China Can Surely Repeat 1962 If India doesn't take any Action

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Dalai Lama is our honored guest but using him to send indirect messages to China is not right. We dont need any external reason to finger point or send indirect messages to China. We need to be direct with China when it comes to our border issue and other aggressive stance by China.
 

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Dalai Lama is our honored guest but using him to send indirect messages to China is not right. We dont need any external reason to finger point or send indirect messages to China. We need to be direct with China when it comes to our border issue and other aggressive stance by China.
China is our Neighbour, it need not send Indirecte messages to India and its not right. They dont need an external reason called Pakistan or Kashmir to finger point or send indirect messages to India. They need to be Direct with india
 

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India Shows China the Finger! Dalai Lama conferred Doctorate and he says its a signal to china of India's support! This is a strong stand by India since Wens visit is next month

Wen's coming next month, and If the Stapled Visa for JK is not solved, then plans set for Issuing Stapled Visa for Tibetans! India is playing ball and hard ball at that!
ahmedsid sir ji do u work in IFS. are u member of north or south block. how do u know that this steps would be taken if issue of staple vivsa is not solved out ;;D
 

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1. As I understand it, 1962 happened because Indian deployments (decided by politicians) were more akin to political posturing than with a view to fighting a full war with adequate support.

2. Even if China does somehow start a war and does have an initial advantage, India isn't just going to stop halfway. It would eventually mobilise its full potential and it would be a lot closer to its logistical centre than China.

3. India's air force has reportedly bested US pilots in exercise engagements and can be counted on to interdict the Chinese logistical effort successfully ?

4. Besides, taking territory is one thing and paying the cost of holding onto it is another. This applies as much to India, China or Pakistan. Just ask the US about the cost of its presence in Afghanistan.
 

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1. As I understand it, 1962 happened because Indian deployments (decided by politicians) were more akin to political posturing than with a view to fighting a full war with adequate support.

1962 happened because of 3 main things:

- Prime Minister Nehru's romanticizing of a peaceful monk-like state based on Utopian idealism of "peace" that made this dreamy man halt any modernization of existing military equipment of that time; which was of WW2 standards all while Mao's China was armed with latest Soviet automatic weapons and in large numbers.

- China's repeated dual-mode engagement with India. While Tibet has served as a peaceful buffer zone for both the countries for years, its invasion sent 2 messages across the table to us, one of which didn't catch the eyes of our dumb leaders: Bow to China or suffer the risk of territories being taken.

- Unclear intentions of Chinese government that were uncovered only much later when it was too late for ill equipped Indian military to respond.

2. Even if China does somehow start a war and does have an initial advantage, India isn't just going to stop halfway. It would eventually mobilise its full potential and it would be a lot closer to its logistical centre than China.
Chinese tactics are vastly different these days due to the changing platform of warfare. Chinese would never engage in WW2 style mass attacks but rather in sabotage and pinprick attacks that would be made possible through the rapidly developing logistics across the border on Tibetan side to supply PLA special units with additional power. China's consistent policy after being thwarted in Chola incident skirmish was "what we can't take in miles, let's take in inches". Hence full blown war will never happen while China will continue its pinprick strategy alongside feeding moles in Indian government such as Communist Party of India.

3. India's air force has reportedly bested US pilots in exercise engagements and can be counted on to interdict the Chinese logistical effort successfully ?
Agreed that IAF will strike this time far more decisively. But to be honest, US isn't the best opponent to match for if pilot skill has to be taken into notice. Their excessive dependence on technology often makes them very weak in environments where some system malfunctions or they cannot handle the pressure. Someone to actually consider fierce are Israeli air force who have a deadly reputation that precedes them.

I am not underestimating US but so far, they have only fought very very small and less-capable air forces head on and that too in coalition and this is the reason for their victories post WW2. In Vietnam war, MiG- equipped Viet Cong pilots thrashed the hell out of US jets for quite sometime until sheer technology and force overwhelmed Vietnamese pilots. The Sino-Indian air conflict will be in a very very different, very difficult theater; the Himalayas where fuel and ordinance both will be limited during engagement, where foggy and unclear skies make the next turn impossible for pilots to see and where the enemy SAMs could be anywhere and plain out of sight or radar range.

4. Besides, taking territory is one thing and paying the cost of holding onto it is another. This applies as much to India, China or Pakistan. Just ask the US about the cost of its presence in Afghanistan.
US's taking of Afghanistan and its current troubles are simply due to very faulty techniques applied. Now I won't bore you with my analysis but US was repeatedly asked to attend a join conference on how to approach Afghanistan by 2 regional players who know how to tackle this problem the most: Russia and India. We repeatedly told Bush admin (according to a paper released in 2008) that carpet bombing and conventional rundown missions will not help conquer Afghanistan since Taliban run Afghanistan was based more or less along the tribal lines of medieval Mongolia than a regular country of today's time. They refused the advices of both Russians and us and see where it took them.

Russia has the most experience of all regional players in Afghanistan all while thanks to Pakistan's militant tactics in our state of J&K, our troops have perfected the art of counter-insurgency in mountainous terrain and are battle-hardened with full counter-techniques how to take down small units of guerilla terrorists effectively; something which the US Army didn't understand and continue to make same mistakes over and over again just as their Russian counterparts made in 80s.

Again the cost of holding onto the land in this situation varies big time since first of all, local northeastern population of India HATES China. And I being from northeast myself, know this quite well about my people. Despite lack of too much material prosperity, our people don't care about material gains but retention of their individuality and culture; which goes against CCP's principles. PLA will find it difficult to stay onto this land due to local hostility, but the point is we as a nation want to be able to combat PLA in case it runs afoul of its claimed peaceful co-existence policy. India will never be the aggressor. But we will always be aggressively defensive.
 

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Tshering, your post was one of the most epic posts I have ever read.:emot112:
 

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Is China a threat to India?

The military as well as political leadership of India have recently issued statements referring to China as a security threat to their country. In October, Indian Army Chief General V K Singh, while speaking at a seminar in New Delhi, had bracketed China with Pakistan as 'major irritant' for India's security. A couple of months earlier the Indian army chief had caused a heated controversy in the political and diplomatic circles of Pakistan by claiming in a statement that India was working on a defence doctrine based on the capability to simultaneously fight a war with Pakistan and China. The statement was somehow ignored by China but it evoked a sharp reaction from the top military leadership of Pakistan. In a similar but wider context, the same view was expressed by Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh in September that China was seeking influence in South Asia at India's expense. Calling the expansion of China's bilateral relations in trade, economic cooperation and security fields with Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as "new assertiveness by the Chinese", the Indian Prime Minister said that that Beijing was trying to "have a foothold in South Asia, and we have to reflect on this reality". Sino-Indian strategic discord was further highlighted in October when China denied a visa to an Indian general based in Kashmir. Most interestingly, the Indian concerns seem to centre on growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean — a water body India perceives as its exclusive preserve.

The Indian perception of China as a security threat has been for quite long an important element of the Indian security doctrine, although Chinese leaders have repeatedly asserted that China neither sees India as a threat nor does it pose any threat to India. India relates its nuclear weapons development programme to the perceived nuclear threat from China, despite the fact that China never resorted to nuclear sabre-rattling against India. It is also true that despite robust bilateral trade, which may exceed $ 50 billion in 2010, mutual mistrust between the two countries continues to persist. The Indian media never misses an opportunity to play up this mistrust to sour relations between Beijing and New Delhi. Thus, on the one hand, there are positive and encouraging developments in relations between India and China; on the other, India's political and military leadership and media continues to raise the bogey of a threat from China. The traditional theory that India does so in order to curry favour with the US, which itself is worried about the lengthening Chinese shadows over Southeast Asia and South Asia, fails to explain this, as, according to a Pentagon Report of 2009, the US is convinced that China can play a positive role in South Asia, particularly in defusing Pakistan-India tension. Then why has India suddenly started whipping up the perceived threat from China; and do the recent Chinese moves in South Asia pose a threat to Indian security? In order to find an answer to this question, we will have to analyse the traditional Chinese policy towards South Asia, particularly recent initiatives focusing on the promotion of bilateral trade and economic cooperation with countries that are strategically located in the Indian Ocean, and look at the Indian self-image and its perceived role in South Asia.

Unlike most western countries, including the US and Russia, China has never looked at South Asia through Indian eyes. It is to be noted that even at the height of Sino-India friendship epitomised by the slogan 'Hindi-Cheeni bhai bhai' (Indians-Chinese are brothers) and despite the fact that Pakistan had joined avowedly the anti-China military pact Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO), China never publicly endorsed the Indian stance on Kashmir. The Chinese have interacted with smaller countries of South Asia since the People's Republic of China was established in 1949 but they never used their presence to influence the security and foreign policies of these countries. Chinese peripheries — and South Asia being one of them — constitute the areas of special focus of the foreign policy of China for the reason that tensions and instability in these regions will have a spillover effect on the Chinese mainland. This is the reason why trade, investment and economic cooperation relations occupy top priority in China's approach towards expanding relations with its neighbouring countries. In South Asia, this approach is reflected in a more than 30 times increase in bilateral trade with India, focus on commerce and investment, involvement in the development of infrastructure and the energy sector in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and, most importantly, Chinese acquisition of an observer state status in SAARC summits. China did not oppose India's signing a civil nuclear deal with the US and has offered India a long-term relationship based on a strategic partnership. China is a consistent supporter of the Pakistan-India peace process and, according to former prime minister Zafarullah Jamali, China was one of those countries that played a behind-the-scenes role in facilitating the resumption of the Pakistan-India peace talks in 2004. Then why should India raise the spectre of a Chinese threat to its security?

It is because through expanded bilateral relationships with Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Burma, China looks poised, in India's perception, to 'dominate' the Indian Ocean the way the British did for two hundred years by acting on the strategy developed by famous Portuguese Admiral Albuquerque. This strategy was based on the control of three key points in the Indian Ocean — Aden in the west, Malacca Straits in the East and Ceylon in the centre. In addition to this, India still sticks to its traditional view of regarding the entire South Asia region as its sphere of influence and finds it difficult to reconcile with unfettered freedom of options by the peripheral states to engage with extra-regional powers like China.





http://asiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-china-threat-to-india.html
 

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^^^^ What a bunch of BS packed together in cheap Chinese toilet paper!! :)
 

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Is China a threat to India?

The military as well as political leadership of India have recently issued statements referring to China as a security threat to their country. In October, Indian Army Chief General V K Singh, while speaking at a seminar in New Delhi, had bracketed China with Pakistan as 'major irritant' for India's security. A couple of months earlier the Indian army chief had caused a heated controversy in the political and diplomatic circles of Pakistan by claiming in a statement that India was working on a defence doctrine based on the capability to simultaneously fight a war with Pakistan and China. The statement was somehow ignored by China but it evoked a sharp reaction from the top military leadership of Pakistan. In a similar but wider context, the same view was expressed by Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh in September that China was seeking influence in South Asia at India's expense. Calling the expansion of China's bilateral relations in trade, economic cooperation and security fields with Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as "new assertiveness by the Chinese", the Indian Prime Minister said that that Beijing was trying to "have a foothold in South Asia, and we have to reflect on this reality". Sino-Indian strategic discord was further highlighted in October when China denied a visa to an Indian general based in Kashmir. Most interestingly, the Indian concerns seem to centre on growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean — a water body India perceives as its exclusive preserve.

The Indian perception of China as a security threat has been for quite long an important element of the Indian security doctrine, although Chinese leaders have repeatedly asserted that China neither sees India as a threat nor does it pose any threat to India. India relates its nuclear weapons development programme to the perceived nuclear threat from China, despite the fact that China never resorted to nuclear sabre-rattling against India. It is also true that despite robust bilateral trade, which may exceed $ 50 billion in 2010, mutual mistrust between the two countries continues to persist. The Indian media never misses an opportunity to play up this mistrust to sour relations between Beijing and New Delhi. Thus, on the one hand, there are positive and encouraging developments in relations between India and China; on the other, India's political and military leadership and media continues to raise the bogey of a threat from China. The traditional theory that India does so in order to curry favour with the US, which itself is worried about the lengthening Chinese shadows over Southeast Asia and South Asia, fails to explain this, as, according to a Pentagon Report of 2009, the US is convinced that China can play a positive role in South Asia, particularly in defusing Pakistan-India tension. Then why has India suddenly started whipping up the perceived threat from China; and do the recent Chinese moves in South Asia pose a threat to Indian security? In order to find an answer to this question, we will have to analyse the traditional Chinese policy towards South Asia, particularly recent initiatives focusing on the promotion of bilateral trade and economic cooperation with countries that are strategically located in the Indian Ocean, and look at the Indian self-image and its perceived role in South Asia.

Unlike most western countries, including the US and Russia, China has never looked at South Asia through Indian eyes. It is to be noted that even at the height of Sino-India friendship epitomised by the slogan 'Hindi-Cheeni bhai bhai' (Indians-Chinese are brothers) and despite the fact that Pakistan had joined avowedly the anti-China military pact Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO), China never publicly endorsed the Indian stance on Kashmir. The Chinese have interacted with smaller countries of South Asia since the People's Republic of China was established in 1949 but they never used their presence to influence the security and foreign policies of these countries. Chinese peripheries — and South Asia being one of them — constitute the areas of special focus of the foreign policy of China for the reason that tensions and instability in these regions will have a spillover effect on the Chinese mainland. This is the reason why trade, investment and economic cooperation relations occupy top priority in China's approach towards expanding relations with its neighbouring countries. In South Asia, this approach is reflected in a more than 30 times increase in bilateral trade with India, focus on commerce and investment, involvement in the development of infrastructure and the energy sector in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and, most importantly, Chinese acquisition of an observer state status in SAARC summits. China did not oppose India's signing a civil nuclear deal with the US and has offered India a long-term relationship based on a strategic partnership. China is a consistent supporter of the Pakistan-India peace process and, according to former prime minister Zafarullah Jamali, China was one of those countries that played a behind-the-scenes role in facilitating the resumption of the Pakistan-India peace talks in 2004. Then why should India raise the spectre of a Chinese threat to its security?

It is because through expanded bilateral relationships with Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Burma, China looks poised, in India's perception, to 'dominate' the Indian Ocean the way the British did for two hundred years by acting on the strategy developed by famous Portuguese Admiral Albuquerque. This strategy was based on the control of three key points in the Indian Ocean — Aden in the west, Malacca Straits in the East and Ceylon in the centre. In addition to this, India still sticks to its traditional view of regarding the entire South Asia region as its sphere of influence and finds it difficult to reconcile with unfettered freedom of options by the peripheral states to engage with extra-regional powers like China.





http://asiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-china-threat-to-india.html


Would agree with this article if China:

1) Stops stapled visa policies against Kashmiri Indians
2) Hands back 19,000 sq.Kms of our territory legally
3) Withdraws claims for fresh provinces of our territory.

You're free to pursue your love with Pakistan and we don't care if you can do this for us. We will gladly be the friendliest nation to you on this planet if you can keep these 3 promises.
 

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China is not a threat to India?

And India is not perceived as a threat to China?

Send this to the Jokes Thread.

Who is this blogger?
 

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