China has military presence in Gilgit-Baltistan (PoK)

[hit&run]

I am impressed how Chinese functional aphasia has worked well against India for last 60 years. I am surprised to see that Indian politics reacts only to what Chinese say or do officially but live in their own wonderland of all is well otherwise. I am sorry to say India do not have determination even to understand Chinese psychic at least, what preemptively India should do is like betting everything on a tortoise running against a hare who is alert like never before.
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1.What is wrong with crossing LOC and claiming what we deserve.
2. What is wrong with signing a security pact with Afghanistan and stationing all branches in Afghanistan for next 20 years at key strategic key points (hopelessly India can not even groom a friend in its favor...Lack of confidence!).
3.What is wrong with consolidating sea lanes with high saturation of sea transportation to Afghanistan for logistics (one must read word war II and battles of Atlantic before commenting any hypothetical scenario ''In case of war with Pakistan'').
4. What is wrong with confronting aggressive proxy (Pak) head on than cunning master China, Na rahega banse na baje ge bansari. Why India is waiting for an excuse to attack them, I mean excuses and opportunities can be crafted otherwise others will take them.

This is what China has been doing by needling/punishing us without provocation with pathetic excuse and pathetic GoI ready to introspect on what Chinese says to escape backlash from India lol or international communities every time (sign of a pulp/soft state).

 

[Ray]

Nothing wrong actually.

It just requires the political will, which is obviously missing!

I really cannot understand why we have to bend backwards to all and sundry!

I think it is better to state one's will and play it along. That is what China does and does so successfully!

Is someone fishing for the Nobel Prize?

 

[prototype]

the answer is nothing,we cant do anything about it rather than watching,about China as far as i think their force deployment is only to protect their energy lines

 

[tarunraju]

We should give nukes to vietnam...that'll make the chinese shit in there pants.

I know its unrealistic.

If we proliferate nukes, our nuke deal will be 'nuked'.

 

[ajtr]

Pakistan's Chinese built tunnels exposed. This is a google earth image dated May 31 2010 of the Hopar glacier with the tunnels and roads under construction. One tunnel is seen complete with a road going into it.
As mentioned elsewhere by someone who has access to 'Cartosat 2B' imagery, the tunnels and the roads are bang on the edge of the Glacier, not a very brilliant idea, whoever planned this. If this is a military installation, any attack on the area will cause the glacier to become unstable, and the tunnels to collapse in the ensuing landslides. As it is the area's geology doesn't seem to be solid rock, but more like sandy and rocky in bits.

Thx to Gagan @BR

 

[Solid Beast]

India needs to magnify what China is doing to the region via Pakistan. The civilized world will start listening then when they see India is not referring to old Pak-Hind rivalry and nations will mobilize to counter the renewed threat of extreme socialism. We need to make our case that China is the USSR of today, and needs to be put in its damn place.

 

[SHASH2K2]

If we proliferate nukes, our nuke deal will be 'nuked'.

What action was taken against china for nuclear proliferation. If it cannot be proved that we directly assisted Vietnam no one can do anything about it . Vietnam is already an NSG member so they can easily procure necessary materials fro any country.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

the answer is nothing,we cant do anything about it rather than watching,about China as far as i think their force deployment is only to protect their energy lines

Energy lines?
Its the old stratergy made by PA and PLA, IA always said before " IF we lose kashmir IA will be fighting a hopeless war aginst both PA & PLA.. " ..
Looking into the situation they will be expanding their railways in north POK, To establish more infrastrucher and support..

We need more police in cities and well armed troops at borders..
Rest is upto the god..

 

[anoop_mig25]

i reduce our chances of capturing PoK-Gilgit-Baltistan although our policy makers were never inclined to take back our land back. they lack foresights which Pakistan policy makers had that why they captured the said region . if ever our policy makers in their private discussion had threatened their Pakistan counterpart Pakistan would never had demand or spread terrorism within Kashmir.but alash our policy in their private never did but were always insisting on converting loc into IB. this showed lack of our policymakers will towards taking back our land .

now lets us accept the fact that we had lost and there would be no opportunity in future of tacking back our land . indian strategic planners/analyst should forget it.our policy maker had already forgettoen it . Chinese army is not going to leave that strategic region and this is there first military region outside there mainland although they wont declare it publicly

 

[Illusive]

I think India should violate the POK regions airspace to upset the chinese in the region, warning the Chinese govt. to stop its activities in the disputed region, also India should get Dalai lama to act to piss China further.

The road to Pakistan through POK is bad news for India since in a two front war it would mean easy mobility of troops to and fro China. If India can't anything now then it would mean China won't have to depend on the seas which would have gives us an advantage in a case of war with China.Its not the time to say 'its not the right time' , its now or never situation.

 

[Illusive]

Energy lines?
Its the old stratergy made by PA and PLA, IA always said before " IF we lose kashmir IA will be fighting a hopeless war aginst both PA & PLA.. " ..
Looking into the situation they will be expanding their railways in north POK, To establish more infrastrucher and support..

We need more police in cities and well armed troops at borders..
Rest is upto the god..

You mean we sit back and do nothing, thats what the GOI has been doing, no wonder the people in Kashmir are unhappy cause if India can't handle a state how can it handle China who are taking best advantage of their friendship with those suckers.

 

[amoy]

Many of the PLA soldiers entering Gilgit-Baltistan are expected to work on the railroad. Some are extending the Karakoram Highway, built to link China's Xinjiang province with Pakistan. Others are working on dams, expressways and other project," the paper said. It said that mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations, where even Pakistanis are barred. Tunnels would be necessary for a projected gas pipeline from Iran to China that would cross the Karakorams through Gilgit.
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the above, still subject to verification, really shows Sino-Pak partnership takes up some substance now

 

[Yusuf]

The move has serious implications and reveals sinister designs of China against India coupled with the facts that it has more or less made up its mind in saying Kashmir is not part of India vis a vis the visa issues.

What it means that any future war on the western front will mean direct confrontation with the chinese. We can forget about GB completely now if the Chinese have already moved a division level force there. It is all making sense now of a greater design by Pak and China. First Pak assimilated GB into Pak and now has got the chinese in. The world has to take notice of this especially the US which is blindly funding Pak who is more loyal to China than the US.

India i think has to firmly respond to this. I think moving on Tibet to make it disputed would be the first step. India has to further strengthen relations with the US to get it on our side. With even Pakistanis being not allowed in that area we dont know what more has happened in that area. Have the Chinese deployed ballistic missiles there? If yes there IRBMs cover most of India which gives them an advantage against deploying them in Tibet. India cannot pussy foot on this any further. It is Indian land occupied by Pakistan that is being once again being ceded away to China.

 

[IBRIS]

The 4 footers in GB now laughing at us senseless high on opium supplied straight from Afghanistan. So, this spineless GOI had missed a golden opportunity to take a full advantage of situation. Chinese are like trapped chickens in area so congested that it will become a death trap for them if we play our cards right. Perfect time for a perfect blow, these lazy congress goons will never learn. I guess they have become immune to being unresponsive statues.

 

[Agantrope]

The 4 footers in GB now laughing at us senseless high on opium supplied straight from Afghanistan. So, this spineless GOI had missed a golden opportunity to take a full advantage of situation. Chinese are like trapped chickens in area so congested that it will become a death trap for them if we play our cards right. Perfect time for a perfect blow, these lazy congress goons will never learn. I guess they have become immune to being unresponsive statues.

Even Unkil has aproved tibet as Chinese province, there will be a hue and chinese retribution will be very heavy in this case. Better we can recognise Taiwan as an independent nation and can give special status to them like what singapore and korea enjoys. Your retribution not to be in same kind, we can pinch them in a different manner,adding more salt in the taiwan which can avoid the military build-up towards india and focus will be on the taiwan itself. it will give us some more breathing space, instead why to get our hands dirty?

 

[Yusuf]

We cannot recognize Taiwan as an independent nation as they themselves have not declared independence. India can play the Tibet card as we have not yet recognized it as part of China but done so in a vague manner.

 

[Tshering22]

Tshering, you have a point at places, but if you blame this current government for not taking action or WAR, when 26/11 happened, then you should blame the previous governments who danced when Parliament was attacked and Terrorists were Delivered First Class to Afghanistan!

Brother, I blame every Indian government. POK didn't become India's under BJP either and for that and not repealing Article 370, I am angry with BJP. However, the show that Congress put up post-26/11 in begging Pakistan to hand over the militants was so pathetic that they just crossed the line of being despicable cowards. If you are referring to Kandahar hijack, then I have already given a response to a few members on this thread. Please don't think that I am defending BJP for the mistakes that it has committed too.. I criticize them equally. But if you remember, they had a string of counter-terror successes during their term including the infamous Akshardham Temple siege in Gujarat.

We as Indians, didn't have the Ayni base in Tajikistan then to insert NSG or even MARCOs into Afghanistan and save the party. We should have conducted an operation similar to the Operation Entebbe by Sayeret Matkal S-13 unit of Israel to free Israeli passengers from Uganda, but that failed. Tell me, which was more despicable? Unable to send special forces due to lack of proper professionalism and yet managing to get back 175 men, women and children back alive in one piece from another hostile country, or watching helplessly when terrorists massacred 200 Indians within one's own country and later begging to the sponsor of the attacks hand over terrorists?

In our case, even Operation Entebbe like situation won't have been possible because we would have to use Iran to fly into Afghanistan in a military aircraft, since Pakistan won't let a military aircraft fly over its airspace.

Armies are there, but they are not to fight wars at the drop of a hat! You cant start a war just like that and hope to Win! Pakistan or China are not your neighbourhood bully who can be thrashed easily! They too have an Army, Airforce and Navy! Remember that! When you fight, fight to Win! Not for the sake of it!!

You very well know that coordinated strikes against in POK would invite a limited conflict only before we achieve a stalemate courtesy UN at the same time we achieving our objectives. I never said that Pakistan and China are pushovers but when has India started a war at the drop of a hat? Tell me ONE incident where war has been started like this from our side. Since 2004, more than 25,000 people have died all across the country in bomb blasts as revealed by 3 famous news media Zee News, NDTV and DNA papers. Wasn't 26/11 an act of bloody war enough to start a counter-retaliation!!?

You think we're scared of utilizing our forces? Give the tri-services complete authority over decision making in a war scenario (which has never been given thanks to our b@$t@r+ politicians), and see how we bring these bloody coward jihadis to their knees in a matter of 2 months time max. Pakistan has a first strike policy doesn't mean it can bloody well get away with terrorist strikes anytime and everytime. The world knows that we've just signed a paper for no first use which means squat in case our nation is in danger.

UNLESS WE START EXERCISING OUR STATUS AND MILITARY MIGHT, INDIA WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE TRAINING GYM AND MOCK EXAMS FOR EVERY NEW TERRORIST WANNABE WHO WILL USE INDIAN LIVES AS A TESTING GROUND TO CONDUCT OPERATIONS IN THE WEST. Get that?

Our enemy has armed forces too but they know who had to surrender 93,000 POWs. So unless we start an aggressive counter-terrorist policy, we will remain the big, soft, mushy "mock exams" for terrorists-in-training. What is the use of buying billions of weapons and not using them? 26/11 was a bloody excuse well enough to conduct a weeks's precision strikes into POK and by that time the UN would have intervened for a stalemate. The world would have said NOTHING to us because they saw what happened in Mumbai live. But the enemy-appeasing soft-on-terror government backed down again, just as it had backed down when Army had taken Lahore in '71.

We have Lethal weapons all right. All the people saying Agni5 will never be revealed can eat their words, because today our Defence Minister Revealed that its ready for testing! A Lot happens, but do care to listen, Think!!

You still don't understand, do you bro? Pakistan will never make the mistake of 65 and 71 again knowing very well what the result would be in a direct conflict firstly because of their current economic status and secondly because of historical reasons. That is why post Soviet-Afghan war, it was able to utilize smartly the mujahideen in the state of J&K. If you are going to sit and wait for them to take their Army to come and draw first blood officially, that would never happen and you can keep waiting. It will always be "alleged" attacks now as that is more cost effective and easier to manage and yet continues to bog us down because of our weak and pathetic policies. So unless we show we can really hit hard and get away with it, terror strikes will continue.

Our biggest strength is our ability to change traditional months-long war into nothing more than a 4 days ground-strike in POK and simultaneously demand a stalemate achieving it and simply counter-alleging our enemy on UN. There won't be any economic loss since the targets won't be any of their military bases but suspected terrorist camps.

NOTE: we have nuclear capable enemies DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN get away with anything and threaten nuclear retaliation.

 

[Rebelkid]

We cannot recognize Taiwan as an independent nation as they themselves have not declared independence. India can play the Tibet card as we have not yet recognized it as part of China but done so in a vague manner.

We can't.. we have already recognized Tibet :angry_10:

 

[Tshering22]

Our government sucks in its foreign policy against China and is SCARED OF Chinese. :angry_1:

 

[Daredevil]

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