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India holds the following trump card which Japan does not hold:

• The key to US’ success in Afghanistan – building the infrastructure, training the Afghan security forces, cooling off Iran so that the Indian built Chabahar port in Iran and the Highway into Afghanistan can be used so that Pakistan become redundant as a supply route.
• Laying off on Pakistan’s Eastern border so that Pakistan can pull out troops and apply them in the Swat Valley and NWFP.
• US investments in the Indian economic sector which is vast.
• India’s IT manpower.
• And the huge Indian defence purchase to shore up the US economy!
Give me a break. You're trying to persuade people that a port in Iran is going to be used by the Americans for their war in Afghanistan. That hardly makes India an essential partner.

US investments in Japan have been far greater than what it has ever put in India.

And regarding the Indian military purchases, look at this:



India's portion of the pie wasn't even large enough to be labelled.

Japan's military purchases are exclusively from the United States, while India's is not. Combine that fact with Japan's military budget being larger than India's, I think the US defense companies are more focused on Japan.


The largest and most influential Asian economies are in the North-East, and that's where Obama is going to focus. Correction: that's where he's already focusing on.
 

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Give me a break. You're trying to persuade people that a port in Iran is going to be used by the Americans for their war in Afghanistan. That hardly makes India an essential partner.

US investments in Japan have been far greater than what it has ever put in India.

And regarding the Indian military purchases, look at this:



India's portion of the pie wasn't even large enough to be labelled.

Japan's military purchases are exclusively from the United States, while India's is not. Combine that fact with Japan's military budget being larger than India's, I think the US defense companies are more focused on Japan.


The largest and most influential Asian economies are in the North-East, and that's where Obama is going to focus. Correction: that's where he's already focusing on.
Did you not find Obama wooing Iran? You got your break.
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Have you heard of the Indian Naval and Air Force upgrades that are millions in dollars?

You may like to Google and find out about the US having already upgraded the Indian Navy and the Air Force and having been paid in billions.

They are now vying with other European nations and Russia for the biggest military deal in the world for fighter aircraft required by the IAF.

So...

it will be labelled soon, if India kowtows as the rest! ;)

Can we have the link?

Are you a military man or a political analyst?

Chahbahar is the alternate route to Afghanistan and it will be without the problems of Taliban. So, would it not be worth US's interest to avoid the problems of running the gauntlet?
 

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Did you not find Obama wooing Iran? You got your break.
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Have you heard of the Indian Naval and Air Force upgrades that are millions in dollars?

You may like to Google and find out about the US having already upgraded the Indian Navy and the Air Force and having been paid in billions.

They are now vying with other European nations and Russia for the biggest military deal in the world for fighter aircraft required by the IAF.

So...

it will be labelled soon, if India kowtows as the rest! ;)

I'm sure then you believe that the Iranian populace will be receptive to an American troop presence...:113:

I acknowledge the large deals going on between the US and India, but it still is less than what Japan is spending on US companies.
 

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I'm sure then you believe that the Iranian populace will be receptive to an American troop presence...:113:

I acknowledge the large deals going on between the US and India, but it still is less than what Japan is spending on US companies.
Japan is spending on the US companies.

The US is spending on Indian subsidiaries.

That is the difference.

Obama was wooing Iran. It is the election that has skewed the works!

It is not troops presence, it is a transit route for goods!

A whole world of difference!

You must understand that if India carries the goods from Indian companies, then there is no hassle.

Further, Iran is not too enamoured with Sunni Pakistan. They are Shias with a historical animosity over Islamic supremacy. That is why Iran and India supported the Northern Alliance. They would be totally gleeful if the Sunni Pathan (Taliban) got a kicking! They are equally upset with the frug trade entering Iran!
 
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Why does the PLA have to watch India? Why does it have to fear India. As the Chinese say, PLA is very powerful, it has the best weapons, military budget that's many times Indias. It's industrial supply chain is better etc etc.
So what's the need?
There is a distinction between intent and capability. India is a worry because culturally and ideologically it has mutated into some sort of rabid anti-China cheerleading team. The Indian political establishment has made a decision to use China as a scapegoat for the hatred of its people, only when the Indians are united in hatred of China can they overcome their religious, political, economic and other differences that threaten to tear India apart.

To China, India is like the 12 year old kid next door that is constantly conspiring to do it ill. It's annoying, and a little bit of a threat. Fact is, China has other issues to worry about. India is a distraction from these other issues. But when China decides the time has come to settle problems with India, the outcome is not in any doubt.
 
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They are Chinese trucks.
He thought the article was about PLA literally "watching" India on a big screen. LOL.

That era has disappeared, Ray.

"By contrast, the best can be said about Obama's Asia policy is that it seeks to nurture key bilateral relationships — with China at the core of Washington's present courtship — and establish, where possible, trilateral relationships.

The upshot of this is that the Obama team has just unveiled a new trilateral security-cooperation framework in Asia involving the United States, China and Japan. While announcing this initiative, the Obama administration has failed to acknowledge another trilateral — the one involving the U.S., Japan and India.

It is as if the U.S.-Japan-India trilateral has fallen out of favor with the new U.S. administration, just as the broader U.S.-India-Japan-Australia "Quadrilateral Initiative" — founded on the concept of democratic peace and conceived by then Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe — ran aground after the late-2007 election of Kevin Rudd as the Australian prime minister. Without forewarning New Delhi or Tokyo, the Sinophile Rudd publicly pulled the plug on that nascent initiative, which had held only one meeting.

Now the Obama administration seems intent to bring down the U.S.-Japan-India trilateral. While announcing the new U.S.-China-Japan trilateral, it did not forget to cite the U.S.-Australia-Japan and U.S.-Japan-South Korea trilaterals. But there was no mention of the U.S.-Japan-India trilateral, as if that Bush-endorsed enterprise had become history like Bush."


Article is from the Japan Times.
The Obama administration came into office seeing that India was quickly going down the path of Georgia.

The Bush administration was good at finding regimes that they could fool into hostilities against a strategic rival. Georgia was one of these. All the US had to do was sell some arms and pretend to ally with it.

India fit the situation perfectly since it was already accustomed to obeying an English-speaking oceanic superpower for centuries. It would be easy for the US to turn India into the American Raj. On top of that, India grossly overestimates its own capability, meaning it would not hesitate to act aggressively.

The problem is when countries like Georgia get to the point where they really believe their propaganda and really think they can take on Russia. The US cannot fully control them and ends up looking impotent.

When Obama came into office, he saw India going down that path, and decided to reverse course with India. He saw this as good for US not to have unstable allies and also a way to keep China happy.
 
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Like I said, any US prescence (besides training) is probably long gone with the Bush Administration. Obama is pulling away from military ties with India.
I don't think you are an authority to be commenting on US-India military relations.
 

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Oh look, another moronic thread with a bunch of retarded claims and pics with fokupoku language that doesn't make any sense whatsoever (if we cared enough).

Can someone post a thread with a nuke missile pic with caption "India is waiting to shove it up China's" as well now?

Can some mods close this thread or better yet, delete it like last one badguy posted?
 
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India-US Military Partnership Enters Next Phase


Obama increasing India military ties

India-US Military Partnership Enters Next Phase


By Jason Overdorf | GlobalPost

NEW DELHI -- With India's new government firmly in place, a top U.S. envoy landed in New Delhi Wednesday to discuss some key pacts to remove roadblocks for arms and aerospace companies keen to tap this country's $30 billion market for military hardware.

United States Undersecretary for Political Affairs William Burns visits New Delhi and Mumbai from June 10 to 13 to meet senior government officials and industry leaders and discuss "a broad agenda to further strengthen the partnership between the United States and India," according to a State Department spokesman.

Following last year's pivotal Indo-U.S. nuclear agreement, which freed India from limitations on technology transfer imposed after its Pokhran-II nuclear test in 1998, the two nations need to hammer out an agreement that will allow U.S. companies to sell arms and high-end military electronics to India. Now that India's political left is out of the equation following last month's elections, Indian defense analysts expect these pacts to go through smoothly. India has a powerful desire to upgrade its military hardware and U.S. defense companies are more keen than ever to tap its potentially huge market -- which could be worth as much as $80 billion by 2020.

According to Rahul Bedi, India correspondent for Jane's Defence Weekly, India has already started the ball rolling for some big purchases from Boeing and Lockheed Martin, including 126 multi-role combat aircraft, eight maritime reconnaissance aircraft, 22 attack helicopters, 15 heavy lift helicopters and a Patriot missile defense system.

The completion of these deals would mark a substantial shift in India's military spending. "Broadly, India's largest supplier remains Russia," said Bedi. "The second-largest over the last eight or nine years has been Israel. The U.S. is the new kid on the block."

But there is more at stake than money. "An arms sale purchase relationship is a long-term relationship, and that has a political commitment to it as well," said Dipankar Banerjee, a retired major general in the Indian army who is now a defense analyst with the New Delhi-based Institute for Peace and Conflict Studies. "If an aircraft is purchased, it has to last three to five decades, so that relationship remains, not only between companies, but also it leads to a type of partnership between companies and countries that are important, are long-term, and are in the interest of both countries to sustain."


Laying the groundwork for a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in July, Burns will also be keen to discuss two more controversial pacts, a logistical support agreement (LSA) similar to the one the U.S. has signed with the members of NATO and the proliferation security initiative (PSI), which is intended to prevent the spread of technologies used in nuclear arms and weapons of mass destruction. Both of these agreements faced heavy opposition from India's communist parties.

According to analysts at New Delhi's Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, the LSA would require both countries to provide their bases, fuel and other kinds of logistics support to each others' fighter jets and naval warships. The left believed that this arrangement would compel India to adopt America's foreign policy goals and participate in its military adventures, but defense analysts say that is not how similar agreements with NATO countries have played out. Similarly, under the PSI, the Indian Navy would potentially be required to board and search vessels suspected of transporting sensitive nuclear technologies in the Indian Ocean.

"We should have an understanding on the PSI sooner rather than later," said Banerjee. "It started off with only a small number of countries, and India was asked to adhere to some of its regulations. But India would like to be part of the organization that sets out the rules. That is the primary issue involved in the PSI."

The stickiest part of the discussions won't have anything to do with Indo-U.S. agreements, however. India aims to wring some promises out of Burns (and, later, Clinton) regarding the ongoing U.S. operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where New Delhi perceives its interests are being undermined by America's eagerness to end the war on terror.

India is expected to take a tough line on the recent release of Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed -- which New Delhi cites as evidence of the emptiness of Pakistan's promise to crack down on terrorists using it as a base of operations. And officials will also express concerns about the large military aid package that Washington has offered Islamabad as an incentive to take the fight to the Taliban on Pakistan's eastern border. India argues that Pakistan has in the past used U.S. aid to bulk up the conventional hardware it would need in a military confrontation with India, rather than the quick-strike gear needed for fighting terrorists.
 
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U.S Special Forces to Hold Joint Exercises with Indian Army in Ladakh | India Defence

U.S Special Forces to Hold Joint Exercises with Indian Army in Ladakh

After the Royal Marines, the US marines will also be holding a joint military exercise with the Indian Army in Ladakh. US Army Chief General George Casey along with his Indian counterpart Deepak Kapoor visited Ladakh and its adjoining areas to select the location where the Indo-US military exercises would be held.

"Dates for these joint exercises could be decided only after the US Army chief will get satisfied with the venues for these exercises," Defence spokesman, Lt Col Anil Mathur told reporters.

The visiting US General Casey was briefed about different venues and glacial peaks in Ladakh by the senior formation commanders of the Army. Mathur said the aim behind the joint exercise would be to impart warfare techniques to each other especially in handling mountain warfare. "The joint exercise would be small and could take place at the company level," he said.

The mountainous region of Ladakh assumes significance for the joint exercise as its terrain resembles that of the mountainous regions of Afghanistan, where the US marines are fighting Taliban and Al Qaeda militants as part of the NATO peace force. Sources said the aim behind the exercise is to learn from the military experiences of Indian troops, who have been dealing with insurgency for the past two decades.

Earlier in 2006, Indian and US Special Forces held mountain warfare exercises in the same region close to the China border. Pakistan, already had expressed annoyance over the visit of US Army chief to the Siachen glacier. However, it is not clear whether General Casey visited Siachen or not. The defence spokesman denied General Casey’s visit to Siachen.

"He (Casey) only visited Ladakh, not Siachen," said Mathur.
Last year, the UK marines were in Ladakh to participate in a similar joint exercise. The exercises were held for three weeks in September.
 

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Laying the groundwork for a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in July, Burns will also be keen to discuss two more controversial pacts, a logistical support agreement (LSA) similar to the one the U.S. has signed with the members of NATO and the proliferation security initiative (PSI), which is intended to prevent the spread of technologies used in nuclear arms and weapons of mass destruction. Both of these agreements faced heavy opposition from India's communist parties.

According to analysts at New Delhi's Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, the LSA would require both countries to provide their bases, fuel and other kinds of logistics support to each others' fighter jets and naval warships. The left believed that this arrangement would compel India to adopt America's foreign policy goals and participate in its military adventures, but defense analysts say that is not how similar agreements with NATO countries have played out. Similarly, under the PSI, the Indian Navy would potentially be required to board and search vessels suspected of transporting sensitive nuclear technologies in the Indian Ocean.
Looks like chini spies are getting their panties in a bunch over PLA. Will probably become a problem with them supplying illegal hardware to every possible terrorist in the region.
 

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Oooh. Scary. What's the point of this thread again?
 

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Sammy,
what a comparison. India and Georgia. Shows your intelligence.
China is what it is in the last couple of decades. India has known the power game since the birth of civilization. India had the largest GDP in the world till the British came and sucked it. It's you who had to bear the mongols and had theneed to build the great wall and even that was scaled. India knows the responsibilities of power. Your people can't digest your newly found strength and go Tom tomming everywhere.And you think it's India that's a 12 yrs old.
If not for a pacifist love thy neighbor policy that is ingrained in the Indian psyche, you would have got s bloody nose long back.
The PLA is not as foolish as you in their thoughts and that's why they are concerned. And your leadership would not have billions in circling with the "pearls". They know the Indian potential is more than the 12 yrs old that you dream about.
 

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If people want to discuss a Chinese redponse to Indian build up, then it's fine. Otherwise this thread will be closed. We have had enough of discussions about the current Chinese might and it's illusions in other threads.
 

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Oooh. Scary. What's the point of this thread again?
:D:D
I was going to post that !

And if PLA is watching India, what's the big deal ? Its their duty to watch their rival. We are doing the same.
 

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My my, what perfectly aligned they are, looks like its a single organism.

And what crisp new uniforms, with the shiny shiny lcd monitors, triple projector screen and the camoflage tables(i suppose they smell the indian flies on the walls and wish to confuse them with the superior chinese camouflage tables).

It looks like they still have arunachal pradesh mapped as their territory, we must be careful of this, the PLA has always been of the expansionist mindset, from taiwan to the southsea, and to our own borders.
 

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It that was me i would have opened up hearts or solitaire or oooo... mine sweeper and clicked away to glory as all the other chaps watched trucks moving from point A to point B.


:(( i suppose that makes me not fit for the superior PLA which requires mind numbing concentration and abilities to watch things move from Point A to Point B.
I want to sit in that AC presentation room, looks more cosy than my last office.
 

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It that was me i would have opened up hearts or solitaire or oooo... mine sweeper and clicked away to glory as all the other chaps watched trucks moving from point A to point B.


:(( i suppose that makes me not fit for the superior PLA which requires mind numbing concentration and abilities to watch things move from Point A to Point B.
I want to sit in that AC presentation room, looks more cosy than my last office.
And you'll be caught on the CCTV playing minesweeper and be banished from the People's Army for disrupting the discipline and decorum of such an esteemed organization. :)
 

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@Yusuf,

I personally think this thread is pointless and a complete waste of precious time, memory and efforts.
 

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