PAF team contributed a lot without carrying out the R&D part itself. One of our priorities was to integrate our experience and know how of western platforms, specially the F-16 into the JF-17. Therefore a lot of changes were made in the design and the flight envelope was co-developed with PAF team.
Hard to answer, both are equally good according to their end users. PAF delayed the purchase of the J-10/FC-20 as the JF-17 turned out to be more capable than we expected it to be and we decided to purchase more of them.
Oh come on, you know that's bullshyte. You simply customized it using various available resources mainly from China itself. And please don't mention about C++ job done by rookies at PAC.
That's hilarious. Hope Indonesians buy some reliable stuff next time @SexyChineseLady look now Superpower Chinese weapons refused the orders of tiny and not so "China Rich" Indonesians. I think now on they only take orders from Sultan Xi 11 pingChini maal, guaranteed to fails.
Indonesian president watches failed firings of Chinese-made C-705 missiles at naval exercise
The Indonesian Navy's (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut, or TNI-AL's) attempt to successfully launch Chinese-made C-705 anti-ship missiles from two indigenously built attack craft during a major naval exercise has failed, sources from within the service informed IHS Jane's on 15 September.
The missiles, which were deployed onboard the KCR-40-class missile attack craft KRIClurit (641) and KRI Kujang (642), each failed at different stages of their launches on 14 September.
Clurit and Kujang each fired a single C-705 missile during Exercise 'Armada Jaya' 2016 which was conducted in the Java Sea.
Both attempts were made in full view of Indonesian President Joko Widodo who was there to witness the exercise from onboard the landing platform dock ship KRIBanjarmasin (592). Accompanying him was TNI-AL chief Admiral Ade Supandi, and Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) chief General Gatot Nurmantyo.
According to TNI-AL sources, the first C-705 deployed on Clurit failed to launch upon command, but fired unexpectedly about five minutes later after the ship's crew failed to observe a misfire procedure.
The missile failed to hit its designated target for the exercise, the recently decommissioned Tisza-class auxiliary support ship, Karimata (960). The second C-705 missile, which was fired from Kujang , failed during mid-flight, and subsequently also failed to hit the same target.
Besides Clurit and Kujang , 'Armada Jaya' also involves the participation of about 7,000 TNI personnel and 39 naval vessels including a Cakra Type 209/1300-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK).
Other TNI-AL weapons that will be tested during the exercise, that runs until the end of September 2016, include the C-802 anti-ship missile that has also been acquired from China.
J-10 has seen much more investment and development, the J-10C comes quite close to block 52. Indeed, it is much ahead of JF-17 and probably superior to it.
You obviously have little knowledge of the project. PAF initially had plans to further develop the F-7 into Super Sabre II but that project never matarialised. Once we were hit by fresh US sanctions in early nineties, China was approached to develop a whole new fighter similar to the F-16.
Correct me if I am wrong but
J-10 is based on Israeli Lavi project which was abandoned under US pressure. Israel sold it to China for approx $500 million.
STFU and put your global record breaking Late Coming Aircraft in the jokes thread idiot.
Project 33 or Mig-33 was a single engine versions of Mig-29 and was being persues as light multirole fighter. But it was cancelled. Some studies was done though. Later it was purchased by China with complete design and test data(lab based). Chinese developed it and did intial production. Today PAC is assembling it using kits. Though Pakistanis claim they are producing 50% of it from raw materials. But so far they have not come up with details about sections they are producing.
I have mixed feelings about C++ On the one hand it is a commonly used language and it is probably way easier to find a quality C++ programmer than a quality ADA programmer. On the other hand ADA has a lot of compile time error checking as opposed to runtime. I'm curious if they just use stock compilers like GCC for aircraft code or they heavily modify the compiler to do additional compile time checking to get some of the same behaviors like ADA.
The hilarious part is that even with poor Chini quality, they themselves don't want the 'super duper' JF17. That trash can is good only for the likes of cash constrained poor countries like Pakis. Is Nigeria still going for it have they seen sense?
There is a reason C is not used for precision military grade softwere anywhere in the world
Yes indeed FC1/jf17 was and to a greater extent necessisity for PAF , and its not very bad since it can carry an array of chinease weapons at extreamely affordable price .
