China has dismiss the chief designer of J-20 ,JF-17 & J-10

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Sorry Indian, but very laughable of Indians to claim fake this and copy that with bad internet (not published) articles from the wiki and other amateur sites.

It makes you look very jealous and pathetic especially since Indians cannot even post one picture of an Indian plane powered by an Indian engine.

The core of a modern state is its ability to manufacture highly complex systems, this is really possible only in white nations and a select few East Asian nations (mainly Japan, China and Korea.) The ability to copy even a car, much less an aircraft, is a highly complex endeavor and simply not present in the rest of the world, including India.

So it is very silly for Indians to talk like copying a Flanker is easy.

No non-white country can copy an aircraft even if you gave all the design drawings, simply because it wouldn't have the massive industrial complex that can produce all the thousands of components.

India is no different from any of the other 200 non-white countries in the Africa and the rest of the world. So even if you gave India all the blueprints to a Flanker, Indians cannot reproduce it because like every other non-white nation it has a primitive industrial base. If Russia or any of its many EU vendors embargoes India, Indians cannot screwdrive together a plane whether it is a MKI or LCA. This is why the production LCA needed to wait for its nose cone from the UK (which caused a lot of laughter in serious aviation forums.)

China can produce a J-11B or J-15A or J-16 from the ground up even though they are Flanker variants like the MKI. An embargo from Russia cannot stop their manufacture because every piece is made in China. China has a full aviation industrial base unlike Nigeria or India.
 
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Sorry Indian, but very laughable of Indians to claim fake this and copy that with bad internet (not published) articles from the wiki and other amateur sites.

It makes you look very jealous and pathetic especially since Indians cannot even post one picture of an Indian plane powered by an Indian engine.

The core of a modern state is its ability to manufacture highly complex systems, this is really possible only in white nations and a select few East Asian nations (mainly Japan, China and Korea.) The ability to copy even a car, much less an aircraft, is a highly complex endeavor and simply not present in the rest of the world, including India.

So it is very silly for Indians to talk like copying a Flanker is easy.

No non-white country can copy an aircraft even if you gave all the design drawings, simply because it wouldn't have the massive industrial complex that can produce all the thousands of components.

India is no different from any of the other 200 non-white countries in the Africa and the rest of the world. So even if you gave India all the blueprints to a Flanker, Indians cannot reproduce it because like every other non-white nation it has a primitive industrial base. If Russia or any of its many EU vendors embargoes India, Indians cannot screwdrive together a plane whether it is a MKI or LCA. This is why the production LCA needed to wait for its nose cone from the UK (which caused a lot of laughter in serious aviation forums.)

China can produce a J-11B or J-15A or J-16 from the ground up even though they are Flanker variants like the MKI. An embargo from Russia cannot stop their manufacture because every piece is made in China. China has a full aviation industrial base unlike Nigeria or India.
Please don't compare Chinese junk fighters and rust buckets with MKIs. We all know the quality of the Made in China stuff, here in India the word Chinese is synonymous to Fake and Cheap.
 

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Please don't compare Chinese junk fighters and rust buckets with MKIs. We all know the quality of the Made in China stuff, here in India the word Chinese is synonymous to Fake and Cheap.

You are right, they should not be compared. MKI in India is screwdrivered together by Indians with Russian parts. But unlike most Flankers, the MKI crashes a lot (even when flying less!) and has 50 percent of its fleet grounded at any given time.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.ndtv.com/india-news/with-sukhoi-fleet-grounded-india-without-a-third-of-its-fighter-jets-682996?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Chinese Flankers are built in China and are the main aircraft intercepting US and Japanese patrols. They have to be very reliable.
 

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You are right, they should not be compared. MKI in India is screwdrivered together by Indians with Russian parts.
Typical Chinese BS. MKI is produced by HAL from raw materials including the turbofan engines. The facilities for production of the AL 31 FP engines are among few in the world.

But unlike most Flankers, the MKI crashes a lot (even when flying less!) and has 50 percent of its fleet grounded at any given time.
Stop pulling out figures from your rear. And ask your CCP masters to cook up better stories.
 

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wow, 5 pages of fun time for a baseless fake news for our dear Indian posters...someone seems to be climaxed? is it?

lol...
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Yang's J10B and J20 is going to the public for the first time just in a few days. and this stupid topic should be end here, poor some hopeless Indian loosers..




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btw...The quality of the goods is determined non other than the money you pay for....since your Indian importer come here looking for something 'affordable', you got those you deserve...

just open you pocket and you would got something much better . china makes things of all prices..lol
 
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Typical Chinese BS. MKI is produced by HAL from raw materials including the turbofan engines. The facilities for production of the AL 31 FP engines are among few in the world.
That is a lie. If India made the Al-31 then why did your Prime Minister Singh need to raise the issue with Russia? He had to because India was doing nothing but screwdriving Russian parts.

PM to raise Su-30 MKI engine failure with Russia

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india/p...with-russia/story-sx3argvX5V7UQ3XhWwQvQP.html

Stop pulling out figures from your rear. And ask your CCP masters to cook up better stories.
Nope, this is the report on how horrible the MKI availability is:
"According to ministry of defence (MoD) figures accessed by Business Standard, the serviceability rate of the Su-30MKI was just 48 per cent till last year. "
https://www.google.com/amp/wap.busi...mki-s-poor-serviceability-114102300006_1.html
 

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You know, Chinese rarely talk badly about Indian aircraft (not much to talk about at all.) But when we retaliate, we don't use wiki and internet amateur sites like "strategypages" so please read articles from published sources that I posted.

The MKI is a great plane (because it is a Flanker) that is operating at a horrible level in India and this is very well known because it is taken up at the highest level including your Prime Minister.

Think carefully, YOUR leader is begging Russia to fix the engine and plane INDIANS are screwdriving together badly.
 
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You are right, they should not be compared. MKI in India is screwdrivered together by Indians with Russian parts. But unlike most Flankers, the MKI crashes a lot (even when flying less!) and has 50 percent of its fleet grounded at any given time.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.ndtv.com/india-news/with-sukhoi-fleet-grounded-india-without-a-third-of-its-fighter-jets-682996?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Chinese Flankers are built in China and are the main aircraft intercepting US and Japanese patrols. They have to be very reliable.
Unlike CCP enslaved Chinese, we Indians know when something goes wrong, we have a free media and government doesn't shoot people for criticism.

Censorship in China is so pathetic that one won't even know if their whole Air Force is grounded. Reliability of the Chinese junks will be proven during a real air battle and not during some tom-and-jerry game. On that day we all will witness half of your rust buckets refusing to move on the tarmac, and the other half falling off sky without a reason.

You know, Chinese rarely talk badly about Indian aircraft (not much to talk about at all.) But when we retaliate, we don't use wiki and internet amateur sites like "strategypages" so please read articles from published sources that I posted.

The MKI is a great plane (because it is a Flanker) that is operating at a horrible level in India and this is very well known because it is taken up at the highest level including your Prime Minister.

Think carefully, YOUR leader is begging Russia to fix the engine and plane INDIANS are screwdriving together badly.
We don't require China's certificate for our Aircraft. China produces junks, whole world knows this fact.
 

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All this talk about Indian "freedom" and you are unable to post one picture of an Indian plane powered by an Indian engine. Meanwhile thousands of amateur photos and videos of Chinese planes, warships and IFVs are all over the internet.

I think Indians are "free" to be poor and ignorant. It shows up in the world tourism charts too. Over 120 mil Chinese visited an outside country versus only 20 mil Indians. Who is freer? What is freer than being able to leave your country and travel and see the outside world?

Indians makes all sorts of excuses while insulting others who are far, far better off. Very laughable.

Checkout tourism stats here:
http://mkt.unwto.org/publication/unwto-tourism-highlights-2016-edition
 

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I think Indians are "free" to be poor and ignorant. It shows up in the world tourism charts too. Over 120 mil Chinese visited an outside country versus only 20 mil Indians. Who is freer? What is freer than being able to leave your country and travel and see the outside world?

Indians makes all sorts of excuses while insulting others who are far, far better off. Very laughable.

Checkout tourism stats here:
http://mkt.unwto.org/publication/unwto-tourism-highlights-2016-edition
I see you just keep jumping from topic to topic rather than being on the subject of this thread. :troll:ing much ?

we don't use wiki and internet amateur sites like "strategypages" so please read articles from published sources that I posted.
You should post from Chinese media - the most reliable source on the earth :lol:
 

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All this talk about Indian "freedom" and you are unable to post one picture of an Indian plane powered by an Indian engine. Meanwhile thousands of amateur photos and videos of Chinese planes, warships and IFVs are all over the internet.

I think Indians are "free" to be poor and ignorant. It shows up in the world tourism charts too. Over 120 mil Chinese visited an outside country versus only 20 mil Indians. Who is freer? What is freer than being able to leave your country and travel and see the outside world?

Indians makes all sorts of excuses while insulting others who are far, far better off. Very laughable.

Checkout tourism stats here:
http://mkt.unwto.org/publication/unwto-tourism-highlights-2016-edition
It is better to fly a capable machine powered by a foreign supplied engine than flying a rust bucket powered by a Made in China fan. Those photo ops mean nothing in real situation.
 

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It is better to fly a capable machine powered by a foreign supplied engine than flying a rust bucket powered by a Made in China fan. Those photo ops mean nothing in real situation.

Yes but your screwdrivered MKI are not more capable machines. They are grounded half the time and no opponents ever see them unlike the J-11B which are photographed all the time intercepting planes from first-rate powers like the US and Japan.
 

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Yes but your screwdrivered MKI are not more capable machines. They are grounded half the time and no opponents ever see them unlike the J-11B which are photographed all the time intercepting planes from first-rate powers like the US and Japan.
Lady please, most of components of Su 30 MKI are made in India and Su 30 MKI has avg flight boirs of 200+ hr with unofficial estimated at 300+ hr.Plus we meet Eurofighter,F 15 and F 16 of many countries in joint exercises , our pilot decimated the opponents , they did want to face Su 30 MKI. Plus you have talked is long term availability like over a year it is the same for most planes.
 

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Lady please, most of components of Su 30 MKI are made in India and Su 30 MKI has avg flight boirs of 200+ hr with unofficial estimated at 300+ hr.
I'm sorry but that is a falsehood. Your Prime Minister (!!!!) wouldn't need to take this up in Russia if the parts were made in India.

Plus we meet Eurofighter,F 15 and F 16 of many countries in joint exercises , our pilot decimated the opponents , they did want to face Su 30 MKI. Plus you have talked is long term availability like over a year it is the same for most planes.
According to whom? The other countries or according to Indians?

You know, in the US, they let low performing black and minority students into Harvard and Stanford too. You sure they didn't let you win (like they do for Thai and Filipino and Brazilian pilots too)? It not good for publicity to beat up on third world allies just it is not good for the best schools to gave only whites (and Asians) based on pure merit.

Training exercises is a stupid place to claim you "decimated" someone. No one gets shot down in training.

If Indians have so much freedom and are so sure of their MKI please post a picture of the MKI photographed during a real patrol by foes on the frontline. Real good aircraft are always are always on frontline confronting rivals (like the J-11B with WS-10A) not in training exercises.
 
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I'm sorry but that is a falsehood. Your Prime Minister (!!!!) wouldn't need to take this up in Russia if the parts were made in India.
Lady main reason for this was bureaucratic in nature , the procedure took 90 days , now it is close to 10 days as a result the serviceability is around 70% and going upwards
Read this article to give a idea : http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/06/04/why_the_indian_air_force_has_a_high_crash_rate_43501
According to whom? The other countries or according to Indians.

You know, in the US, they let low performing black and minority students into Harvard and Stanford too. You sure they didn't let you win (like they do for Thai and Filipino and Brazilian pilots too)? lol

Training exercises is a stupid place to claim you "decimated" someone. No one gets shot down in training.

If Indians have so much freedom and are so sure of their MKI please post a picture of the MKI photographed during a real patrol by foes on the frontline.
Go and read
https://theaviationist.com/2014/05/02/cope-india-2004-results/
 

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Yes but your screwdrivered MKI are not more capable machines. They are grounded half the time and no opponents ever see them unlike the J-11B which are photographed all the time intercepting planes from first-rate powers like the US and Japan.
Photographed by whom? CPC's Propaganda machinery? In a real war China's steam engine powered aircraft will drop like stones.
 

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That shows the conked business orders for JF-17.
IMO, remember how a few nations showed interest in the JF-17 only later to cancel the order..
that would imply that the JF-17 failed at many counts on evaluation.

And in those nations we havent seen any other sales pitch happening at the same time as a competitor for JF-17.. so necessarily JF-17 failed the evaluation singlehandedly :D

So it truly is a JUNK FIGHTER fit for a failed state like pakistan!
china should sell more of it to pakistan its best friend who will be happy to swallow what is coming out of china! (no pun intended ;))
Today I also want to formally show interest in JF 17.
Don't it count?
What's the score now (of showing interest) :biggrin2:
 

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The only blunder here is your poor knowledge of this project. FC-1 is based on the Russian Izdeliye-33 project that was abandoned by Mikoyan in 1986. China purchased the whole project including design and some research in 1991 and formed a JV with Pakistan to develop the Joint Fighter-17.
Your post is very accurate but I don't think Pakistan has any contribution in R&D of FC1 except for may be some money.
Though I am not well informed about this subject.
 

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The only blunder here is your poor knowledge of this project. FC-1 is based on the Russian Izdeliye-33 project that was abandoned by Mikoyan in 1986. China purchased the whole project including design and some research in 1991 and formed a JV with Pakistan to develop the Joint Fighter-17.
@Neo @gadeshi which design is better aerodynamically, FC 1 or j10
 

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Chini maal, guaranteed to fails.

Indonesian president watches failed firings of Chinese-made C-705 missiles at naval exercise

The Indonesian Navy's (Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut, or TNI-AL's) attempt to successfully launch Chinese-made C-705 anti-ship missiles from two indigenously built attack craft during a major naval exercise has failed, sources from within the service informed IHS Jane's on 15 September.

The missiles, which were deployed onboard the KCR-40-class missile attack craft KRIClurit (641) and KRI Kujang (642), each failed at different stages of their launches on 14 September.

Clurit and Kujang each fired a single C-705 missile during Exercise 'Armada Jaya' 2016 which was conducted in the Java Sea.

Both attempts were made in full view of Indonesian President Joko Widodo who was there to witness the exercise from onboard the landing platform dock ship KRIBanjarmasin (592). Accompanying him was TNI-AL chief Admiral Ade Supandi, and Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) chief General Gatot Nurmantyo.

According to TNI-AL sources, the first C-705 deployed on Clurit failed to launch upon command, but fired unexpectedly about five minutes later after the ship's crew failed to observe a misfire procedure. :rofl:

The missile failed to hit its designated target for the exercise, the recently decommissioned Tisza-class auxiliary support ship, Karimata (960). The second C-705 missile, which was fired from Kujang , failed during mid-flight, and subsequently also failed to hit the same target. :pound:

Besides Clurit and Kujang , 'Armada Jaya' also involves the participation of about 7,000 TNI personnel and 39 naval vessels including a Cakra Type 209/1300-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK).

Other TNI-AL weapons that will be tested during the exercise, that runs until the end of September 2016, include the C-802 anti-ship missile that has also been acquired from China.
 

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