indian Ocean is American's not yours.

Well we don't have to worry about that. The actual party to be deeply concerned is you my baby, the Chinese.
Only China expresses concern over India's dominance in Indian ocean. No other nation, including the US, threatens us with cheap tricks like string of pearls. USA used its common-sense to not to mess with a regional power and that is why they developed the diplomatic relationship with India for their self-benefit. Whereas China thought of it as a global power and started to indulge in confrontational diplomacy with India which was not at all necessary. We are after all neighbors, remember ??? US presence means it is Australia and Japan's presence too. They come as add-ons and that is pitched against China, not India. Well they are itching to rope in India to counter your nation which the present sane Government will not do.

 

[no smoking]

That is the history lesson which your commie Government taught you during your childhood.
There was a thread in DFI which discussed China and USA's efforts to bully India to save Pakistan.
Go read that fully. It is full of facts. I am not talking about this just by reading my school history text books.
China did deploy its troops in the regions bordering Arunachal Pradesh while India was caning 90,000 Pakistani PoWs in East Pakistan.

Well, looks like the whole world history text books are different from yours:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

Quote: "Nixon encouraged China to mobilise its armed forces along its border with India to discourage it. The Chinese did not, however, respond to this encouragement,"


And your own PM at the time didn't agree with you either:

http://in.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_sank_nixons_gunboat_diplomacy_14041

Quote:"Despite Kissinger’s goading and desperate Pakistani calls for help, the Chinese did nothing. US diplomatic documents reveal that Indira Gandhi knew the Soviets had factored in the possibility of Chinese intervention. According to a cable referring to an Indian cabinet meeting held on December 10, “If the Chinese were to become directly involved in the conflict, Indira Gandhi said, the Chinese know that the Soviet Union would act in the Sinkiang region. Soviet air support may be made available to India at that time.”

Well we don't have to worry about that. The actual party to be deeply concerned is you my baby, the Chinese.
Only China expresses concern over India's dominance in Indian ocean. No other nation, including the US, threatens us with cheap tricks like string of pearls. USA used its common-sense to not to mess with a regional power and that is why they developed the diplomatic relationship with India for their self-benefit.

Yes, only problem is USN is dominating Indian Ocean now no matter whatever you say. Chinese really can't take something that India doesn't have.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

Yes, only problem is USN is dominating Indian Ocean now no matter whatever you say. Chinese really can't take something that India doesn't have.

Wrong. No single power can dominate Indian Ocean without the support of India. That doesn't mean India owns Indian Ocean but still it is the geopolitical necessity.

 

[no smoking]

Wrong. No single power can dominate Indian Ocean without the support of India. That doesn't mean India owns Indian Ocean but still it is the geopolitical necessity.

When Iranian decided to disturb the oil transportation, it was American fleet coming to stop them;
When those Somali pirates threats the trading line, the world follows American leadership to intervene;
When Chinese was shipping their military equipment to Middle east clients, they need American's permission;

All these tell you who is controlling Indian Ocean now.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

When Iranian decided to disturb the oil transportation, it was American fleet coming to stop them;
When those Somali pirates threats the trading line, the world follows American leadership to intervene;
When Chinese was shipping their military equipment to Middle east clients, they need American's permission;

All these tell you who is controlling Indian Ocean now.

If USA is really capable to do these all alone by itself why do they need India, Japan and Australia's co-operation ?
Still "no single power can control any ocean in the world without the support of regional powers" doesn't change with your examples.

 

[no smoking]

If USA is really capable to do these all alone by itself why do they need India, Japan and Australia's co-operation ?
Still "no single power can control any ocean in the world without the support of regional powers" doesn't change with your examples.

Of course, they can! With a navy powerful than the rest of the world combine, they are fully capable to do all these alone. But, it doesn't mean they need to. Since Japan, Australia, etc, are the ones benefited from these, why not bring them in to share the cost?

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

Of course, they can! With a navy powerful than the rest of the world combine, they are fully capable to do all these alone. But, it doesn't mean they need to. Since Japan, Australia, etc, are the ones benefited from these, why not bring them in to share the cost?

One way or the another China is going to be the target for the next few years....

 

[no smoking]

One way or the another China is going to be the target for the next few years....

In West pacific? Yes!
In Indian Ocean? No.