Catalan referendum: Catalonia has 'won right to statehood'

[Tactical Frog]

If Catalan independence fuels separatists within our borders and threatens our territorial sovereignty we will act. Catalonia is not Quebec or Scotland that has the right to secede under a national constitution. It is integral territory of nation states established 400 years ago, and for dynastic Spain much longer than that. They fought a civil war and French intervention crushed it, we will crush it again if they even think about raising arms against us.

Uh ?? What French intervention are you talking about ??
Spanish constitution has too much Franco’s legacy embedded . According it, the army guarantees the integrity of the kingdom . Sigh. The same army that tried to overthrow the young Spanish democracy. It is high time the constitution evolves, if it is the only thing stopping a referendum about independence.

 

[Vijyes]

Uh ?? What French intervention are you talking about ??
Spanish constitution has too much Franco’s legacy embedded . According it, the army guarantees the integrity of the kingdom . Sigh. The same army that tried to overthrow the young Spanish democracy. It is high time the constitution evolves, if it is the only thing stopping a referendum about independence.

Constitution is not made by god. There is no reason why people shouldn't take armed route to rebel. Live rightly or don't live at all

 

[Armand2REP]

Uh ?? What French intervention are you talking about ??
Spanish constitution has too much Franco’s legacy embedded . According it, the army guarantees the integrity of the kingdom . Sigh. The same army that tried to overthrow the young Spanish democracy. It is high time the constitution evolves, if it is the only thing stopping a referendum about independence.

When Louis XI sent 4200 knights to put down the Catalan revolt and gained control over Roussillon and Cardagne from the King of Aragon.

Spain has a constitution that holds it together, we really don't need another Yugoslavia in the heart of Western Europe. If Spain wants a new constitution, that is a question that must be posed to the entirety of Spain.

 

[salute]

That is because there must be an unifying force much stronger than the centrifugal forces

yeah there is and its called muslims and pakis .

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

That is because there must be an unifying force much stronger than the centrifugal forces ! We don’t feel that force in Europe . In Spain ? Can’t speak for them.

Spaniards are one of the most nationalist people i have interacted with from Europe.However,the people on the east are different and they don't recognize themselves as Spaniards.I think this was a volcano waiting to explode but nothing was done.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Vulcano ready to explode then

Spain Readies Forces Able to Seize Catalan Leader Today
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ady-forces-able-to-seize-catalan-leader-today
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ady-forces-able-to-seize-catalan-leader-today

 

[Willy2]

Vulcano ready to explode then

Spain Readies Forces Able to Seize Catalan Leader Today
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ady-forces-able-to-seize-catalan-leader-today
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ady-forces-able-to-seize-catalan-leader-today

I think separatist commi-funded media ignore silent majority here ,around 40% turn out in election still shows that majority of people respect Madrid govt and these separatist can only do mumbo-jumbo for fewdays ....

Spain need to think about long tern future now and should initiate constitutional reforms. No other state allow catalonia right to succeed from spain as they need wealth generated in that region . situation might change and one western/southern state might claim independence one day when tide turn on their favor...

Allowing any provision of referendum is nothing but leaving urself armorless in war , foreign enemy along with commis will take advantage of this

 

[Armand2REP]

Macron just said if they declare Independence they will be kicked out of the EU and face sanctions. They can enjoy their new freedom in poverty.

 

[Tactical Frog]

@Armand2REP, I digged up your story about France crushing a Catalan revolt and I found nothing. Instead, France helped Catalans against Spanish kingdom during the Catalan Uprising of 1640. The Catalonians are by far the most friendly with France south of the border. We could show them more sympathy than President Macron .

Shall I call you Armand2Tercio ? You sound like you ve been with the Spanish Legion too.

 

[Tactical Frog]

I think separatist commi-funded media ignore silent majority here ,around 40% turn out in election still shows that majority of people respect Madrid govt and these separatist can only do mumbo-jumbo for fewdays ....

I think there is a misunderstanding there . The Catalans independentists are mostly nationalists. There is also a small leftist group (anarchist heirs I guess) with them but most of the left is actually pro-Spain and against independence.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

I think separatist commi-funded media ignore silent majority here ,around 40% turn out in election still shows that majority of people respect Madrid govt and these separatist can only do mumbo-jumbo for fewdays ....

Spain need to think about long tern future now and should initiate constitutional reforms. No other state allow catalonia right to succeed from spain as they need wealth generated in that region . situation might change and one western/southern state might claim independence one day when tide turn on their favor...

Allowing any provision of referendum is nothing but leaving urself armorless in war , foreign enemy along with commis will take advantage of this

What does it matter if Spain remains unified if it won't belong to European Spanish in the future due to EU decisions.

A nation is a people,not an idea,culture or geographical entity.

 

[Willy2]

What does it matter if Spain remains unified if it won't belong to European Spanish in the future due to EU decisions.

A nation is a people,not an idea,culture or geographical entity.

It's matter, they are a multicultural country ...like us

If a nation is only about people , then 3/4 ppl in dinner table would also be "nation"

 

[Willy2]

I think there is a misunderstanding there . The Catalans independentists are mostly nationalists. There is also a small leftist group (anarchist heirs I guess) with them but most of the left is actually pro-Spain and against independence.

I saw USSR's flag largely in Catalan march , already told u around 40% turnout ,40+ trade union call for strike on their support for free Catalan . heavy media propaganda against "brutality" of Spanish govt , all point out against commi conspiracy like all other separatist movement..

And what is Catalan nationalism ? Spain is a unique country in Europe ,so other standard don't maintain here . . They live like together 600 yeras , I wish they will survive these storme to and form a stable Iberian entity

And @Armand2REP probably pointing this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Civil_War

 

[Rahul Prakash]

I will not spare a single paisa or a morsel for THE OTHER.LET THE EU BURN for they dared to practise pmulticulturalism.Yugoslavia is their future,they will not be allowed to exist peacefully.break up or lose everything.

 

[salute]

It good Our constitution don't have provisions for referendum

and neither is spanish constitution facilitating referendum ,

but when people are already decided on something no one is asking about provisions of constitution ,

because constitutions are not meant to dictate people .

 

[salute]

That is exactly what he wants to act like. He was claiming he was a communist in another thread. Not of the "mummy daddy burger variety" in his own words but a genocidal maniac.

and he is also claiming to know about future of the catalonia but what do he really knows about spain or catalonia or even rest of the european union when he dont even understand diversity of sub continent and choose to refuses it for his own reasons .

 

[Suryavanshi]

Progressive EU society right here buddies.
All the fake call of justice and liberty burst in the faces of liberal scum when faced with harsh reality.

 

[indus]

Europe is bracing for more fragmentation.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/regions-prepare-rome-challenge-autonomy-victory-vote-102631783.html

Two of Italy's wealthiest regions were drawing up plans Monday to claw back power and money from Rome after a victory for autonomy campaigners that could deepen divisions in Europe.

Over 95 percent of voters who flocked to the polls in the northern regions of Veneto and Lombardy, home to Venice and Milan respectively, supported a mandate to negotiate a better deal with the Italian capital.

 

[Willy2]

Europe is bracing for more fragmentation.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/regions-prepare-rome-challenge-autonomy-victory-vote-102631783.html

Hype due to recent cataluniyan events...will die soon

 

[indus]

https://www.rt.com/news/407956-catalan-parliament-votes-independence/
Long-desired step’: Catalan parliament declares independence from Spain
Published time: 27 Oct, 2017 13:27Edited time: 27 Oct, 2017 16:12

Following a secret ballot, MPs in the Catalan parliament declared independence from Spain, with the regional leader Carlos Puigdemont saying the people had completed “a long-desired step.” Lawmakers opposed to independence boycotted the vote.
The assembly’s speaker announced that the motion was passed with 70 votes in favor, 10 against, and two blank ballots, according to Reuters. Earlier, MP’s from the three main national parties – the People's Party, the Socialists and Ciudadanos – staged a walkout in protest at the vote.
The declaration of independence led to a celebration among thousands of cheering supporters in the streets of Barcelona, the region’s capital. Before the secret ballot, the Catalonian regional parliament also voted in favor of starting the “constituent process” to split from Madrid.

“In the days ahead we must keep to our values of pacifism and dignity. It's in our, in your hands to build the republic," Catalan President Carles Puigdemont told a crowd of hundreds of supporters at Catalonia's parliament building following the vote.

He added that "today the parliament fulfilled the long-desired and fought-for step, and culminated the mandate of the ballot boxes," referencing the October 1 independence referendum.

Puigdemont's remarks prompted supporters to erupt into the Catalan anthem 'Els Segadors' (The Reapers) and chants of"Liberty!" Shortly after the Catalan vote, the upper house of Spain's parliament approved direct rule by Madrid.The Spanish government will now hold a special cabinet meeting at 6pm local time on Friday, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said