China Can Surely Repeat 1962 If India doesn't take any Action

[captonjohn]

take it easy! as many Indians guys here said once,most of PLA's weapons are all outdated than that of Indian arm force.

Indian arm force has a quality edge on PLA and can asskick PLA easily..so take it easy and have a good sleep.

Look, China cant do a 1962!

This is the same thinking which we had in 1962 and seen the result. "CHINA CAN'T ATTACK ON US OR IT WILL BE WORLD WAR!!" this same thinking was the main reason that we faced war with china.

This is Paranoia! If China has made strides in Defence, so Have we! Our Infrastructure is not as much developed as theirs, but do you think our Govt and Forces will wait it out will China marches in?

Of course we can do a lot but this is my point that our government hasn't took enough actions for this. And our forces won't wait neither will leave PLA but as far as you are forgetting about our leadership. Our leadership is suffering a fobia of chinese attack and engaged in cheap politics and avoiding our defense needs. See since how long MRCA deal is pending? Light weight howitzer, LCA induction, slow Arjun induction etc. indicates how serious our government are.

Even tell me how much missiles we've included to army? Agni-II & Prithvi and some brahmose. I'm not doubting on IA's capability but pointing out on our government and leadership's impotent behavior.

1962 was a Different Era! We had just got independence and fresh off the NON VIOLENT mode! 1962 was our First True Military Action (barring 48). We were left wanting, and in 1965 we got out act back somewhat and in 71 we redeemed our Fighting Skills! In the 80s, we showed the Chinese we are serious about our Security!

China already claiming arunanchal, now issuing stapled visa to kashmir people, supporting maoist in india, deploying troops in kashmir, took Nepal, Shrilanka, myammar to his side. Now what are our government waiting for? Do you think our government is serious? Whole public is now serious, our Army is serious even you & me are serious but government is sleeping and underestimating the seriousness of present circumstances.

So anyone saying we will just let the chinese walk in, is living a dream, a fools dream! We can give them back, just as bad as we get! We have enough to fight a war, and remember China is not the USA, to bomb us to the stone age! Whatever they got, we too got!

All this talk of China makes them look like the USA and we CUBA!

I'm not saying that we'll let the chinese walk in BUT NOT taking enough action and continuously underestimating situations is a type foolishness. I'm not talking about large scale war because China also know that he can't afford to have a full scale war with India but China also know that Indian government don't have guts to declare full scale war and punish china appropriately. Hence china can start a limited war, a type of strong blow in very short time and my motive is to highlight this possibility so that we can think to prevent such blow rather than face a war than retake our land.

And GOI again misunderstanding about possibility of two front war. In fact India may have to fight on three fronts simultaneously and that possible fronts may be
1. Kashmir because of strong hold of pakistan and now chinese hold on aksai chin.
2. Pakistani bad intention may engage us on western front and
3. Arunanchal front where china has heavy presence as a threat for india.

Of course we are NOT cuba but we are becoming like Britain of WWII era who ignored all unforgivable actions of Germany and then faced an attack.

 

[ajtr]

I wish all these Arm Chair Prime Ministers and Generals would think a bit beyond their narrow mindset! Its not easy in the Real World Politics and Power Games! You all can sit here in a forum and air your views, and it ends there! Try starting Diplomatic Relations with Taiwan, and see what happens! The Very Next Moment, China will pursue its Pakistan Policy even more aggressively! Right now theres a status quo! Taiwan has a Pro Mainland Govt, and they wont heed to indias overtures and we are not the USA for them to look upto us to suplly F35s!

There is a lot more than writing in forums that goes into politics! Its a game!!

When the News came out in the NYT, India did voice concern and Pakistan denied everything, as usual! What could India have done? Go to War? I suggest you all folks calling GOI impotent first join the Army and live the life out and then talk of aggressive posturing and tactics!

Does it mater if China will pursue Pakistan policy more aggressively???Isn't it already doing so.Btw Status quo is in indian minds.There is no such term called status quo.Its being changed at greater pace since in last 6 decades.Status quo is only only on Indian minds not on its neighbors' mind.Even in Realpolitik there is no such term-"what else india can do".there can always be something that can be done.

http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/2009/06/china-is-upping-ante-on-arunachal.html

If in the past, officially-sanctioned commentary would charge India with buying in to the "China threat" theory of the West, the Global Times editorial now finds fault with New Delhi's unwillingness to gang up with other countries in an attempt to contain China:

"Indian politicians these days seem to think their country would be doing China a huge favor simply by not joining the "ring around China" established by the US and Japan".
Taking note of India's rise, the Chinese newspaper said this growing power would have "a significant impact on the balance of this equation" and this had led India to believe China would defer to it on territorial disputes out of "fear and gratitude for its restraint".

This was pure "wishful thinking" on India's part, it noted. "China won't make any compromises in its border disputes with India. And while China wishes to coexist peacefully with India, this desire isn't born out of fear".

Sure globaltime can be like Hafiz saeed ranting in lahore rally.but sure they throw a point of view that can be implemented by the establishment.Same the case with india.Govt mostly brings out its plans through media in bits and pieces and hence globaltimes rant cant be taken as rant alone.



The question should not be what can we do? rather than it should be we must do it...

 

[captonjohn]

The Title of the Thread is dumb, in the sense, it expects India to NOT TAKE ACTION!

I mean, why would India sit with their hands tied down when China takes over Arunachal and other areas? I mean, what logic is that? Why do we need to look upto USA and Russia to fight a war for us? Are we pakistan? NO! The thread starter is actually degrading our Country and Armed Forces with such thoughts! We are perfectly capable to holding off the chinese!

And as for AJTR talking about Baltistan and all, well those areas were not under our Control! It was under Pak control and they sold it to China, and I would have bought your Argument if the Chinese annexed it from us, which is not the case. The onus is on Pakistan, as they the Protector of the Muslim Kashmir, sold off a piece of Muslim Land to the Godless Chinese for a piece of Pie, in this case JF17

@ahmedsid,
There are many things which doesn't seems clear but we've to see that. I'm not saying that India would sit and wait for US & Russia to help but you can't deny the fact that if full scale war occurs between India & China then India will have to fight with Pak-China axis which has numerical advantages against India. Our government is living in illusion that we can counter only by making good relations with US & Russia and not giving priority to increase our armed forces strength seriously. This is my point, I'm not degrading our forces capability but we can't avoid the truth and challenges which may face in future and to counter these challenges Indian armed forces have to prepare more with better equipments and more better strategy and training. That's it. We are still capable to hold china but we are not showing aggressively that if china attacks on any part of india then it would be full scale war. If we clearly show this message to china then china can't attack on us. Simple.

 

[pankaj nema]

Intelligence agencies AND the GOVTS of Pakistan and China know much more about India's military strength THAN we the common people.

Our Govts obsession with secrecy MAKES us civilians paranoid
OUR GOVT GIVES A ONE LINE STATEMENT
It is : The govt is committed to protecting India's sovereignity and territorial integrity

Actions speak louder than words.

Both China and Pakistan WANT our territory .What prevents them from TAKING it today.
Our STRENGTH.

The Chinese are frustrated bcos Pakistan's decline and India's rise has happened simultaneously.

SO When it comes to global stature India cannot be hyphenated with Pakistan and India is increasingly being talked in the same breath as China .THIS bothers China .Hence the Chinese Antics will continue

India must keep on preparing for 2 front war

 

[captonjohn]

the only option to stop any chinese blow or so called "PUSH" is that we clearly indicates by our actions that we will respond in very decisive way and would NOT accept any ceasefire until we don't get our land back. By vanishing naxlies completely, aggressive military buildup along indo-china border, increasing our troops on kashmir, stoping chinese product for indian market would clearly message china that India won't accept any misadventure by china and would surely respond in appropriate way and ceasefire from china won't stop Indian to take their land back.

 

[ajtr]

Isn't it that all is not always in the public domain?

India can do very little in areas not under their physical control except activate the diplomatic pressure.

And China is hardly a nation that cares about any other country's opinion, but their own!

Even east pakistan(bangladesh) wasn't in indian control and india did cross international border to create a whole new country out of it against overwhelming international pressure when 4 of the P-5 states against it and Two where making threatening military maneuvers.Question is of leadership if it buckles under pressure then the country looks meek.That time indira gandhi didnt ask Manekshaw that "what can we do ?" about march massacre she directly asked "Can we do it now" and she knew the her generals and gave them ample time to prepare for December V-day.Now that was international boundary india crossed then but Azad kashmir is what india considers its own so why hesitate now.

 

[ajtr]

Intelligence agencies AND the GOVTS of Pakistan and China know much more about India's military strength THAN we the common people.

Our Govts obsession with secrecy MAKES us civilians paranoid
OUR GOVT GIVES A ONE LINE STATEMENT
It is : The govt is committed to protecting India's sovereignity and territorial integrity

Actions speak louder than words.

Both China and Pakistan WANT our territory .What prevents them from TAKING it today.
Our STRENGTH.

The Chinese are frustrated bcos Pakistan's decline and India's rise has happened simultaneously.

SO When it comes to global stature India cannot be hyphenated with Pakistan and India is increasingly being talked in the same breath as China .THIS bothers China .Hence the Chinese Antics will continue

India must keep on preparing for 2 front war

sorry early time i'm sleepy.

 

[pankaj nema]

My God Ajtr you are simply loosing it.
Please read carefully what I have written.

I said that "Intelligence agencies of PAKISTAN AND CHINA AND The govts of China and Pakistan "

Intelligence agencies have to find out what is the real strength of the enemy.
So they must be knowing about our Strength Hence they are QUIET

BTW your desire of taking back POK is QUIXOTIC to say the least

 

[captonjohn]

By the way I must say that India can't live with peace until it shows his power to their neighbors. Also whole kashmir must be in Indian control including POK too because this is the haven of terrorists to train and infiltrate in India. So India must capture POK and should take whole Kashmir back by throwing terrorists to pakistan.

 

[badguy2000]

hahah,what a hysteriacal farce!

even a flood in 2012 would be more possible than one CHina's attack at India, if India were not so foolish to attack CHina first!

May guys here have a good sleep!

BTW, We chinese has won the race by economy force, why should we be so stupid to risk launching a war?

Wars usually are launched by the one who can not win the race by peaceful ways!

those losers of peace economy race have much more reasons to launch wars,such as Yankees.

 

[badguy2000]

hahah,what a hysteriacal farce!

even a flood in 2012 would be more possible than one CHina's attack at India, if India were not so foolish to attack CHina first!

May guys here have a good sleep!

BTW, We chinese has won the race by economy force, why should we be so stupid to risk launching a war?

Wars usually are launched by the one who can not win the race by peaceful ways!

those losers of peace economy race have much more reasons to launch wars,such as Yankees.

BTW,if the current tendency keeps on,China can easily turn all neighbours of india into the allies or clientstates of CHina, just with peaceful economy force.

So, it is not necessary for China to use arm force at all, however powerful CHinese arm force is !


If India really want to stop the "expansion" of CHina, India should cencentrate in developing its economy force, instead of waisting money in importing useless white elephents .

 

[ajtr]

My God Ajtr you are simply loosing it.
Please read carefully what I have written.

I said that "Intelligence agencies of PAKISTAN AND CHINA AND The govts of China and Pakistan "

Intelligence agencies have to find out what is the real strength of the enemy.
So they must be knowing about our Strength Hence they are QUIET

BTW your desire of taking back POK is QUIXOTIC to say the least

If it were to be Quixotic then day in day out GOI wont shout on every international forum day in day out that whole J&K is integral part of india

 

[captonjohn]

BTW,if the current tendency keeps on,China can easily turn all neighbours of india into the allies or clientstates of CHina, just with peaceful economy force.

So, it is not necessary for China to use arm force at all, however powerful CHinese arm force is !


If India really want to stop the "expansion" of CHina, India should cencentrate in developing its economy force, instead of waisting money in importing useless white elephents .

LOL wish that whole China think the same but this doesn't seems by Chinese actions along Indo-China border, relation with Pakistan, presence in POK etc. If China really wants peace then why that much incursion has occurred during last few years as both country has already recognized a clear boundary? India won't attack on China first as but this would apply only if China don't provide active military support to Pakistan in POK.

 

[badguy2000]

LOL wish that whole China think the same but this doesn't seems by Chinese actions along Indo-China border, relation with Pakistan, presence in POK etc. If China really wants peace then why that much incursion has occurred during last few years as both country has already recognized a clear boundary? India won't attack on China first as but this would apply only if China don't provide active military support to Pakistan in POK.

There is not a clear boudary commonly agreeed by both CHina and India at all.

So,the "incursion" so called might just be a deliberate or undeliberate cross across th boundary-line unilaterally definited by Indians",which is never accepted by CHina.

 

[maomao]

hahah,what a hysteriacal farce!

even a flood in 2012 would be more possible than one CHina's attack at India, if India were not so foolish to attack CHina first!

May guys here have a good sleep!

Define attack? Who is foolish? The one who has already attacked once (in this case China) and is creating incursions almost every week or someone who is building up its defenses?

Don't worry girlie we sleep tight ever night, its you who should worry, especially when a forcible eviction notice can be sent to you by CCP.

BTW, We chinese has won the race by economy force, why should we be so stupid to risk launching a war?

Its stupid to say China has won the race, this race of dominance in economy and trade it eternal and will never end. By your logic you have already proved you have been stupid in the past and still remain one!

Wars usually are launched by the one who can not win the race by peaceful ways!

those losers of peace economy race have much more reasons to launch wars,such as Yankees.

Great!! You admit that you cannot win the race in a peacful manner, as you had attacked in the past and even today you Bully/Threaten almost all of your neighbours.... So practically you admit you are a "loser"? Correct? This is what you meant? :happy_2:

 

[jayz india]

@ badguy2000 lol,well the weapons part is true by the way is the year 2000 in ur name ur birth year as well,it sure seems like it

 

[jayz india]

what makes u think that yankees r losers anyways????they launch wars because they can,heck even when obama said they believe in one china n is still arming tibet which is ur backyard,what was ur reaction economically by that?no deals with company selling weapons to taiwan,heck u guys r already under military sanctions,wars r launched by ones who have strategical interests,look at middle east almost every country there is controlled by the US,dats y there is no one stopping the yankees or in ur terms looser yankees,u havent seen them fight in wars against strong opposition,ur ccp knows very well that if u guys go to war what will be the consequences then ur economic power wont be able to do anything

 

[jayz india]

There is not a clear boudary commonly agreeed by both CHina and India at all.

So,the "incursion" so called might just be a deliberate or undeliberate cross across th boundary-line unilaterally definited by Indians",which is never accepted by CHina.

we dont care if its accepted by china or not,the boundary is set by the constitution of india and if u cross it deliberately or not u have made incursions in our territory

 

[SHASH2K2]

There is not a clear boudary commonly agreeed by both CHina and India at all.

So,the "incursion" so called might just be a deliberate or undeliberate cross across th boundary-line unilaterally definited by Indians",which is never accepted by CHina.

Does it really matter these days? We donot accept your claim over Tibet and Aksai chin. This acceptance has little or no significance except using it as bargain chip from time to time?

 

[jayz india]

BTW,if the current tendency keeps on,China can easily turn all neighbours of india into the allies or clientstates of CHina, just with peaceful economy force.

So, it is not necessary for China to use arm force at all, however powerful CHinese arm force is !


If India really want to stop the "expansion" of CHina, India should cencentrate in developing its economy force, instead of waisting money in importing useless white elephents .

apart from pakistan,which other client state can u guys make,pakistan has always been a client state to one or the other,look at our other neighbors,we support bangladesh more than u do,it is surrounded by india on three sides,u think they r naive enough to be a client state of china??what about nepal they r getting a lot closer then they were 5 years ago,sri lanka sits at india's feet geographically,u thick they will allow u to use the port in the event of war,bhutan is even protected by indian armed forces

worry about china kid,india has growing ties with vietnam,who kicked ur butts big time,japan singapore,myanmar will stay neutral to say the least,so in an event of war man to man u guys r not even worth fighting