China conducts massive Border Drill

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the current coward cpc gov should make it very clear...the j-10 is for the potential wars to take zangnan back....

indian side is building or rebuilding a bunch of air ports close to zangnan (or may be in zangnan) and we need to respond accordingly...
 

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It's called being self-centered. Those drills aren't meant for anyone, they're meant to train pilots in operations on the very high, very cold Tibetan Plateu. Training is what you do to avoid 33 crashes every 3 years... The PLAAF trains and carries out drills in every possible theatre of operations. And anyway, its not like this is the first time j10's are operating in Tibet, what's with the fuss?
Training is what you do to avoid the crashes in the PLAAF that are never reported and yet, they deplete the resources!
 

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Training is what you do to avoid the crashes in the PLAAF that are never reported and yet, they deplete the resources!
Hahaha! I REAAAAALY didnt see that one coming *sarcasm*!!! PLAAF crashes always come to light, even top secret UAV crashes. And I'm pretty sure there weren't 33 of them, and with most of them due to human error ie. POOR PILOT TRAINING!!! And I'm very sure there have never been two crashes in the space of 2 weeks in the PLAAF.
 
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the current coward cpc gov should make it very clear...the j-10 is for the potential wars to take zangnan back....

indian side is building or rebuilding a bunch of air ports close to zangnan (or may be in zangnan) and we need to respond accordingly...
An elected government will be compelled to do that, not the CPC.

 
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the current coward cpc gov should make it very clear...the j-10 is for the potential wars to take zangnan back....

indian side is building or rebuilding a bunch of air ports close to zangnan (or may be in zangnan) and we need to respond accordingly...
What is zangnan?
 

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the current coward cpc gov should make it very clear...the j-10 is for the potential wars to take zangnan back....
The Current Coward Gov Should make it very clear... The MKI, MIG are for Potential War to Take back Whatever there left ..

I can go on like this, keep it Down..
 

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China Warns India With Border Drill

China Warns India With Border Drill




Friday, March 23, 2012
By : Defence News Admin


China is back to flexing i'ts muscles to deter India. The Chinese have conducted a major 'live fire' exercise, testing it's multi-role J-10 fighters armed with laser-guided and other bombs, in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau.

China is back to flexing i'ts muscles to deter India. The Chinese have conducted a major 'live fire' exercise, testing it's multi-role J-10 fighters armed with laser-guided and other bombs, in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau.

The exercise conducted by the Chinese are the first of its kind on the 3,500-metre high plateau, which saw J-10 fighter jets being fuelled and loaded with bombs for ground attack missions during sub-zero temperatures.

The Chinese military flexing close to the Indian border was meant as a strong signal to India, which has belatedly taken to strategically counter China's massive build-up of military infrastructure all along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control over the last two decades.

This is obviously not the first time the Chinese forces have undertaken combat exercises in thee Tibet Region close to the Indian border. The Chinese have in the past tested it's Sukhoi-27UBK and Sukhoi-30MKK fighters which are considered less superior to India's Sukhoi-30 MKI's.

Indian defence analyst in New Delhi consider the latest Chinese exercise with fighters conducting both day and night sorties to be several notches higher than the ones conducted in the past. The latest Chinese exercise comes barely five months after another major PLA exercise which involved the air force, tanks and artillery in the Tibet region.

China normally deploys fighters in TAR only during summers from March onwards because of the thin air and tough operating conditions there. But last year for the first time, PLA kept the J-10 jets deployed at Gongar (Lhasa) throughout the winter.

Apart from nuclear missile bases in Qinghai province that specifically target India, China has built five fully operational airbases at Gongar, Pangta, Linchi, Hoping and Gar Gunsa, and an extensive rail network and over 58,000-km of roads in TAR.

This massive infrastructure build-up makes possible for PLA to move around 30 divisions (each with over 15,000 soldiers) to the LAC within 30 days to outnumber Indian forces by at least three-is-to-one. The Chengdu military region and the PLA airbases in Tibeet are mainly tasked for check-mating India.

India, in turn, has based it's most potent fighters Sukhoi-30MKI's, which can go deep into China and are technologically superior to the Chinese Sukhoi jets, at Tezpur and Chabua in Assam, apart from planning to deploy six C-130J Super Hercules strategic airlift aircraft in the eastern sector along with Brahmos Missile regiments.

The PLA Air Force is almost triple the IAF's size but the Indian Air Force is investing heavily in transforming itself into a technologically superior aerospace force of the 21st century.

India is also now upgrading several advanced landing grounds as well as several helipads in Arunachal Pradesh.

The Indian Army is now planning to raise a mountain strike corps consisting of 70,000 soldiers after raising two new mountain infantry divisions, with 1,260 officers and 35,011 soldiers, in Assam and Nagaland.
 

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From Trishul Blog : Prasun Sengupta

Taking Stock Of China's Airpower Build-up In Tibet
China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) seems to have taken serious note of India's determination since 2007 to beef up its force projection capabilities along the arc stretching from eastern Ladakh all the way up to the India-Nepal border adjacent to the southwestern portion of the Tibet Autonomous Region, and in turn is now proceeding to counter India's moves by undertaking its own build-up of offensive airpower capabilities in the same area. Translated for the layman, it means that A) the People's Liberation Army (PLA) will realise its tactical objectives on the ground by resorting to massed fire-assaults (against forward-deployed Indian ground forces) delivered by a numerically superior deployed force comprising tactical non-line-of-sight battlefield support missiles (NLOS-BSM) and long-range multi-barrel rocket launchers (MBRL) capable of firing rockets equipped with sensor-fuzed munitions (SGM); B) such rocket artillery-based weapons would be employed for the 'deep battlespace' in tactical areas that are ideally suited for deployment of such weapons, i.e. the flat, locational deserts around eastern Ladakh and the foothills opposite Uttarakhand State; C) while increased use will be made of NLOS-BSMs and tactical ballistic missiles (TBM) to neutralise the Indian Air Force's (IAF) offensive airpower generation capacities that would be located in Jammu & Kashmir (J & K), the PLA Air Force's (PLAAF) manned combat aircraft backed up by AEW & C platforms would be employed for blunting/neutralising any localised ground offensives (during the contact battle phase) that could be mounted by the Indian Army.


Presently, the IAF's Western Air Command (WAC) can deploy some 150 combat aircraft of various types within air bases located inside J & K, these being Adampur (capable of housing Mirage 2000Hs, MiG-29B-12s and Jaguar IS), Awantipura (MiG-21 Bisons, MiG-29B-12s and Jaguar IS), Pathankot (MiG-21 Bisons and MiG-27UPGs), Srinagar (Su-30MKIs, MiG-21 Bisons and MiG-27UPGs), Udhampur (MiG-21 Bisons), Leh (MiG-29B-12s and Su-30MKIs) and Thoise (Su-30MKIs). WAC by early 2002 had firmed up plans for phase 2 of its transformation process along the northern front and in mid-2003 a solitary Su-30MKI Mk2 did a trial-landing at the IAF's Leh (located at 10,680 feet ASL and having a 9,000 feet-long runway) and Srinagar air bases. This was preceded by the Su-30MKI pilots during a few route-check flights and runway overshoots with MiG-29B-12s to familiarise themselves with the overall sortie pattern, weather conditions and the operating terrain. It was only after this that the four Su-30MKI Mk3s from the Barielly-based No24 Squadron along with 12 pilots landed at Leh on September 16, 2008 (in two phases of four each) for a 10 day-long deployment that also saw the Su-30MKIs each logging up to four training sorties per day and also doing overshoots of the runways at Srinagar and Thoise air base (located 10,066 feet ASL and hosting a 10,000 feet-long runway). Thoise is the acronym for Transit Halt of Indian Soldiers Enroute. Prior to this historic deployment, was another pathbreaking achievement on May 31, 2008 when after a 44-year break, an IAF An-32B tactical transport aircraft landed on the 2.3km-long sandy airstrip (now lengthened to 3km) at the 12,037 feet-high advanced landing ground (ALG) in Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) in the sub-sector north (SSN) area of Ladakh at 6.17am. This was followed by another An-32B landing at the refurbished ALG at Fukche (at 14,200 feet ASL) on September 24, 2008, with the Nyoma ALG, south of Chushul, at 13,400 feet ASL being activated on on September 18, 2008. The 3,400 feet-long ALG at Dharasu at an altitude of 2,950 feet in Uttarakhand's Uttarkashi hills bordering China was made operational in the second half of 2010 without much fanfare. All these ALGs facing the Line of Actual Control (LAC) will eventually have a 3km runway length and will be used for aerial logistics support.




According to the PLA's appreciation, these air bases and ALGs will be ideal targets for the PLA Army's NLOS-BSMs and TBMs, which have already been stockpiled in both Xinjiang and Aksai Chin. To date, 13 tunnels dug into the mountains have been built at Xiadulla, 98km from the Karakoram mountain pass between Ladakh and the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, while another similar NLOS-BSM storage facility is located at Qizil Jilga, 40km off the LAC in eastern Ladakh near the Western Tibet highway.





However, when it comes to interdicting the supply lines of India's forward-deployed ground forces in both eastern Ladakh, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, the PLA plans to employ a combination of massed fire-assaults from heavy-calibre MBRLs as well as battlefield air interdiction sorties carried out by Su-30MK2s and J-10s, with the Su-27SKs being employed along with the ZDK-03 AEW & CS platforms for defensive counter-air and airborne battle management taskings. And it is exactly for engaging in such scenarios that the PLA conducted its first joint expeditionary Army-Air Force live-fire exercise on the Qinghai-Tibet plateau (at an altitude of 15,420 feet, or 4,700 metres) between July 27 and August 9, 2010 that involved an infantry battalion of the PLA Air Force's (PLAAF) XV Airborne Corps and six Su-27SKs drawn from the 97th Regiment of the Chongqing/Baishiyi -based 33rd Fighter Division (95661 Unit). Preparations for this exercise began in March 2010 and by May a train loaded with combat support equipment like ZBD-03 armoured infantry fighting vehicles had arrived in Lhasa using the Qinghai-Tibet railroad, the first time ever that the GLD's Military Transportation Department had made use of this railroad.





In addition, for the second year in a row, the PLA Army and the PLAAF last year conducted Brigade-level live-fire exercises on the foot of the snowcapped mountains on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau at an altitude of more than 5,000 metres. Though the exercises, dubbed as Integrated Joint Operations (IJO), were conducted under the command of the Tibet Military District, which comes under the Chengdu Military Region (MR), a few select field artillery and armoured formations belonging to the Lanzhou MR also took part in the combined arms exercises, which got underway last July and lasted till last October.


PLAAF elements again deployed in 2011 Shigatse air base between last August and November, these being six Su-27SKs and three Su-27UBKs from the Chengdu Military Region's (MR) Chongqing/Baishiyi-based 33 Fighter Division's with 98 and 99 Air Regiments, and three J-10s from the Mengzi-based 44 Fighter Division's 131 Air Regiment (based in Luliang). While some of the Su-27SKs engaged in defensive counter-air sorties, others were armed with 122mm S-13 and 266mm S-25 air-to-ground rockets for straffing runs. The J-10s on the other hand were armed with PL-11 beyond-range and PL-8 within-visual-range air combat missiles for air superiority taskings, and also took part in daytime precision strikes by dropping LT-2 laser-guided bombs (LGB), which were guided to their targets in both daytime and at night by man-portable laser target designators. And in another first for the PLAAF, a detachment of four J-10 MRCAs from 131 Air Regiment began a two week-long deployment at Shigatse starting January 21 this year, during which tactical airspace dominance exercises were conducted in coordination with the PLAAF's ground-based airspace surveillance radar stations deployed within the Tibet Military District. And last February, a detachment of four J-10s from the 131 Air Regiment practiced the dropping of LT-2 LGBs (which were guided to their targets in both daytime and at night by man-portable laser target designators) and gravity bombs.



Shigatse is now being upgraded into Tibet's first all-weather air base capable of sustaining high-intensity offensive air sorties, and is now protected by the JL-3D-90A long-range airspace surveillance radar, a Battery of HQ-12/KS-1A MR-SAM air defence system and a combination of FN-6 MANPADS, LD-2000 point-defence systems, and SmartHunter low-probability-of-intercept radars. During hostilities, Shigatse, falling under the Lanzhou MR, could also receive reinforcements from the Yinchuan AB-based 6 Fighter Division with 16 (Su-27SKs and Su-27UBKs), 17, 18 & 139 Air Regiments; Wulumuqi AB-based 37 Fighter Division comprising 109 (J-8Fs at Changji), 110 (Urumqi South) & 111 (with J-11s at Korla-Xinhiang) Air Regiments; and Wugong AB-based 36 Bomber Division with its 106, 107 (Lintong) and 108 (Wugong) Air Regiments, and the 93942 AAA Missile Brigade.


Since all types of combat aircraft to be operated over Tibet have to fly at the critical limit of their respective flight envelopes with reduced safety margins, and since the unpredictable weather there calls for a high level of flying skills (veteran pilots' oft-repeated warning is: "you can take chances with the hills, you can take chances with the weather, but it is suicidal to take chances with the weather and the hills at the same time".), it will be interesting to see in future whether:
· The PLAAF initiates the development of rocket-powered LGBs (like the AASM from SAGEM) for its Su-27SKs and J-10s, since such PGMs offer distinct advantages over their gliding counterparts when used for hitting targets located at high altitudes.
· The 106, 107 and 108 Air Regiments are equipped with newly-built H-6K bombers that are capable of launching CJ-10K air-launched cruise missiles.

· The PLAAF deploys its H-6U aerial refuelling tankers in support of its future periodic deployments of Su-27SKs and J-10s (each of which are equipped with four external fuel tanks during their ferry flights and two during battlefield air interdiction sorties) to Shigatse.

· The PLAAF accelerates the development of conformal fuel tanks for its J-10s—Prasun K. Sengupta
 

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Well they have to come and get us. A "62" will not happen and that is not a complacent statement an even the Chinis know that. No matter how much we say we are under prepared, but the Chinis with all that big power pretentious that they have cannot afford what happened in 62 where they had to call it quits because they could not continue any longer. For India, holding the line is good enough and that will be a disgraceful loss for china which is pretending to be a super power wanting to put India in its place.

Guess what? India is ready to do more than just hold an actually mount an offensive. Chinis can only do this much. Play games on the other side of McMahon line.
 
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This can be a good opportunity to fight the war over Tibet that should have been fought
initially.
 

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u mean 1962 wasnt your 1st opportunity??....initially??

well then there will be no 2nd 1.....
 

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if one day china begins the forward south policy...u will know what is the real so called backstab....
 

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Come on we all know Chicoms are not mumble jumble like MMS or his Buffoons. they are a cunning group of backstabbers who can and will do anything to suit them.

So if the Chicoms have not yet attacked us, then it is only because they know they cant win.:bounce:

But another scenerio is of course:notsure:-" they could have bought the CONs, because they definitely will sell us if given a chance?:sad:"
 

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