Can someone tell me why exactly are we supporting Palestine?

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We are not supporting Palestine against Israel, we are there, to cut Pakistan's argument over Kashmir through GCC. It is tough, but because India has 20 Million Muslims , GCC cannot overlook that. I remember when last time, voting happened over Palestine issue, when Israel was bombing, India remained ABSENT!
 

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We are not supporting Palestine against Israel, we are there, to cut Pakistan's argument over Kashmir through GCC. It is tough, but because India has 20 Million Muslims , GCC cannot overlook that. I remember when last time, voting happened over Palestine issue, when Israel was bombing, India remained ABSENT!
For the first time and all fiberals In India were aghast and criticized it.
 

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For the first time and all fiberals In India were aghast and criticized it.
The success is, Muslims in India other than Kashmiri Muslims don't give a damn about Kashmir. But in case of Palestine, when Israel bombs, they wear black shirt and mourn the death on Jummah. I have personally seen it. So, our Indian muslims are also big time hypocrites and double standard people, so I don't have really big hope from Indian Muslims that they care about Ummah.
 

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7 million Indians live & remit over 35 billion dollars from Arab countries. UAE is India's largest trading partner and biggest export market for us. Together the GCC is a big export market for us.

Most of our oil comes from that region as well.

All of the above considering current realities about why we support Palestinian cause. Obviously it was no the same reason why we supported them after independence. It was more on principles of freedom for people from occupation.

Israel now understands India's position on Palestine. Israel's ambassador to India said recently that India-Israel relations are not a zero sum game anymore and that our relations are out of the closet.


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Foreign Policy is always a balancing act. All angles need to be looked upon. Besides Israel doesn't cares much because, Israel is here to stay.
 
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Fact of the matter is that in this case foreign policy is used to get domestic votes.
Its tiny compared to the strategic value it gives us. Relationship with Arab countries is growing and at each level. The recent snub by pakistan hasn't gone down well with arabs.
US israel relation doesn't conflict with US arab relation, thats the power of great powers. India is doing just that.
 

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India needs to maintain an ambiguous or ambivalent (pick one) silence between the Israel and Palestine. We understand neither side well, and we understand none of the Middle East groups and tribes well. It is best not to make statements like the one in the OP. India is giving humanitarian aid to Palestine. That should be good enough.
 

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India has interests in middle east so we can't straight away say no to palestine. India also supports the Palestinian cause to weaken Pakistan's position in the middle east.
and this will go well the Israelis. Whether you like it or not, Islamic Nations are not going to support India on Kashmir. We are simply wasting our time.
In my opinion, no other issue unites muslims across nations as much as the cause against Israel, so i guess we are just playing around foolishly with our foreign policy regarding Israel and palestine. Islamic nations will ditch us for sure.
We are not supporting Palestine against Israel, we are there, to cut Pakistan's argument over Kashmir through GCC. It is tough, but because India has 20 Million Muslims , GCC cannot overlook that. I remember when last time, voting happened over Palestine issue, when Israel was bombing, India remained ABSENT!
India needs to maintain an ambiguous or ambivalent (pick one) silence between the Israel and Palestine. We understand neither side well, and we understand none of the Middle East groups and tribes well. It is best not to make statements like the one in the OP. India is giving humanitarian aid to Palestine. That should be good enough.
it isnt so straightforward as it was around 1948 when israel was first formed with all the muslim nations grouped against israel

for whatever reason , whether engendered by the west or whatever, there are serious fault lines in the oic ( which btw, includes malaysia but not singapore )

look at Saudi arabia, the chief and temporal custodian of the RoP, they are in a sense siding with israel at the national level whilst there is a whole spectrum of policy positions all along the ladder from the top to the bottom of their society

also within their government departments , there are tailor fit policies to suit each department accordingly in the defense and foreign affairs sections of their government

dont take my word for it , listen to the speech by netayahu in the video
plus other sources of course

especially at the 26 min point where he explicitly talks about israel's alliances with their arab defence partners and others in the middle east !

so if they have a non-simplistic group of policies, well does india ...... ties with both israel and the muslim world can be conducted and developed concurrently .

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India does not say anything about the mexicans cartels which have lead to the nation into half war situation . I think it was our previous regime with pro islamic ideology and libtard logic lead us to this situation !
 

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Its tiny compared to the strategic value it gives us. Relationship with Arab countries is growing and at each level. The recent snub by pakistan hasn't gone down well with arabs.
US israel relation doesn't conflict with US arab relation, thats the power of great powers. India is doing just that.
Tell me what is their stand on Kashmir. Is it neutral or is it pro pak. Then why should we give them our support for Palestine?
 

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Tell me what is their stand on Kashmir. Is it neutral or is it pro pak. Then why should we give them our support for Palestine?
Lip service isn't support. They invest billions in our economy for our lip service. Our largest trading partner is a arab country. Money matters, that's what makes us strong. As time has passed by our relations have improved and will remain in that trajectory since trade is increasing with our economy and so is our influence.

Even arab countries don't care about palestinians, they are more shit scared about Iran for whom they are even willing to support Israel. International geopolitics isn't a zero sum game, maneuvering is important to reach our larger objective.
 

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Lip service isn't support. They invest billions in our economy for our lip service. Our largest trading partner is a arab country. Money matters, that's what makes us strong. As time has passed by our relations have improved and will remain in that trajectory since trade is increasing with our economy and so is our influence.

Even arab countries don't care about palestinians, they are more shit scared about Iran for whom they are even willing to support Israel. International geopolitics isn't a zero sum game, maneuvering is important to reach our larger objective.
Then, lip service is what we should give too. We should give palestine lip service and work with Israel and start voting against palestine and for Israel.
 

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Then, lip service is what we should give too. We should give palestine lip service and work with Israel and start voting against palestine and for Israel.
We give lip service only & a bit of aid. We are not in UNSC to vote for or against them. Recently we abstained in a vote against Israel which itself is a major change


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We give lip service only & a bit of aid. We are not in UNSC to vote for or against them. Recently we abstained in a vote against Israel which itself is a major change


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But it happened so late. Palestine does not support us and so we dont support them is a default position. To have this become something of an achievement itself is something which shows how poor Indian policy making/diplomacy is!

We never expect reciprocity from the people to whom we support- be it Nepal, SL, Bhutan or Palestine. This is something which needs change. Thankfully this govt is changing that.
 

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And India, Isreael and thekedar-e-ummah all know it :p :p :p

India has interests in middle east so we can't straight away say no to palestine. India also supports the Palestinian cause to weaken Pakistan's position in the middle east.
 

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Once a Congressi, always a Congressi it seems. :tsk:

Anyway, grave mistake by MEA to have let this happen. The poor Indian diplomats responsible for Isreal relations must be having a real tough time.

The OIC does not support us, we should reciprocate in kind. Trade will continue as money speaks louder than most things.
 

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Once a Congressi, always a Congressi it seems. :tsk:

Anyway, grave mistake by MEA to have let this happen. The poor Indian diplomats responsible for Isreal relations must be having a real tough time.

The OIC does not support us, we should reciprocate in kind. Trade will continue as money speaks louder than most things.
When the President is on a state visit to a foreign country, his political loyalty doesn't matter. He represents India as a whole and his statements reflect his government's official position.

Israel makes good money through it's weapons deals with India, it is not like we get those stuff for free. In fact several Israeli stuff are overpriced.

Geopolitics is a complex game and there exist grey areas in Israel's conduct which aren't in sync with our national interests. Israel has established close defence ties with China which includes ToT, and it is indirectly supporting the Sunni Wahabbi assault against Shias.

India cannot afford to put all eggs in one basket, we need to maintain proper checks and balances. India maintains close ties with several gulf nations like UAE and Oman. India's relation with Iran is important for her venture into Afghanistan.

As far as OIC is concerned, it has never gone beyond lip service to the Kashmir cause. We can live with that.
 

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Geopolitics is a complex game and there exist grey areas in Israel's conduct which aren't in sync with our national interests. Israel has established close defence ties with China which includes ToT, and it is indirectly supporting the Sunni Wahabbi assault against Shias.
Excellent point. Israel's foreign policy is closely aligned with Saudi foreign policy. Saudi Arabia has been funding Wahhabis, and Israel has been attacking those fighting against the Wahhabis. As far as India is concerned, Shias are no threat, but the Wahhabis are.

There is little to say about Israeli weapons. A bulk of the technology that goes into Israeli weapons are American. Some have suggested that Israel is a front to sell American weapons to countries, such as India and PRC, that bypasses restrictions on direct US arms sales.

Regarding OIC, they have always supported Pakistani position on Kashmir. Iran and Iraq under Saddam Hussein supported India over Pakistan.
 

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