China LOSES claim on South China Sea at UN-backed Tribunal, threatens WAR

[adrenalin]

China rejects US advise to follow India's example over South China Sea row

 

[adrenalin]

shameless communists support terror country pakis, support terrorists in northeast, eats noodles and think they are vikings. i am waiting for next war with china, we will thrash them so bad, they will be like somalia till they exist. already indian army have plans to take back tibet in case of war.

 

[A chauhan]

Self delete ! Double post................

 

[rock127]

China LOSES Claim On South China Sea At UN-Backed Tribunal, threatens WAR

China has 'no historic rights' in South China Sea, rules tribunal

BEIJING — An international tribunal in The Hague delivered a sweeping rebuke on Tuesday of China’s behavior in the South China Sea, including its construction of artificial islands, and found that its expansive claim to sovereignty over the waters had no legal basis.

The landmark case, brought by the Philippines, was seen as an important crossroads in China’s rise as a global power and in its rivalry with the United States, and it could force Beijing to reconsider its assertive tactics in the region or risk being labeled an international outlaw. It was the first time the Chinese government had been summoned before the international justice system.

In its most significant finding, the tribunal rejected China’s argument that it enjoys historic rights over most of the South China Sea. That could give the governments of Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam more leverage in their own maritime disputes with Beijing.

The tribunal also said that China had violated international law by causing “irreparable harm” to the marine environment, endangering Philippine ships and interfering with Philippine fishing and oil exploration.

“It’s an overwhelming victory. We won on every significant point,” said the Philippines’ chief counsel in the case, Paul S. Reichler.

But while the decision is legally binding, there is no mechanism for enforcing it, and China, which refused to participate in the tribunal’s proceedings, reiterated on Tuesday that it would not abide by it.

Speaking at a meeting with European leaders, President Xi Jinping was defiant, reasserting China’s claim to sovereignty over the South China Sea “since ancient times,” the state-run People’s Daily reported. His remarks echoed a statement from the Foreign Ministry. The tribunal’s decision “is invalid and has no binding force,” the ministry said. “China does not accept or recognize it.”

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The foreign secretary of the Philippines, Perfecto Yasay Jr., welcomed the ruling as “significant” and called on “all those concerned to exercise restraint and sobriety.”
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HYPOCRISY of China exposed.

It cried a lot about rules and regulations of UN in entry of India in NSG and now not accepting UN resolution itself.

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[rock127]

Can we please change the title of this thread to actual situation before Chinese propagandist start referring to DFI speaking exactly they are paid for ?

@Yusuf @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @sayareakd

The thread title needs to be changed!!!

These Chinese and Pakis are running all over internet and creating nonsense/factless threads as directed by their Communist/ISI. The recent gigantic HMT science invention by pakis turned out to be another fake news to divert attention from a Paki who attacked Prophet's mosque.

It should read like "China LOSES the right to South China Sea" or "China has 'no historic rights' in South China Sea, rules tribunal".

@Yusuf @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @sayareakd

I created a thread below so we can discuss it and ask MODS to make the below thread main and merge other
posts.DFI SHOULD not become a platform for Paki/Chinese FALSE NEWS propaganda.

China LOSES claim on South China Sea at UN-backed Tribunal, threatens WAR

 

[rock127]

By Historic records China(1000 BCE Zhou Dynasty) should be STRIPPED of 80% of the land it occupies.

There needs to be 100 China policy instead of 1 China Policy if we start analyzing Chinese history.

This is Historic map of China.



@amoy @Martian

 

[asianobserve]

The most immediate consequence of this ruling is on the applicability of the US-Phil Mutual Defense Treaty. Since the UNLCOS Tribunal ruled that none of the artificial islands or islands occupied by China in the disputed area are capable of generating its own EEZ, this area is within the Philippines' EEZ. Now, if China attacks any Philippine military asset within the EEZ of the Philippines then it will automatically trigger the US-Phil MDT because legally the Philippines has every right to be there and the Philippines will not be provoking China (since that area is within its EEZ).

Things are becoming very interesting indeed in the South Philippine Sea. Overall, tiny Philippines has dealt a massive Davidisque blow to Goliath China. Hurrah!

The Mutual Defense Treaty Between the Republic of the Philippines and the United States of America was signed on August 30, 1951 in Washington, D.C. between representatives of the Philippines and the United States. The overall accord contained eight articles and dictated that both nations would support each other if either the Philippines or the United States were to be attacked by an external party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_States_–_Philippines)

BTW, both Spratlys and Scarborough Shoals are within range of HIMARS from mainland (and the US has already prepositioned HIMARS on the Philippines with the Philippines intending to buy its own HIMARS). The Philippines is the battle group in the South China Sea against China.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

LOL, what the hell they are trying to prove?:biggrin2: @Akask kumar @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @Navnit Kundu @abingdonboy
Chinese paper shows India among nations supporting it on South China Sea

 

[Indx TechStyle]

By Historic records China(1000 BCE Zhou Dynasty) should be STRIPPED of 80% of the land it occupies.

There needs to be 100 China policy instead of 1 China Policy if we start analyzing Chinese history.

This is Historic map of China.



@amoy @Martian

LOL, what the hell they are trying to prove?:biggrin2:
Chinese paper shows India among nations supporting it on South China Sea

 

[HariPrasad-1]

China LOSES Claim On South China Sea At UN-Backed Tribunal, threatens WAR

China has 'no historic rights' in South China Sea, rules tribunal

BEIJING — An international tribunal in The Hague delivered a sweeping rebuke on Tuesday of China’s behavior in the South China Sea, including its construction of artificial islands, and found that its expansive claim to sovereignty over the waters had no legal basis.

The landmark case, brought by the Philippines, was seen as an important crossroads in China’s rise as a global power and in its rivalry with the United States, and it could force Beijing to reconsider its assertive tactics in the region or risk being labeled an international outlaw. It was the first time the Chinese government had been summoned before the international justice system.

In its most significant finding, the tribunal rejected China’s argument that it enjoys historic rights over most of the South China Sea. That could give the governments of Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam more leverage in their own maritime disputes with Beijing.

The tribunal also said that China had violated international law by causing “irreparable harm” to the marine environment, endangering Philippine ships and interfering with Philippine fishing and oil exploration.

“It’s an overwhelming victory. We won on every significant point,” said the Philippines’ chief counsel in the case, Paul S. Reichler.

But while the decision is legally binding, there is no mechanism for enforcing it, and China, which refused to participate in the tribunal’s proceedings, reiterated on Tuesday that it would not abide by it.

Speaking at a meeting with European leaders, President Xi Jinping was defiant, reasserting China’s claim to sovereignty over the South China Sea “since ancient times,” the state-run People’s Daily reported. His remarks echoed a statement from the Foreign Ministry. The tribunal’s decision “is invalid and has no binding force,” the ministry said. “China does not accept or recognize it.”

Continue reading the main story
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• 
  
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• 
  
  China Promoting Tourism for Disputed Paracel Islands MAY 28, 2016
• 
  
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• 
  
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The foreign secretary of the Philippines, Perfecto Yasay Jr., welcomed the ruling as “significant” and called on “all those concerned to exercise restraint and sobriety.”
========================================================================================
HYPOCRISY of China exposed.

It cried a lot about rules and regulations of UN in entry of India in NSG and now not accepting UN resolution itself.

@Abhijat @A chauhan @Alien @alphacentury @Ancient Indian @anupamsurey @Bharat Ek Khoj @blueblood @brational @Bangalorean @Blackwater @Bornubus @bose @cobra commando @DingDong @DFI_COAS @ersakthivel @fooLIam @gpawar @guru-dutt @hit&run @HariPrasad-1 @Indx TechStyle @jackprince @Kharavela @Illusive @I_PLAY_BAD
@LETHALFORCE @Lions Of Punjab @maomao @Mad Indian @OneGrimPilgrim @Peter @pmaitra @porky_kicker @Razor @raja696 @Rowdy @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @saty @sydsnyper @Srinivas_K @Screambowl @sorcerer @Simple_Guy @Sylex21 @wickedone @tarunraju @TrueSpirit2 @thethinker @vayuu1 @VIP @Vishwarupa @VIP @Varahamihira @roma

China is a rogue nation. It has made its citizens slave and now they want to control more and more geographical location to exploit it to become more mightier. So tribunal has only said what was known to everybody and which is a fact. However, the downfall of china has started. It is very much necessary that whole world should boycott china and chinese goods. Their export dependent economy will start shrinking. It is very much necessary to make china shrink economically because they are converting their economic power into military power rapidly. The best way for India is to emerge as the option of china so that world may get an alternate and they may dump china.

 

[amoy]

The most immediate consequence of this ruling is on the applicability of the US-Phil Mutual Defense Treaty. Since the UNLCOS Tribunal ruled that none of the artificial islands or islands occupied by China in the disputed area are capable of generating its own EEZ, this area is within the Philippines' EEZ. Now, if China attacks any Philippine military asset within the EEZ of the Philippines then it will automatically trigger the US-Phil MDT because legally the Philippines has every right to be there and the Philippines will not be provoking China (since that area is within its EEZ).

Things are becoming very interesting indeed in the South Philippine Sea. Overall, tiny Philippines has dealt a massive Davidisque blow to Goliath China. Hurrah!

BTW, both Spratlys and Scarborough Shoals are within range of HIMARS from mainland (and the US has already prepositioned HIMARS on the Philippines with the Philippines intending to buy its own HIMARS). The Philippines is the battle group in the South China Sea against China.

Nah Never shall one have too much faith in that "mutual defence" treaty. Time and again proxies have to prove its own worth to patrons otherwise can't escape the fate of being dumped not the vice versa.

Just draw a parallel to the contested Diaoyu - US openly declared that the islands fell under the security treaty. Woefully what has happened when Chinese patorl waters off Diaoyu repeatedly?

US asserts that it takes no side on the territorial dispute. What it is concerned is "freedom of navigation" -- See how a mature superpower plays the game?

What would be cards in hand if Filipina keeps on cornering China? Possibly
aa. China starts the construction on Huangyan (Scaborough)
bb. China declares ADIZ over SCS

In that case PH govmt would become very very humiliated. The escalation would expose impotence of the treaty as well as the new administration since it could do nothing in response even with HIMARS!

David could hit Goliath only in a myth. Filipina could only raise a hue and cry to no avail. UNSC P5 are the rule setters - live with this fact!

WikiLeaks cables: Mauritius sues UK for control of Chagos islands

 

[Razor]

LOL, what the hell they are trying to prove?:biggrin2: @Akask kumar @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @Navnit Kundu @abingdonboy
Chinese paper shows India among nations supporting it on South China Sea

Delusional cheenies. They claim a full sea and expect people to "support" them

The stage is set to justify the moral and ethical rights of nations that are opposed to cheenistan. Hopefully the SCS, ECS etc keeps it busy
Meanwhile it looks like the best the 50 centers are able cough up is P5 P5 P5.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

LOL, what the hell they are trying to prove?:biggrin2: @Akask kumar @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @Navnit Kundu @abingdonboy
Chinese paper shows India among nations supporting it on South China Sea

There might be some truth to that. We don't know what agreement Doval and Parrikar made during their respective visits but I remember that China had said in official state media last week that India is trying to milk both China and US, or something to that effect. So, it seems India has made some formal commitments to China (which only the establishment knows about) maybe about not indulging in an active war against China over SCS but restricting our participation to just doing joint patrols (maybe in exchange for some concessions relating to Pakistan). So China keeps reminding us through these indirect taunts to make our establishment come clean on our official stance.

One thing we all know for sure is that India will never antagonize China to the extent of US. From our point of view, US is no different than China, neither of them are our wellwishers, so we have no stake in sacrificing our own soldiers to help one party annihilate the other, because what happens when China is gone? US will come for us! Even if a war doesn't happen, joining a US coalition is tantamount to surrendering our strategic autonomy and becoming a junior partner. What happens when US starts occupying Vietnam and Philippines under the pretext of fighting China? will the US not be in a position to threaten our maritime trade and use it as a blackmail tactic? (remember 1971?) It will be a classic case of "aasman se gire, aur khajur pe atke".

Why do people assume that the US will be friendlier to us than China? We will get a better deal if we send our war machinery to Vietnam and handle it our own way instead of letting US make inroads and build permanent bases here. We are all suffering the consequences of the US making inroads in the Af-Pak region, we don't want the same to happen in the ASEAN region. We should co-operate with China to keep US out of S.E Asia, in exchange, it will free up strategic resources for us to break Pakistan and remove US influence from our western border. India, China, Russia can jointly agree on what the new order in Asia would look like after Pakistan is fragmented. In essence, US will be ousted from the Asian great game. Once this broader framework is agreed upon, we can sort our LAC border issues with China among ourselves. That is not an urgent matter now. Pakistan is; The same Pakistan to which US is dying to provide more weapons and aid. US is the real enemy.

@asianobserve Don't get too excited about the US-Phli mutual defense treaty. What it means is that the US will send troops to your country and occupy your land on the pretext of helping you fight China (just like NATO has done with Europe). You are basically volunteering to being colonized by the US for the fear of being colonized by China. We all know what happens when US troops occupy a land, they never leave! they will sit there, they will bribe your politicians and defense establishment to manufacture public opinion to make sure that they never have to vacate your nation. Japan is learning it the hard way. They will sit on your land and provoke China just to keep the Chinese threat alive in your minds and use it to extend US occupation.

 

[asianobserve]

Nah Never shall one have too much faith in that "mutual defence" treaty. Time and again proxies have to prove its own worth to patrons otherwise can't escape the fate of being dumped not the vice versa.

Well, it should be clear to you Chinese now that it is the US that has been the driving force behind the decision to arbitrate on UNCLOS. Note that when China forcibly took Scarborough Shoal in 2012 the Phils turned to the US. But the latter could not forcibly intervene without a clear legal basis that that area is indeed Philippine sovereign territory. So what did the US do? Advised the Philippines to go to the Hague to seek a binding legal pronouncement that the area is indeed under Philippine sovereignty. Now that the Hague has spoken clearly in favor of the Philippines then expect a more forceful US response in that area.

The only thing that the US and the Aquino administration did not foresee is the rise of China's Manchurian candidate Duterte. But even Duterte has now very limited space to maneuver in favor of China because of the ruling. The Philippine Constitution clearly prohibits joint-sharing of sovereignty and use of Philippine territories, including EEZ. So Duterte is in very real danger of impeachment if he legitimizes China's territorial grab. Moreover, he knows that the Philippine public is overwhelmingly in support of Aquino's handling of this crisis, ie. tough stance on China.

Just draw a parallel to the contested Diaoyu - US openly declared that the islands fell under the security treaty. Woefully what has happened when Chinese patorl waters off Diaoyu repeatedly?

US asserts that it takes no side on the territorial dispute. What it is concerned is "freedom of navigation" -- See how a mature superpower plays the game?

Unlike Japan, there is no more "territorial dispute" to talk about in the case of the Philippines. The UNCLOS Tribunal ruling has clearly defined the full extent of Philippine sovereignty and EEZ. China's claim has been completely debunked.

The US can openly challenge China now in the SOuth Philippine Sea in the guise of aiding the Philippines.

What would be cards in hand if Filipina keeps on cornering China? Possibly
aa. China starts the construction on Huangyan (Scaborough)
bb. China declares ADIZ over SCS

In that case PH govmt would become very very humiliated. The escalation would expose impotence of the treaty as well as the new administration since it could do nothing in response even with HIMARS!

David could hit Goliath only in a myth. Filipina could only raise a hue and cry to no avail. UNSC P5 are the rule setters - live with this fact!

WikiLeaks cables: Mauritius sues UK for control of Chagos islands

Well, as I said, things are about to get more exciting indeed. And cry as you like, this issue has really turned into a David versus Goliath episode. Of course in our case behind David is Iron Man...

 

[Martian]

Well, it should be clear to you Chinese now that it is the US that has been the driving force behind the decision to arbitrate on UNCLOS. Note that when China forcibly took Scarborough Shoal in 2012 the Phils turned to the US. But the latter could not forcibly intervene without a clear legal basis that that area is indeed Philippine sovereign territory. So what did the US do? Advised the Philippines to go to the Hague to seek a binding legal pronouncement that the area is indeed under Philippine sovereignty. Now that the Hague has spoken clearly in favor of the Philippines then expect a more forceful US response in that area.

The only thing that the US and the Aquino administration did not foresee is the rise of China's Manchurian candidate Duterte. But even Duterte has now very limited space to maneuver in favor of China because of the ruling. The Philippine Constitution clearly prohibits joint-sharin of sovereignty and use of Philippine territories, including EEZ. So Duterte has very real danger of impeachment if he legitimizes China's territorial grab. Moreover, the Philippine publis is overwhelmingly in support of Aquino's handling of this crisis.




Unlike Japan, there is no more "territorial dispute" to talk about anymore in the case of the Philippines. The UNCLOS Tribunal ruling has clearly defined the full extent of Philippine sovereignty and EEZ. China's claim has been completely debunked.

The US can openly challenge China now in the SOuth Philippine Sea in the guise of aiding the Philippines.




Well, as I said, things are about to get more exciting indeed. And cry as you like, this issue has really turned into a David versus Goliath episode. Of course in our case behind David is Iron Man...

The United States government hasn't said anything about the South China Sea opinion. They're afraid of provoking China. You shouldn't expect too much from the US government. They're not willing to fight for the South China Sea. However, China is.

 

[asianobserve]

The United States government hasn't said anything about the South China Sea opinion. They're afraid of provoking China. You shouldn't expect too much from the US government. They're not willing to fight for the South China Sea. However, China is.

Why would the US government leave HIMARS in Palawan, which is the closest Philippine island to the Spratlys, and in Tarlac, close to Scarborough Shore? The US has also stationed Growlers and and rotating other assets in Subic. Since China forcibly took Scarborough Shoal the US has been slowly building capabilities in the Philippines through a new bases agreement (which is more sweeping that the old Subic base agreement since the US military can now operate in any of the Philippine military facilities it deem fit).

The only depressing weak link here now is on the Philippine side, in the form of China's idiot in Malacanang, Duterte.

 

[Martian]

Why would the US government leave HIMARS in Palawan, which is the closest Philippine island to the Spratlys, and in Tarlac, close to Scarborough Shore? The US has also stationed Growlers and and rotating other assets in Subic. Since China forcibly took Scarborough Shoal the US has been slowly building capabilities in the Philippines through a new bases agreement (which is more sweeping that the old Subic base agreement since the US military can now operate in any of the Philippine military facilities it deem fit).

The only depressing weak link here now is on the Philippine side, in the form of China's idiot in Malacanang, Duterte.

You know that nothing has changed, right?

You Filipinos still can't fish in the South China Sea.

The PLA Navy is out there.

 

[asianobserve]

You know that nothing has changed, right?

You Filipinos still can't fish in the South China Sea.

The PLA Navy is out there.

Oh please. A tectonic plate has just shifted and swallowed whole China's nine-dash line fantasy in the entire West Philippine Sea a.k.a. South China Sea. Everybody is celebrating this momentous Hague ruling from Tokyo to Jakarta (most are celebrating silently like the Philippines to avoid appearing to taunt China which is the whole neighborhood's biggest trading partner).

 

[Martian]

Oh please. A tectonic plate has just shifted and swallowed whole China's nine-dash line fantasy in the entire West Philippine Sea a.k.a. South China Sea. Everybody is celebrating this momentous Hague ruling from Tokyo to Jakarta (most are celebrating silently like the Philippines to avoid appearing to taunt China which is the whole neighborhood's biggest trading partner).

I disagree. You've got nothing.

China's UNSC permanent veto means the UNCLOS opinion will never become international law. It's worth nothing.

The PLA Navy is still out there controlling the waters of the South China Sea.

You Filipinos still can't fish inside the nine-dash-lines.

China has physical control of the South China Sea islands and maritime territory. A bunch of old men sitting in a Dutch courtroom has no effect on the South China Sea. The Chinese are the only presence in the South China Sea.

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How do you plan on getting past this?

 

[asianobserve]

I disagree. You've got nothing.

China's UNSC permanent veto means the UNCLOS opinion will never become international law. It's worth nothing.

The PLA Navy is still out there controlling the waters of the South China Sea.

You Filipinos still can't fish inside the nine-dash-lines.

Typical Chinese, an obnoxious ignoramus. The decision is not a mere opinion as it is a binding ruling under the settlement mechanism of UNCLOS which China is a part of (Did your country pulled out of UNCLOS? No? So it is bound by it). Go read first before you start typing comments here. Your ignorant rants is an insult to the intelligence of the members of this forum.