China and Japan dispute over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands

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China based on world reaction will be certain to extend to their "other claimed areas"for sure. India better watch out, within some time this will be extended to arunachal pradesh
 

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Man this @holes will not stop threatening world peace with constant warmongering
 

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China based on world reaction will be certain to extend to their "other claimed areas"for sure. India better watch out, within some time this will be extended to arunachal pradesh
but we do have troops manning the borders, right ? unlike the senkaku islands........so forcefully claiming territory might be like starting a war
 

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"The patrol is in line with international common practices, and the normal flight of international flights will not be affected," Shen said.]
Lol......................................:rofl:

Funny part is that Chinese never followed this practice before, in this part.
 

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China is struggling with the new role of the military in its foreign relations, while Japan is seeing a slow re-emergence of the military as a tool of its foreign relations. China's two-decade-plus surge in economic growth is reaching its logical limit, yet given the sheer size of China's population and its lack of progress switching to a more consumption-based economy, Beijing still has a long way to go before it achieves any sort of equitable distribution of resources and benefits. This leaves China's leaders facing rising social tensions with fewer new resources at their disposal. Japan, after two decades of society effectively agreeing to preserve social stability at the cost of economic restructuring and upheaval, is now reaching the limits of its patience with a bureaucratic system that is best known for its inertia.
 

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but we do have troops manning the borders, right ? unlike the senkaku islands........so forcefully claiming territory might be like starting a war
I suppose we had troops in ladakh-aksai chin boundary as well, still their troops came over into our areas. Finally both pulled back but we pulled back from our own areas(?).

Also what exactly was the new pact says?? Though i don't have much details on this new agreement but i notice various people like cheallany rejected this agreement who said that the wordings were all great but it favoured chinese more than us or something similar.

See basically china will nibble small areas first, not directly take over entire area. It also depends what the reaction is from the other side. We all know that there entrenced in pok now. And evicting them from is a difficult task now.:sad::tsk:

Thgough i am not saying that they will take over indian territory in next 5 yrs or so, But there's every possibility that this may happen. Even hitler initially said he's interested only in claiming german areas for germany. We all know where it went later on.
 

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We don't have troops on the LAC.

They are behind.

ITBP has posts 'near' the LAC.

ITBP is under the Home Ministry and the Army is to defend the border.

This impedes a coordinated response.

Ministerial turf wars is more important that the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Nation.
 

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US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone: The US has flown two B-52 bombers over disputed islands in the East China Sea in defiance of new Chinese air defence rules, officials say.

China set up its "air defence identification zone" on Saturday insisting that aircraft obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures".

A Pentagon spokesman said the planes had followed "normal procedures".
@amoy @t_co
It seems americans are challenging you.
EDIT: Or rather you couldn't challenge them.


@sayareakd @jmj_overlord @Ray @ladder
 
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US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone
US Colonel Steve Warren at the Pentagon said Washington had "conducted operations in the area of the Senkakus".

"We have continued to follow our normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead and not registering our frequencies," he said.

There had been no response from China, he added.
 

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Sounds like the Chinese Air Force missed this pair. Better luck next time.
told you those Chinese radars and airdefence systems are useless you guys should continue with S300 on mainland.
 

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@amoy @t_co
It seems americans are challenging you.
EDIT: Or rather you couldn't challenge them.


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Actually since the Chinese is serious about this ADIZ, and if the US is challenging them, then they should take up the challenge.

If it does not, then China will lose face.

And the others would follow suit and do what they US is doing.
 
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Sounds like the Chinese Air Force missed this pair. Better luck next time.
Too huge an object to be missed by even a dysfunctional radar.

If missed, then he Chinese surveillance system appears to be a failure.

Given the advance the Chinese have done in military technology, I don;t think that the Chinese radars are duff.











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China is struggling with the new role of the military in its foreign relations, while Japan is seeing a slow re-emergence of the military as a tool of its foreign relations. China's two-decade-plus surge in economic growth is reaching its logical limit, yet given the sheer size of China's population and its lack of progress switching to a more consumption-based economy, Beijing still has a long way to go before it achieves any sort of equitable distribution of resources and benefits. This leaves China's leaders facing rising social tensions with fewer new resources at their disposal. Japan, after two decades of society effectively agreeing to preserve social stability at the cost of economic restructuring and upheaval, is now reaching the limits of its patience with a bureaucratic system that is best known for its inertia.

The problem here is that the CCP might feel seriously challenged at home and will try to do something really stupid abroad to divert domestic attention away from it...
 

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The problem here is that the CCP might feel seriously challenged at home and will try to do something really stupid abroad to divert domestic attention away from it...
But the fact is there is no win-win situation. International politics among great powers is basically a zero sum game. When one side wins, the other side loses.
 

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But the fact is there is no win-win situation. International politics among great powers is basically a zero sum game. When one side wins, the other side loses.

Actually it's a battle for the status quo, the emerging power seeks to change it while the old power wants it maintained. Generally this whole superpower dance is peaceful since both sides understand the risks of direct confrontation. Instead, they will play chess on a global scale and try to checkmate the other one. (The US just ate China's chess piece here by sending 2 B-52s).

But it's usually different in confrontations between a big power and a relatively smaller one. In the tussle between China and Japan the former thinks that it is bigger than the latter and will not hesitate to push it hard up against the wall to get what it wants. This is where the danger will come. CHina might push the ball too far on Japan's Court that the latter will felt compelled to push back hard with violent force. If the US will not react then CHina will no doubt try to do this to Japan. But thanks God America is already awake in the Pacific. 2 B-52s are just the kind of nerve calming agents that Japan needs.

So Japan is already a settled matter as far as the US is concerned. What about the Philippines and Vietnam? The US has not yet unequivocally stamped its feet and thus the matter is still open for China. In these countries the latter can still play stupidly, and if the US does not send out the correct messages then Asia might still be sorry.
 
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U.S. moves embolden China
Washington has not explicitly called on China to roll back the ADIZ.Washington is signaling that if Beijing backed away from this unusual demand and set up a military hotline with Tokyo to forestall an accidental military flare-up, it may be willing to live with the Chinese ADIZ — a position certain to displease Japan.

Let's be clear: At stake in the East China Sea are not just some flyspeck islands but regional power balance, a rules-based order, freedom of navigation of the skies and seas, and access to maritime resources, including seabed minerals. If China gets its way, the path to a Sino-centric Asia would open.

Sending two unarmed B-52 bombers on "routine" runs through the Chinese ADIZ was tokenism that cannot obscure the need for crafting a credible response. Obama's Asia policy seeks to reap the benefits of building closer engagement with Asian states — including China, now central to U.S. economic and strategic interests — while charting a course of neutrality on sovereignty disputes. This delicate balancing act, however, implies strategic and moral equivalence, even though the coercion and aggression is largely by China against states that are America's allies or strategic partners.

A Chinese government spokesman said Nov. 27, according to Xinhua, that "China will set up other ADIZs in due time after completing relevant preparations."
That is why it is important for the U.S. to draw the line now over China's territorial creep. Otherwise, China — in the absence of any geopolitical blowback — will continue to subvert the status quo in the East and South China Seas, along its border with India, and even on the cross-border flows of Asia's major rivers, which originate in the Chinese-annexed Tibetan plateau. Without a concerted U.S.-led effort to push back against China's aggression in the East China Sea, it won't be long before another Chinese encroachment occurs.
 

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