China and Japan dispute over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands

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Japan, China islands disputes deepen with landings, protests

East China Sea: Several Japanese nationalists landed on Sunday on a rocky island in the East China Sea at the heart of a territorial row with Beijing, sparking protests in several Chinese cities and a diplomatic rebuke from Beijing.

Tokyo and Beijing have been feuding for decades over the island chain, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, near potentially huge maritime gas fields.

Tensions flared last week after seven of a group of 14 Chinese activists slipped past Japan's Coast Guard to land on one of the uninhabited isles and raise a Chinese flag.
Early on Sunday, 10 members of a group of more than 100 Japanese nationalists who sailed to the island chain swam ashore to one of the islets and waved Japanese flags.

Three Japanese Coast Guard vessels were nearby, a Reuters TV journalist on board one of the boats said.

"I was hoping that someone with a real sense of Japanese spirit and courage would go and land and raise the flag, I just feel they've done a good job," said Kazuko Uematsu, local lawmaker from Shizuoka Prefecture who was part of the flotilla.

The activists later swam back to their boats and were being questioned by Japanese Customs officials.

"The illegal behaviour of Japanese right-wingers has violated China's territorial sovereignty," China's foreign ministry said in a statement.
On Sunday, more than 100 protesters gathered near the Japanese consulate in southern Guangzhou, waving Chinese flags and banners urging the Japanese to leave the islands, Xinhua news agency reported.

Protesters also gathered in the cities of Shenzhen, Qingdao and Harbin, the news agency said.

In contrast, Japanese news agency Kyodo said protesters numbered in the thousands in the cities of Shenzhen and Hangzhou and that some people damaged Japanese cars and Japanese restaurants nearby.
The renewed maritime tension with China has parallels with Beijing's other recent tangles with Southeast Asian countries over rival territorial claims in the South China Sea.

China's expanding naval reach has fed worries that it could brandish its military might to get its way.
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Japan is under USA's nuclear umbrella, interesting to see in what way US will get involved
in this? Better to stay out and arm the Japanese for now. Japanese already have a technological
edge in weaponry over China even with their peace doctrine.

I don't think the US will get into a confrontation with China, since its mere presence is enough to make China smell the coffee!

Of course, there will be shrill howls like jackals on heat from Chinese Govt and their military!
 
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I don't think the US will get into a confrontation with China, since its mere presence is enough to make China smell the coffee!

Of course, there will be shrill howls like jackals on heat from Chinese Govt and their military!
US has clearly said these Islands are Japanese territories in 3 treaties.US-japan treaty, Okinawa treaty and San francisco treaty.US cannot maintain a totally neutral position (and they are not). US has many bases in the Pacific and we do not
need China getting too close for comfort.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-senkaku-islands/story-e6frg6so-1226422910686

US 'obliged to defend' contested Senkaku Islands


The Senkakus were controlled by the US after World War II, but were returned to Japan together with Okinawa. Chinese claims over the islands emerged in the late 1960s, about the time that a UN survey revealed the existence of a big hydrocarbon deposit beneath them.
 
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Show us the passage in the treaties that state Diaoyu are Japanese territories.

Let me give you an hint before you embarass your-self further. Even the Japanese them-selves never claimed that. :lol: And there is a reason for that. Like I told you before, please get some basic knowledge.

And regarding your US defending Japan thing. Here is the passage:
Japan's Kyodo news agency reported yesterday that a "senior" US state department official had told it the islands fell within the treaty, which obliges the US to defend an attack on Japanese territory.

Anything besides Kyodo news? :lol:
Do educate us as to how it isn't Japanese and it is Chinese!
 

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U.S. says Senkaku Islands fall within scope of Japan-U.S. security treaty | Kyodo News


U.S. says Senkaku Islands fall within scope of Japan-U.S. security treaty



The Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands, a group of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea to which China and Taiwan have both made claim, fall within the scope of the 1960 Japan-U.S. security treaty which requires the country to defend Japan in the event of armed attacks, a senior State Department official said Monday.

"The Senkakus would fall within the scope of Article 5 of the 1960 U.S.-Japan Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security because the Senkaku Islands have been under the administrative control of the government of Japan since they were returned as part of the reversion of Okinawa in 1972," the official told Kyodo News.

The treaty's Article 5 states, "Each party recognizes that an armed attack against either party in the territories under the administration of Japan would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common danger in accordance with its constitutional provisions and processes."

This is the first time a senior U.S. official has referred to the security treaty since the government of Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda indicated its intention to buy three of the five islands from a private owner and nationalize them.

Earlier in the day, the official said, "The U.S. does not take a position on the question of the ultimate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands. We expect the claimants to resolve the issue through peaceful means, among themselves."

The Senkaku islets were under Washington's control after World War II but were returned to Japan together with Okinawa, the official said.

Meanwhile, another State Department official said Japanese and U.S. government officials discussed the Senkaku Islands issue when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Japan earlier this month to attend an international aid conference on Afghanistan in Tokyo.

During the discussions, the Japanese officials said Japan is in talks with China over the matter, the State Department official said.

In Tokyo on Tuesday, Japanese Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba told a news conference that the dispute over the Senkaku Islands was not discussed in talks between Clinton and Noda or himself.

The administration of President Barack Obama remained vague over the issue of the Senkaku Islands until October 2010 when Clinton clearly recognized that the islets fall within the scope of the Japan-U.S. security treaty.

In April, Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara unveiled a plan to buy the islets.

On Saturday, Noda said, "We're considering the issue from the viewpoint of maintaining and controlling (the islands) in a peaceful and stable manner. We're having various kinds of contacts," indicating that the government plans to nationalize the islets.

The same day, China reacted to the Japanese plan. In a statement, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said that ''whatever unilateral action the Japanese side takes'' regarding the islands would be "unlawful and invalid."

The Senkakus, which are called Diaoyu in China and Tiaoyutai in Taiwan, are a group of uninhabited islets that belong to the city of Ishigaki, Okinawa Prefecture.

In 2010, the Japan Coast Guard arrested the captain of a Chinese fishing boat over collisions with two Japanese patrol boats near the islands. Bilateral ties subsequently deteriorated.
 

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Now, if this is correct, U.S. says Senkaku Islands fall within scope of Japan-U.S. security treaty, then China will develop dast.
 
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Politicising the Senkaku Islands a danger to regional stability | East Asia Forum

Politicising the Senkaku Islands a danger to regional stability



Tensions between Japan and China surrounding the Senkaku Islands have flared again.



In April, Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara declared his intention to use Tokyo Metropolitan Government funds to purchase three islands of the five-island chain from their private landowner to protect them from China. Predictably, his statements invoked protests from China and Taiwan, which also claim sovereignty over the islands. Subsequently, donors in Japan contributed over ¥1.3 billion (US$16 million) to a fund for Tokyo to purchase the islands, essentially forcing the central government's hand and pushing it to take control. In July, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda declared that the Japanese central government itself would purchase and nationalise the Senkaku Islands in order to maintain them in a stable and peaceful manner. Unsurprisingly, Noda's statement also drew criticism from China and Taiwan.

Beyond the sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands themselves, this politicisation of the issue has potentially broad ramifications for the US−Japan alliance, Japan−China relations, and China's overall engagement with the region. The defence of the Senkaku Islands is a critical issue for the US−Japan alliance. Irrespective of historical and legal intricacies, the Senkaku Islands are clearly covered under the US−Japan Security Treaty. After World War II, the US took control of Okinawa, including the Senkaku Islands. The Senkakus were mapped out and included as one of the US-administered territories that were returned to Japan as part of the reversion of Okinawa in 1972.

While US statements reconfirming that the Senkaku Islands are covered by the US−Japan Security Treaty — most recently by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2010 — have been warmly welcomed by Tokyo, it will be important that the US maintain a clear stance on the issue going forward.

The US−Japan Security Treaty commits the US to defending Japan. In return, Japan provides military bases in its territory for the US, not just for the defence of Japan but also for the maintenance of international peace in the Far East. This arrangement has been of mutual benefit, keeping Japan secure while also being indispensable to the US forward-deployment strategy. Any failure or perceived weakness in the US commitment to defend Japan, including the Senkaku Islands, would undermine the US−Japan Security Treaty and the foundation of the alliance.

Since 2010, there has been a change in China's approach to the Senkaku Islands. In September of that year, China responded harshly to Japan's arrest of a Chinese fishing boat captain who rammed two Japan Coast Guard ships near the Senkaku Islands. The Chinese government upped the ante with a unilateral response that included arresting four Japanese employees of Fujita Corporation (who were based in China) for photographing military facilities, cancelling large-scale tourist trips between China and Japan, and suspending rare-earth exports to Japan. Some Chinese officials have said that protecting China's territory is a core interest, implying a willingness to use military force in the dispute over the Senkaku Islands. This represents a serious departure from the approach espoused by Deng Xiaoping — which had been China's de facto policy — of shelving the issue for future generations. A broader shift in Chinese behaviour is also evident in its increasingly assertive posture toward freedom of navigation issues and territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

The way in which the US and Japan respond to China's increasingly assertive posture over the Senkakus can be seen as a litmus test for the US pivot to Asia and will have spillover effects as the region grapples with the rise of China. For this reason, US−Japan consultations should also include the broader subject of how to best work together to enhance military confidence with China.

In Japan, public opinion polls indicate that nearly 70 per cent of the population is in favour of Ishihara's proposal for the Tokyo government to buy the Senkakus. This support may have been based on a simplistic understanding of the issue as respondents even cited farfetched concerns that the private owner could have sold the islands to China.

Japan already has effective control of the Senkaku Islands, which have been on lease to the central government for the past 10 years. The plan to nationalise the islands — instead of allowing them to be purchased by the Tokyo government — is consistent with Japan's established policy of maintaining control of the Senkakus in a low-key manner. At the same time the Japanese government has further to go so as to minimise nationalistic confrontation with China by providing a full explanation of its intentions on Senkaku policy.
 

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Unidentified members from Japanese nationalist group and local assembly members are seen after landing on Senkaku isles in Japan, Diaoyu islands in China, in this photo by Kyodo August 19, 2012. Several Japanese nationalists landed on Sunday on a rocky island in the East China Sea at the heart of a territorial row with Beijing, sparking protests in several Chinese cities and a diplomatic rebuke from Beijing. Tokyo and Beijing have been feuding for decades over the island chain, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, near potentially huge maritime gas fields.
 

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Pro-China activists rally during an anti-Japan protest in Hong Kong on August 19, 2012. Members of the pro-Beijing Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions waved Chinese flags and chanted slogans such as 'Down with Japanese militarism' and 'Get out of our Diaoyu Islands', the Chinese name for what Japan calls Senkaku.
 

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A Chinese activist (2nd L), detained after landing on a disputed island, raises his hands as they board a Japan Coast Guard patrol ship for their deportation to Hong Kong, at a port in Ishigaki island, Okinawa prefecture, in this photo taken by Kyodo August 17, 2012. Japan on Friday sent home the first group of Chinese activists detained after landing on an island claimed by both Tokyo and Beijing, a move China welcomed but at the same time warned its neighbour against further "escalation" in tension. Japan and China, Asia's two largest economies, have been at odds since the activists were detained on Wednesday after using a boat to land on the rocky, uninhabited isles known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China. Seven activists took off for Hong Kong from Okinawa, the Immigration Bureau said, and the rest of the 14-strong group were expected to head home by boat later on Friday. Mandatory Credit.
 
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US, Japan stage joint military drill - Globaltimes.cn


US, Japan stage joint military drill



US marines and Japanese military forces on Sunday held a joint exercise in Ooitaken, in the country's southwest, as part of a training activity that will last until August 30, with live ammunition drills kicking off this weekend, according to the Kyodo News.

Around 600 personnel from the Japan Self-Defense Forces (SDF) and US Marines stationed in Okinawa are to be included in the joint drill, which will also involve transportation logistics, medical aid and emergency responses.

An officer with the SDF said at the opening ceremony for the exercise that these kinds of joint exercises were the reason why Japanese and US forces were able to integrate effectively during their humanitarian aid response to the Japanese earthquakes last year. A US Marines spokesperson said that the drills are meant to strengthen the partnership between Japan and the US and at the same time enhance technical cooperation.

Local groups staged a rally to protest the joint drill on Sunday.
 

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Protesters tear anti-Japan placards during a rally outside the Japanese Consulate General in Hong Kong Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2012. Hong Kong activists trying to reach disputed islands claimed by Japan, China and Taiwan said they're being tailed by Japanese government ships. The islands, called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese, have long been a source of tension in the region. The placards read: "Overturn Japanese militarism."

A Chinese protester tries to throw a traffic cone towards the Japanese Embassy during a protest against the arrests of 14 activists, in Beijing Thursday, Aug. 16, 2012.

Members of the Hong Kong Democratic Party display eggs wrapped in paper printed with the Japanese national flag as they join protesters outside the Japanese consulate in Hong Kong on August 16, 2012.

Protesters asking for the release of activists burn paper printed with the military flag of Japan outside the Japanese consulate in Hong Kong on August 16, 2012. Japan arrested 14 people after pro-China activists from Hong Kong and Macau landed on the archipelago -- known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan -- that has been at the centre of a festering territorial row.
 

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Unidentified members from Japanese nationalist group and local assembly members are seen after landing on Senkaku isles in Japan, Diaoyu islands in China, in this photo by Kyodo August 19, 2012. Several Japanese nationalists landed on Sunday on a rocky island in the East China Sea at the heart of a territorial row with Beijing, sparking protests in several Chinese cities and a diplomatic rebuke from Beijing. Tokyo and Beijing have been feuding for decades over the island chain, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China, near potentially huge maritime gas fields.
 

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They've been un-inhabited for most of their history and Japan has administered the Islands in the past few centuries.
Then there are claims of PRC using the islands as front defense against pirates and that historical PRC maps show the Island as part of China.
Interestingly the Chinese claims came up in 1971, soon after a UN report estimated that there may be a large oil and gas reserve under the seabed near the islands.

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When I see the flag of both the ROC and the PRC on DiaoYu Island, my tears is filled in my eyes. Blood is thicker than water, no matter where we lived, we are still brothers. We will fight with the robbers together. Like what we have done in 1945.
 

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They've been un-inhabited for most of their history and Japan has administered the Islands in the past few centuries.
Then there are claims of PRC using the islands as front defense against pirates and that historical PRC maps show the Island as part of China.
Interestingly the Chinese claims came up in 1971, soon after a UN report estimated that there may be a large oil and gas reserve under the seabed near the islands.

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1 century is not few century. that island orginally belong to taiwan/ROC, actually it was adminstered since ming dynasty, Late Qing dynasty lost to japan during 1st sino-japan war.

taiwan, russia, S.korea, PRC currently has dispute with japan, almost all the dispute island are conquered by japan during imperial japan era.
 

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US has clearly said these Islands are Japanese territories in 3 treaties.US-japan treaty, Okinawa treaty and San francisco treaty.US cannot maintain a totally neutral position (and they are not). US has many bases in the Pacific and we do not
need China getting too close for comfort.

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US 'obliged to defend' contested Senkaku Islands


The Senkakus were controlled by the US after World War II, but were returned to Japan together with Okinawa. Chinese claims over the islands emerged in the late 1960s, about the time that a UN survey revealed the existence of a big hydrocarbon deposit beneath them.
is that apply same to S.korea, taiwan, russia disputed. China claim it Since establishment of ROC, PRC just inherit the claim
 

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1 century is not few century. that island orginally belong to taiwan/ROC, actually it was adminstered since ming dynasty, Late Qing dynasty lost to japan during 1st sino-japan war.
Same type of case as in Tibet!

Dalai Lama lost out in 1950 as an Independent nation with its own currency and ambassadors and policies when the Chinese overran the territory!
 
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is that apply same to S.korea, taiwan, russia disputed. China claim it Since establishment of ROC, PRC just inherit the claim
These treaties do not mention China anywhere? USA won ww2 and got these
islands and then transferred them to Japan in 2 or more treaties. This is the
same as India claiming we own Pakistan or Burma or nepal or sri lanka. Chinese
claim is after the fact.
 

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