China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

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I don't think sending the flight plan to Chinese means they acknowledge China's authority. It is not their dispute and China can't shoot down any civilian plane within ADZ according to the rules. So they just want to say: Don't get us involved.
Fair enough, although given that the vast majority of air traffic in said ADIZ is civilian, it means any JASDF or USAF attempts to ingress will stick out like a sore thumb.
 

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U.S. to Continue Flights in Defense Zone Claimed by China
David Lerman
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November 26, 2013



The U.S. won't change its flight operations to comply with China's newly claimed air defense zone in the East China Sea, a Pentagon spokesman said today.

"We will not in any way change how we conduct our operations," Army Colonel Steve Warren told reporters at the Pentagon. U.S. pilots won't register their flight plans or identify their transponder or frequency, Warren said.

China announced an air defense identification zone in the East China Sea effective Nov. 23 and said its military will take "defensive emergency measures" if aircraft enter the area without reporting flight plans or identifying themselves.

"We see it as destabilizing," Warren said of China's decision. He said U.S. pilots always maintain the ability to defend themselves.

China's declared intent to protect an air zone encompassing islands contested by Japan has escalated tensions between Asia's two largest economies. The disputed islands are known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japan.

Japan's foreign minister, Fumio Kishida, said China has engaged in "profoundly dangerous acts that unilaterally change the status quo," according to a statement issued over the weekend.

While the U.S. has said it isn't taking sides in the dispute over the contested islands, the U.S. is a treaty ally of Japan and in October set a road map for defense cooperation over the next 20 years.

'Unilateral Action'

"This unilateral action increases the risk of misunderstanding and miscalculation," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said of China's decision in a statement over the weekend.

The Foreign Affairs office of the Chinese Defense Ministry complained to the U.S. embassy's military attache yesterday over the U.S.'s "erroneous remarks" on the air zone, according to a statement on the ministry's website.

China didn't specify what measures it might take if others don't abide by its rules.

A map and details of the air zone's coordinates were posted on the Chinese Defense Ministry's website.

"This is a necessary measure taken by China in exercising its self-defense right," ministry spokesman Yang Yajun said in a statement. "It is not directed against any specific country or target."

The rules include reporting flight plans to China's Foreign Ministry or civil aviation authorities and providing radio and logo identification or aircraft, according to the ministry.

U.S. to Continue Flights in Defense Zone Claimed by China - Bloomberg



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Belligerent China Proclaims No-Fly Zone Over Japanese Islands - Investors.com

Maritime Grab: Iran isn't the only nuclear threat to worry about. As its military and economy have grown, so too have China's dreams of dominating an island chain centered on Taiwan and including Japan's Senkakus.

China's increased belligerence in the region is part of its plan to control the Yellow Sea, the South China Sea and the larger East China



The next step is dominance over what Beijing calls the second island chain extending from Japan to Indonesia. Some analysts have even speculated about plans for a third island chain strategy extending as far as Hawaii.

As part of its plans, China on Saturday announced an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea effective Nov. 23. Its military will take "defensive emergency measures" if aircraft enter the area without reporting flight plans or identifying themselves.

China's defense ministry warned in a statement that all aircraft that fail to comply with its new rules for transit through the zone could be shot down.


Media reports say that the ministry issued a map showing the new East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, including what the Chinese call the Diaoyu Islands. The map of the new defense zone, pulled off a Chinese website, shows that it overlaps Japan's defense zone over the Senkakus, a group of uninhabited islands located south of Okinawa and north of Taiwan that sit atop significant oil deposits.

China in recent years has also laid claim to the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea and has conducted nine incursions into territory claimed by the Philippines. Beijing's goal is to secure the waters from Japan's home islands, along the Ryukyu chain, through Taiwan and to the Strait of Malacca, encompassing the South China Sea.

Tensions escalated in February when Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe denounced what he said was China's use of fire-control radar in January twice on Japanese targets in the East China Sea. Japan's Defense Ministry said that it sent jets up 306 times in the 12 months ended in March 2013 and 149 times in the April-September period in response to Chinese incursions.

The islands became Japan's territory after it defeated China in their 1894-1895 war. It was only after a 1968 United Nations survey reported the huge oil and gas potential of the area that Beijing began to protest the 1972 U.S. return of the islets to Japanese control as part of Okinawa. The U.S. is obligated to defend the islands under the 1960 U.S.-Japan Security Treaty, which covers all territories under Japanese administration, including the Senkakus.

"I'm afraid this soon will force Washington's hand," says John Tkacik, former State Department China specialist. "The ADIZ covering the Senkakus has been under Japanese or U.S. administration for 70 years, and the Senkakus have been Japanese-U.S. administered for 120 years.

"If Washington decides that the U.S. does not have a dog in this fight, even though the U.S. Air Force invented the existing ADIZs in the 1950s, it's curtains for the U.S.-Japan alliance."

This move may be seen as a test akin to Hitler's march of horse-drawn military into the demilitarized Rhineland in 1936, a move explained away as meaningless bluster. The West did nothing then and the rest, as they say, is history.
 

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BBC News - Shinzo Abe: China new air defence zone move 'dangerous'

25 November 2013 Last updated at 10:06 GMT

Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has described China's move to create a new "air defence identification zone" over disputed waters as "dangerous".

China's action had "no validity whatsoever on Japan", Mr Abe added.

China has voiced anger at Japanese and US objections to the new air zone, and lodged complaints with their embassies.

The zone covers disputed islands that are claimed and controlled by Japan. China says aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules.

Mr Abe told parliament on Monday that the zone "can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well".

"We demand China revoke any measures that could infringe upon the freedom of flight in international airspace,'' he added.

US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel has called the move a "destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region".

"This unilateral action increases the risk of misunderstanding and miscalculations," Mr Hagel said in a statement.

"This announcement by the People's Republic of China will not in any way change how the United States conducts military operations in the region," he added.



Japan described China's move as an "escalation" on Saturday, after China announced the new zone.

On Sunday, Yang Yujun, a spokesman for China's Ministry of National Defence, said Japan's reaction was "absolutely groundless and unacceptable".

"We strongly require the Japanese side to stop all moves that undermine China's territorial sovereignty as well as irresponsible remarks that misguide international opinions and create regional tensions," Mr Yang said.

He also demanded that the US "earnestly respect China's national security [and] stop making irresponsible remarks for China's setup of the East China Sea Air Defence Identification Zone".

South Korea said it found it "regretful" that China's new zone partly overlapped with its own military air zone, and covered Ieodo, a submerged rock claimed by Seoul.

"I'd like to say once again that we have unchanging territorial control over Ieodo," Kim Min-seok, a South Korean defence ministry spokesman, said on Monday.

Taiwan also claims the Japan-controlled disputed islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. Taiwan said that it would "defend its sovereignty over the archipelago."

China said the air defence zone came into effect from 10:00 local time (02:00GMT) on Saturday.

Aircraft in the zone must report a flight plan, "maintain two-way radio communications" and "respond in a timely and accurate manner" to identification inquiries, China's Defence Ministry said.

Aircraft that did not follow such rules would be subject to "defensive emergency measures", the ministry added.

'Act of war'

In 2012, the Japanese government bought three of the islands from their private Japanese owner, sparking mass protests in Chinese cities.

Since then, Chinese ships have repeatedly sailed in and out of what Japan says are its territorial waters.

In January, Japan said a Chinese frigate put a radar lock on a Japanese navy ship near the islands. China insists its ship was only using ordinary surveillance radar.

In September, Japan said it would shoot down unmanned aircraft in Japanese airspace after an unmanned Chinese drone flew close to the disputed islands.

China said that any attempt by Japan to shoot down Chinese aircraft would constitute "an act of war".

Since China's President Xi Jinping took power a year ago, Beijing has become more assertive in its territorial claims in the region, leading to rising tensions with many of its neighbours, the BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing reports.

The US has warned that a small incident or miscalculation in the East China Sea could escalate rapidly into a far wider and more serious crisis.

China is also engaged in territorial disputes with several South East Asian countries, including Vietnam and the Philippines. The disputes centre around ocean areas and two island chains in the South China Sea.

The disputed islands in the East China Sea have been a source of tension between China and Japan for decades.

Disputed islands


  • The archipelago consists of five uninhabited islands and three reefs
    Japan, China and Taiwan claim them; they are controlled by Japan and form part of Okinawa prefecture
    Japanese businessman Kunioki Kurihara owned three of the islands but sold them to the Japanese state in September 2012
    The islands were also the focus of a major diplomatic row between Japan and China in 2010
 

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India has to be careful against China in future, we should not lower our defence budget. Speed up all the big ticket projects and force multipliers and focus on getting all we want on urgency basis.
 

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Why China's air zone incensed Japan, U.S. - CNN.com

In South Korea, the nation's defense ministry spokesman, Kim Min-seok said the country's sovereignty over Ieodo remains unchanged.

"China has unilaterally set up its ADIZ," Kim said. "The ADIZ that China has set up overlaps either with our military jurisdiction and military operation approved areas or area within our government's sovereignty, like Ieodo."

The Korean government would fly over such areas without informing the Chinese side, he added.

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The Chinese maybe thinking everybody in Asia is like the Philippines, weak and a pushover... :laugh:
 

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When Mr Abe is saying the zone "can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well". He means to refer to this:

On April 1, 2001, a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signals intelligence aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China, called the Hainan Island incident.
Part V, Article 58 of the Convention states in relation to exclusive economic zones that: "all States...enjoy...the freedoms...of navigation and overflight", but notes that "States...shall comply with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State...in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part." The PRC interprets the Convention as allowing it to preclude other nations' military operations within this area, while the United States maintains that the Convention grants free navigation for all countries' aircraft and ships, including military aircraft and ships, within a country's exclusive economic zone.
Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Japan has an ADIZ that overlaps most of its Exclusive Economic Zone. Its eastern border was set up after World War II by the US military at 123° degrees east. This resulted in only the western half of Yonaguni Island being part of Japan's ADIZ and the eastern half being part of Taiwan's ADIZ. Thus on June 25, 2010 Japan extended its ADIZ around this island 22km westwards. As this led to an overlapping with ROC's ADIZ the government of Republic of China expressed its "regret" over Japan's move. Regarding the coast of mainland China, Japan's ADIZ has a distance of 130km at its closest point
Mainland China has established their own version of an ADIZ in 23rd, November 2013 The Chinese ADIZ covers the disputed Diaoyou/Senkaku Island and is 130km from Japanese territory at its closest point. American defense secretary Chuck Hagel called the Chinese move "a destabilizing attempt to alter the status quo in the region".
Air Defense Identification Zone (North America) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read a good observation and comment on the internet from the below link:

What China put up was an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ), an ADIZ is vastly different compared to Air Defence Zone (ADZ Or more commonly referred Airspace), an ADZ is located inside the sea territory boarder and considered as air territory, firing is allowed within ADZ, an ADIZ is located outside the sea territory boarder and serves the pupose as an Identification and Early-Warning zone, firing is not allowed, but
logging and tracking is allowed and this is the "defensive emergency measures"" China will do as explained by Chinese MOD on news.

2.Media did not mention that Japan put their ADIZ right next at China's door step for 40 years already since 70's, expanded for four times, their closest zone today is actually just outside Chinese Sea Territory Boarder - 130km away from China's Zhejiang Province (So if you take an airplane off from Zhejiang heading towards seas, the moment you fly out Chinese Territory Boarder, you will find yourself inside Japan ADIZ and answering to Japan Air Force, the Japan ADIZ there almost covered 100% of Chinese Exclusive economic zone,

China never put an ADIZ there before yesterday, having endured this Japanese ADIZ expansion for 40 years and thanks to island dispute China
finally decided to say "Screw ya.." and there we go, the first Chinese ADIZ setup in that region
China Air-Zone Move Expands Field of Islands Spat With Japan - Bloomberg

The whole exercise is for the internal audience in PRC. Its carefully thought and executed over a vacuum that allowed it to develop. It does not seem to alter the status quo. The Americans and Japanese are sabre-rattling.

The current exercise by PRC also has a secondary target of trying to make the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") become closer to "disputed". If the Japanese come to the table to talk about Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") the PRC leaders would have got what they want. Will the Japanese hold off and say the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") are settled and not disputed - will the Japanese become bolder. Will the Japanese play smart and start dealing with Taiwan and America on the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands"). Will there be a "unexpected occurrence".

A minor objective is also PRC showing to the world that they are representing Taiwan.

How does the PRC Exclusive Economic Zone and Air Defense Identification Zone match up is a logical question to ask next.

The PRC have played a good move because there was a vacuum to allow that to be done. I have a feeling that PRC wont heat up the temperatures.

Interesting times ahead.
 

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When Mr Abe is saying the zone "can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well". He means to refer to this:





Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Air Defense Identification Zone (North America) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read a good observation and comment on the internet from the below link:



China Air-Zone Move Expands Field of Islands Spat With Japan - Bloomberg

The whole exercise is for the internal audience in PRC. Its carefully thought and executed over a vacuum that allowed it to develop. It does not seem to alter the status quo. The Americans and Japanese are sabre-rattling.

The current exercise by PRC also has a secondary target of trying to make the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") become closer to "disputed". If the Japanese come to the table to talk about Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") the PRC leaders would have got what they want. Will the Japanese hold off and say the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") are settled and not disputed - will the Japanese become bolder. Will the Japanese play smart and start dealing with Taiwan and America on the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands"). Will there be a "unexpected occurrence".

A minor objective is also PRC showing to the world that they are representing Taiwan.

How does the PRC Exclusive Economic Zone and Air Defense Identification Zone match up is a logical question to ask next.

The PRC have played a good move because there was a vacuum to allow that to be done. I have a feeling that PRC wont heat up the temperatures.

Interesting times ahead.
I very much enjoyed reading the logical, fact based argument you present. Keep it up.

Research, not mainstream regurgeta.

Propaganda related by CNN or Bloomberg doesn't change what it is... One side's skewed POV.
 

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When Mr Abe is saying the zone "can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well". He means to refer to this:





Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Air Defense Identification Zone (North America) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I read a good observation and comment on the internet from the below link:



China Air-Zone Move Expands Field of Islands Spat With Japan - Bloomberg

The whole exercise is for the internal audience in PRC. Its carefully thought and executed over a vacuum that allowed it to develop. It does not seem to alter the status quo. The Americans and Japanese are sabre-rattling.

The current exercise by PRC also has a secondary target of trying to make the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") become closer to "disputed". If the Japanese come to the table to talk about Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") the PRC leaders would have got what they want. Will the Japanese hold off and say the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") are settled and not disputed - will the Japanese become bolder. Will the Japanese play smart and start dealing with Taiwan and America on the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands"). Will there be a "unexpected occurrence".

A minor objective is also PRC showing to the world that they are representing Taiwan.

How does the PRC Exclusive Economic Zone and Air Defense Identification Zone match up is a logical question to ask next.

The PRC have played a good move because there was a vacuum to allow that to be done. I have a feeling that PRC wont heat up the temperatures.

Interesting times ahead.
I very much enjoyed reading the logical, fact based argument you present. Keep it up.

Research, not mainstream regurgeta.

Propaganda related by CNN or Bloomberg doesn't change what it is... One side's skewed POV.
 

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If there's somebody that will be skewed by this ADIZ it is China. If USAF, USN, ROKAF and JASDF continue to overfly that airspace then China is screwed.
 

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If there's somebody that will be skewed by this ADIZ it is China. If USAF, USN, ROKAF and JASDF continue to overfly that airspace then China is screwed.
*sigh*

You've missed the whole piont of the ECS ADIZ, General Internet Warrior.

The Chinese govt can't stop any military flights in that area anyway. Its INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE other than the 12nm around the disputed islands under international law.

ADIZ's are UNILATERAL. The whole reason Japan scrambled interceptors close to 300 times in the past 4 months to intercept Russian and Chinese aircraft is because they didn't identify themselves, engage their transponders or acknoledge any of Japan's ADIZ rules. Same applies to the Koreans or the Taiwanese.

Fact is, if the Japanese or US militaries don't acknowlege the ECS ADIZ rules, the PLAAF will scramble jets to intercept and escort them just as the Japanese have been doing to all military traffic through their Zone. Thus placing themselves in that airspace.

ie. Changing the facts on the ground, the "status quo" hagel mentioned in his diplo speak. Japan refuses to acknowledge those islands are disputed, the Chinese govt is making moves to force them to the table. Simple geostrategic maneuvering. Were you expecting them to let the island issue slide?

Try what Compersion did and do some research since you clearly don't know the topic you're debating.
 

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You've missed the whole piont of the ECS ADIZ, General Internet Warrior.

The Chinese govt can't stop any military flights in that area anyway. Its INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE other than the 12nm around the disputed islands under international law.

ADIZ's are UNILATERAL. The whole reason Japan scrambled interceptors close to 300 times in the past 4 months to intercept Russian and Chinese aircraft is because they didn't identify themselves, engage their transponders or acknoledge any of Japan's ADIZ rules. Same applies to the Koreans or the Taiwanese.

Fact is, if the Japanese or US militaries don't acknowlege the ECS ADIZ rules, the PLAAF will scramble jets to intercept and escort them just as the Japanese have been doing to all military traffic through their Zone. Thus placing themselves in that airspace.

ie. Changing the facts on the ground, the "status quo" hagel mentioned in his diplo speak. Japan refuses to acknowledge those islands are disputed, the Chinese govt is making moves to force them to the table. Simple geostrategic maneuvering. Were you expecting them to let the island issue slide?

Try what Compersion did and do some research since you clearly don't know the topic you're debating.
China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

PLAAF will need to increase fuel budget.

And that's a fact.
 
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Right, that's what Chinese DFI termites need: another sock puppet.
You are smart to get a response from me knowing I will illuminate and explain what I have said (that is not Pro-PRC . I am not a sock puppet of the Chinese DFI members.

Nonetheless this situation by PRC is not extreme like being spoken. It does not change the status quo in my opinion. I think the current behavior of PRC does not change much to what already is happening. It is sabre-rattling by the Japanese and Americans by saying what the PRC did. Its like the PRC behavior along the LAC. They will stretch it without changing the status quo. The PRC have not announced a new ADZ but a new ADIZ with overlapping areas of Japanese Exclusive Economic Zone.

Yes the PRC have raised the temperature (It is not 10'C increase but 0.1'C increase). Will they raise it further is the question. Its not anything that will make the Japanese and Americans change what they are already doing. Its not anything that will make the PRC change what they are already doing.

Does it insert any new dimension and connexion that was not there before – Not really. Is there any difference between what any stakeholder would do last week militarily and this week - Not sure.

For example the military arrangement(s) in the region will continue like they have following and abiding by international rules and laws. Nothing has changed. If people point out the civilian aircraft notification(s) one needs to see if they change their paths and what they have been doing at the present.

Will that change the administration and jurisdiction of the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") – Nope. Will it make the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") become closer to "disputed" – Nope there is still a long way to go for that and the Japanese and Americans know that. Also the Japanese will not make the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") disputed - It belongs to them.

The PRC have played a good move because there was a vacuum to allow that to be done. I have a feeling that PRC wont heat up the temperatures more.

I think the Japanese and Americans are playing it well also. Its mature behavior. They are raising the temperature 0.5'C more to their advantage. All this is good for India because PRC image in that region is not good with its neighbors if it "unilaterally" announces such moves and explain itself later. Its good for India because the relationship with Japan is expanding and with America its is growing. Its good for India because sabre-rattling will be allowed when the PRC does anything over the LAC.

It would be good if India made it position explicit on Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands"). It would be something similar to what the Americans are saying. The critical player is the Taiwanese and the relationship they have with Japan. What will Taiwan say and do on the Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") and is it different to PRC. If yes this PRC ADIZ will become fragile.

How does the PRC "Claimed" Exclusive Economic Zone and Air Defense Identification Zone match up is a logical question to ask next.

Because the Japanese ADIZ and PRC ADIZ have overlapping areas. What happens there. For example a South Korean military aircraft comes into that Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") area. For example a American aircraft comes into Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") area. If the PRC air force sends a aircraft to intercept the South Korean and American aircraft over Senkaku Islands (" Diaoyu Islands") the PRC will be silly and it would be changing the dynamics of the situation exponentially.

Thats where the PRC will do nothing and the Japanese will send their jets. When Mr Abe is saying the zone "can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well". This is exactly what they want to avoid.

The Japanese and PRC interceptors near about one another. The PRC will not risk a Hainan Island incident.

Cause of collision
Both the cause of the collision and the assignment of blame were disputed. The American government claimed that the Chinese jet bumped the wing of the larger, slower, and less maneuverable EP-3. After returning to U.S. soil, the pilot of the EP-3, Lt. Shane Osborn, was allowed to make a brief statement in which he said that the EP-3 was on autopilot and in straight-and-level flight at the time of the collision. He stated that he was just "guarding the autopilot" in his interview with Frontline.[17] The U.S. released video footage from previous missions which revealed that American reconnaissance crews had previously been intercepted by Lt. Cdr. Wang. During one such incident, he was shown approaching so close that his e-mail address could be read from a sign that he was holding up. Based on the account of Wang Wei's wingman, the Chinese government stated that the American plane "veered at a wide angle towards the Chinese", in the process ramming the J-8. This claim cannot be verified since the Chinese government refuses to release data from the black boxes of either plane, both of which are in its possession.
Hainan Island incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am pretty sure the Americans continue to do what they were doing. But i am not sure if the PRC continue to do what they did.

The PRC will not change the status quo. They like what they have. This is all for PRC internal audience.
 
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China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

PLAAF will need to increase fuel budget.

And that's a fact.
Scrambling an interceptor with a full A2A load-out with tanker and AE&C support isn't "emergency defensive measures" to you?

In the face of air threats and unidentified flying objects coming from the sea, the Chinese side will identify, monitor, control and react depending on different situations.
That's exactly what the Japanese have been doing for (as you astutely pointed out) 50 years, the ECS ADIZ wont be any different.

WRT fuel, its a win win really. Scrambling aircraft x hundred times a year is some of the best operational training any air force can ask for. As I said before. The Japanese, or Americans for that matter, not complying with the ADIZ rules will be playing into the Chinese govt's hands in more ways than one.

Win-win either way.
 

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