Can someone tell me why exactly are we supporting Palestine?

[Params7]

You can't have it both ways. On one hand Palestinians exalt 'international rules' when it comes to their rights, on the other hand these same people circumvent international rules by denying Israel's right to exist as has been sanctioned by the same international body whose human rights charter you are urging people to uphold. It's just intellectual subterfuge to say that Israel alone has to unilaterally subscribe to international rules while the Palestinian side supposedly has no obligation to honor the same rules. The Palestinians want to relish all the rights enshrined in charters of international bodies but don't want to shoulder the responsibilities which come with it. This is cherry picking of the worst kind.

The moment they chant "death to Israel" they are voluntarily forfeiting their faith in the international body which created Israel and consequently cannot claim any rights enshrined under the auspices of the same body which they rejected so merrily.

That's fine, no one is excusing Palestine for chanting "Death To Israel". To be fair this is more of a chicken/egg argument. If Palestine is in the wrong for backing Hamas and chanting death to Israel - then Israel is in the wrong for their illegal settlements - land it simply stole from Palestine and oftentimes using too much force in bombings against Palestine. I thought we were past the imperialist expansionism era but Israel didn't get the memo. They are both in a vicious cycle of hate against each other.

At the end of the day though - Israel is a super power in Mid East with backing from the world's most powerful nation. And they are fighting Palestine, a barely functioning country with poor Arabs in rags who pick up rocks and knives to fight IDF, while Palestine loses huge swaths of land every decade. It doesn't help with the right narrative in the global stage from Israel's perspective.

In the end, I agree with other posters who say India needs to stay as far as possible from the mess. However if there's a pure humanitarian crisis occurring anywhere on the planet, even if it is in the heartland of Islam, I would want India to shine at least some light there. And the world will need to take a look at Gaza soon.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

That's fine, no one is excusing Palestine for chanting "Death To Israel". To be fair this is more of a

To be fair, muslims have a problem living peacefully with people regardless of which part of the planet they are. That's the core issue here. They aren't happy in non-muslim nations, they aren't happy in muslim nations either. The flashpoints are merely excuses being used to cultivate a narrative of persecution complex and use it to wage jihad. This is not a one off story, this is the case everywhere. They cite Babri incident as an excuse for muslims in India turning towards jihad, so Islamic terrorism wasn't a phenomenon before Babri? are we that stupid to believe it?

The fact of the matter is that muslims, by virtue of the theological sanction to be hostile towards differing viewpoints, lack the logistical capability to peacefully coexist with other communities and the definition of 'other' keeps shrinking day by day. They consider even different sects within their own religion to be 'others'. In the backdrop of such bigotry, it is naive for non-muslims to expect civility from them.

if there's a pure humanitarian crisis occurring anywhere on the planet, even if it is in the heartland of Islam, I would want India to shine at least some light there.

Thousands of Kashmir Pandits were killed, lakhs were exiled, they are still living as refugees in their own country, afraid to go back and claim their own homeland and people are worried about shining light on some distant continent, still none of them used this as an excuse to become a terrorist. They were taken out of their homes, their women were raped, their temples were destroyed, and their land was snatched and stolen by muslims who are still in possession of it. The Hindus of Pakistan and Bangladesh have faced a concerted genocide for decades still there are no Hindu terrorist organizations in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Surprisingly, despite being an Islamic majority republic, there are muslim terrorist groups of various assortments, citing various excuses. That's the difference between Islam and others. If it is in someone's nature to pick a fight with others and terrorize them, then any excuse is good enough.

India has to solve the problems of its own people first, instead of sending aid to Gaza. It is not for Indian taxpayers to fund welfare activities on another continent. If you bring up the morality angle then Indians have as much moral responsibility to help Gaza as Arabs have in helping Kashmir Pandits. I'd be happy to see if those who feel entitled to Indian help in favor of Gaza have the courtesy to reciprocate and accord the same moral and material support to Kashmir Pandits. If not, then it just exposes your politically subversive double speak in the name of humanitarian concern. In short, Taquiya.

No one is going to buy your snake oil here. Go to JNU, sell your snake oil there, make some money and send it to Gaza.

 

[Params7]

To be fair, muslims have a problem living peacefully with people regardless of which part of the planet they are.

This is wrong and a very bigoted statement. I would point to majority of India's muslims peacefully co-inhabiting with other Indians and religions. Well maybe apart from the ones living in Kashmir and other non-metropolitan areas.

Speaking anecdotally, growing up in Delhi, as a Sikh, I could walk anywhere in Old Delhi or Jama Masjid, have a nice beef burger and comes out without facing any animosity from fellow Muslims.

They aren't happy in non-muslim nations, they aren't happy in muslim nations either.

The religion has a big issue with extremism - mainly coming from its Sunni branch and Wahhabist mosques. You need to read up more and stop holding every Muslim responsible for extremism - is not going to get us anywhere.

The fact of the matter is that muslims, by virtue of the theological sanction to be hostile towards differing viewpoints, lack the logistical capability to peacefully coexist with other communities and the definition of 'other' keeps shrinking day by day.

You seem lost in your very simplistic and generalized assessment of the theology in question. There is no one interpretation and majority of Muslims don't subscribe to hostile viewpoints that ISIS-like fundamentalists peddle. Go abroad and talk to Muslims.

Though I DO think regular Muslims need to do more to fight extremism, and stop shouting for Sharia Law in UK and all that. Western nations are not doing enough to give voice to their right-wing parties and tell those Muslims they need to integrate or go back to whatever 'stan they came from. You're talking to a Donald J.Trump supporter who is living in the United States, by the way. AND like Trump, I'm neutral on Israel-Palestine issue and want India to be the same.

Thousands of Kashmir Pandits were killed, lakhs were exiled, they are still living as refugees in their own country, afraid to go back and claim their own homeland and people are worried about shining light on some distant continent, still none of them used this as an excuse to become a terrorist.

India absolutely needs to correct the atrocities committed against Kashmiri Pandits before it looks anywhere for humanitarianism abroad. Agreed.

Charity begins at home.

The Hindus of Pakistan and Bangladesh have faced a concerted genocide for decades still there are no Hindu terrorist organizations in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Surprisingly, despite being an Islamic majority republic, there are muslim terrorist groups of various assortments, citing various excuses. That's the difference between Islam and others.

I have stories to tell from 1984, which include Sikh women being dragged from their homes by Hindus. Islam is not the only religion prone to extremism if that is what you're trying to imply.

Islam is a 1500 year old religion and Islamic Terrorism is a very recent phenomenon only arising within the the last handful of decades, and mainly rising from the times of CIA operations in Mid-East in Iran and Afghanistan from the 70s onwards. Go look at Iran before the Shah was deposed. It was like Delhi today with its liberalism. To say Islamic terrorism is a natural outcome of Islamic religion is being wholly ignorant of the policies and politics which lead to such extremism in the first place.

No one is going to buy your snake oil here. Go to JNU, sell your snake oil there, make some money and send it to Gaza.

What is JNU and why are you so angry?