China beats India by a huge margin

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@jon88 if you are a hindu then in to pakistan where temples are destroyed everyday,sandals have symbol of Om,did in india any religion have that much of hatred except 2-3 occasions, we can express our views against government where in china you have to agree what government says then doesn't matter even they are killing your child,AND EVEN XI AGREED THAT CORRUPTION IS A PROBLEM OF CHINA , at least we have right to get information of every government department and calculate the budget (except atomic sector for security reason), people can oppose kudankulam or jaitapur project, china would have killed them and most of the time our people oppose new projects ,if this happens in china then they kill those people and starts the project , india's border disputes against neighbour are not started by india and by pakistan and china,people in china can't even say against corruption cause there is dictatorship and we can file case against corrupt people like against kalmadi,chavan etc

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@jon88 there is a basic rule of political science : WITHOUT FREEDOM THERE IS NO VALUE TO EQUALITY, communist nation kills freedom for equality, TROTSKY ( WHO WAS A FOUNDER OF RUSSIAN COMMUNISM WITH STALIN) SAID ABOUT RUSSIAN COMMUNISM THAT "IT WILL GO AHEAD TO CAPITALISM OR GO BACK TO SOCIALISM." since 1979 china is a capitalist nation cause they changed there policy and since then they don't have economic equity neighter freedom and you know there policy of dictatorship which resulted into latest terrorist attack at a railway station where people were killed by swore

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Let's change this a bit and see whether it applies

Modi was product of populism combined with traditional hatred towards Muslims in India. Modi did not get majority in elections, he imposed himself due to strong extremist hindus and most importantly, fear created by China forced people to choose him as lesser evil.

Hmmm... the last part doesn't sound that so good or fitting

there can't be a hindu fascism cause the structure of hindu is quite like democracy. If you are a muslim them you have to accept and act like word of maulavi, christen have to act like what pope says(for catholic) but there is no such place in hindu and that's why hindus are tolerant and respects other religion

 

[Voldemort]

A young democracy has its set of challenges but I would hate being in a place where I'll have no freedom of expression.

 

[jon88]

You mean to say that majority of Hindus are extremist ?

Besides there is no fear of China,If that was the case then we would have tightened our belt and worked hard and impoved our economy and standards of living.

Most of us don't care about China because we have left the fate of our country at the hands of the lord.

Please read carefully... did i say the majority of Hindus are extremist? I said he imposed himself to extremist Hindus. meaning he did not impose himself to liberal Hindus. In which part of that sentence suggested that majority of Hindus are extremist?

 

[roma]

Why fall prey to this boorish Chinese superiority whom we are treating as a a guest on our forum. If this is how they behave as a guest, then what if they owned the forum ? As I did say before, most of them we brought up differently from us and as a result have little manners and we are again seeing it here.

Why compare China with India ? Why not compare the usa and Europe with China ? For decades they have been trailing behind the usa and Europe ? Even now Chinese are immigrating to Europe by the thousands and risk their lives hiding in containers to the usa and Europe

"¦so much for their economic data ? For all the economic data at then end of the day they come home to a Chinese wife whereas an Indian comes home to an Indian wife "¦.. Do the economic figures reflect that area of quality of life too ? Similarly what about the music and culture, the food and the freedom to think, speak ? Are those also in the economic figures ?
So don't fall prey to their mocking, don't give credibility to their gaping "¦ !

What we don't know are the repercussions and other consequences of their great economic growth - which will only be known later . Japan was hailed as the great economic genius a few decades back , "¦. Now we know better . So never mind China - we are not them , they are not us - it is largely irrelevant except as perhaps some inspiration "¦ but we have to do it OUR WAY !

We have to have daily progress in the important areas and stamp out corruption and malpractice . IS UPA delivering that to the nation ? Or would the people think a change to NDA might do better ? We will know in less than a month . After that happens, whichever government gets in, whether Congress-led or BJP -led, they will have to deliver to the people, to the economy. Thenceforth it has to be daily progress and a firm and real commitment to rooting out corruption and malpractice .

Do that and we will have improvement in our real lives - and the economic figures will reflect it accordingly and all the pundits all over the world will say this and that and interpret as they please and they can do that but meanwhile we have the experience of real progress in our lives.

So don't give too much credibility to a bunch of mockers who at the end of the day, go home to something else ! To get some inspiration out of it, to keep our system, and do better tomorrow, instead, I feel is fine .

 

[Pratap]

Indeed, India was ruled by dumb and useless people for the last 2000 years. They should have tried to be geniuses like Chinese. Indians managed a 12 centuries of first place in world's GDP and 6 centuries of 2nd place by narrow margin out of sheer dumb luck.

From where have you got your figures? Angus Maddison will be answer and let me tell you that he pulled numbers out of thin air.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@roma true i agree with you, a rapid growth in economy changes society, tradition,attitude,thinking and much more................. many people from city look anxious and the problem is lee time to adapt with new environment

 

[ninja85]

I know there is nothing new here but remember just 20 years ago China and India were on the same level but in just 20 years China has left us behind by half a century.

isn't that the beauty of 'one party' politics of communism where there is no other corrupt party or opposition to screw up the country more than that and you have full control over the country,although beside politics they don't run their business like communist but like capitalist.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

just look at japan,rapid growth has converted there culture totally into western culture .same gonna happen with china

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

here is proof of chinese corruption which I posted earlier @jon88
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/39130-china-beats-india-again-time-corruption.html

 

[Peter]

just look at japan,rapid growth has converted there culture totally into western culture .same gonna happen with china

I have to disagree with you here friend.Well Japanese culture still retains most of its Eastern or Asiatic values.Of course there is a strong western influence there.Japan has one of the lowest divorce rates among developed nations.Its people still are mostly Buddhists and followers of Shintoism unlike the west which is turning atheist day by day. Traditional family values are still respected there. IMO Japan is really a role model among developed countries. India should strive to follow the Japanese model. It should become a developed nation while retaining its traditional conservative family values.

 

[jon88]

here is proof of chinese corruption which I posted earlier @jon88
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/39130-china-beats-india-again-time-corruption.html

Hmmm... I don't know what to say.. One thread or one article by commentors of unknown qualification on the matter at hand suddenly becomes the definitive truth. All the sudden all authoritative international surveys and indexes becomes invalid and untrue because of one forum thread in defenceforumindia.com. Since when is a comment on a thread is considered as the most credible, unbiased truth? The most credible "truth" is from credible sources(note the emphasis on the plural rather than singular) and not some chit-chat forum.

It is not that I think China is any better in corruption, but the issue here is how you could use a forum thread as a credible proof. It's like treating rumours and hearsays as the definitive truth.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Hmmm... I don't know what to say.. One thread or one article by commentors of unknown qualification on the matter at hand suddenly becomes the definitive truth. All the sudden all authoritative international surveys and indexes becomes invalid and untrue because of one forum thread in defenceforumindia.com. Since when is a comment on a thread is considered as the most credible, unbiased truth? The most credible "truth" is from credible sources(note the emphasis on the plural rather than singular) and not some chit-chat forum.

It is not that I think China is any better in corruption, but the issue here is how you could use a forum thread as a credible proof. It's like treating rumours and hearsays as the definitive truth.

he has given a reference and here it is
http://m.economictimes.com/opinion/...s-time-in-corruption/articleshow/14933360.cms

 

[Pratap]

I have to disagree with you here friend.Well Japanese culture still retains most of its Eastern or Asiatic values.Of course there is a strong western influence there.Japan has one of the lowest divorce rates among developed nations.Its people still are mostly Buddhists and followers of Shintoism unlike the west which is turning atheist day by day. Traditional family values are still respected there. IMO Japan is really a role model among developed countries. India should strive to follow the Japanese model. It should become a developed nation while retaining its traditional conservative family values.

Good to know someone else shares this thought, particularly when he happens to be a CIA agent from Jadavpur.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@jon88
Since 1995, Transparency
International (TI) publishes
the Corruption Perceptions
Index (CPI) annually ranking
countries "by their perceived
levels of corruption, as
determined by expert
assessments and opinion
surveys."[1] The CPI generally
defines corruption as "the
misuse of public power for
private benefit."[2] As of
2010[update], the CPI ranks
178 countries "on a scale
from 10 (very clean) to 0
(highly corrupt)."[3]
China ranks at 75, Indian
ranks at 95.
reference :Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CrYsIs]

A young democracy has its set of challenges but I would hate being in a place where I'll have no freedom of expression.

It's an apple and orange situation...free to starve in India or live prosperously but with curtailed freedom in China.

If given an option i would choose the later because at least i can have 2 square meals a day.

 

[CrYsIs]

Please read carefully... did i say the majority of Hindus are extremist? I said he imposed himself to extremist Hindus. meaning he did not impose himself to liberal Hindus. In which part of that sentence suggested that majority of Hindus are extremist?

Who is a liberal hindu ? A person who votes for the congress?

 

[jon88]

he has given a reference and here it is
China beats India again, this time in corruption - The Economic Times on Mobile

The reference piece you provided is a columnist article or otherwise called an opinion piece. You can hardly call that as credible proof.

 

[jon88]

@jon88
Since 1995, Transparency
International (TI) publishes
the Corruption Perceptions
Index (CPI) annually ranking
countries "by their perceived
levels of corruption, as
determined by expert
assessments and opinion
surveys."[1] The CPI generally
defines corruption as "the
misuse of public power for
private benefit."[2] As of
2010[update], the CPI ranks
178 countries "on a scale
from 10 (very clean) to 0
(highly corrupt)."[3]
China ranks at 75, Indian
ranks at 95.
reference :Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

reference :Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your reference which is the above link, China is within the 40-49 region while India is in the 30-39 region. I am confused here, which number is the correct index number?