Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Daredevil, Apr 22, 2009.
Terrorists band together in their collective hate.
No sailor...Shias fight with the Indian army but they are against the Sunnis...mainly taliban...
I read a very pertinent comment on this on WAB by an Indian member.
It was dividing the Pakistanis into two categories: "Pakjabis" and "The great unwashed".
The former hate India for the most part and love the US $. The latter hate everyone.
The Taliban is band of the latter group. They hate everyone equally!
US also responsible for current situation in Pak: Hillary
US also responsible for current situation in Pak: Hillary
24 Apr 2009, 1247 hrs IST, PTI
WASHINGTON, Apr 24 (PTI) Even as she came out strongly against the Pakistani establishment for lagging willingness to take head on the terrorists, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Friday said that the US was also partly responsible for the present mess as it virtually abandoned Pakistan after the Soviets left Afghanistan.
"There is a very strong argument, which is: It wasn't a bad investment to end the Soviet Union, but let's be careful what we sow, because we will harvest. So we then left Pakistan. We said, okay, fine, you deal with the Stingers that we've left all over your country. You deal with the mines that are along the border. And by the way, we don't want to have anything to do with you," Clinton said testifying before a Congressional committee.
After the downfall of the Soviet Union, Clinton said the US stopped dealing with the Pakistani military and with the ISI.
"We can point fingers at the Pakistanis, which is -- you know, I did some yesterday, frankly. And it's merited, because we're wondering why they don't just get out there and deal with these people. But the problems we face now, to some extent, we have to take responsibility for having contributed to," she said.
Clinton said the US has a history of moving in and out of Pakistan. "I mean, let's remember here, the people we are fighting today we funded 20 years ago. We did it because we were locked in this struggle with the Soviet Union. They invaded Afghanistan, and we did not want to see them control Central Asia, and we went to work," she said.
"It was President (Ronald) Reagan, in partnership with the Congress, led by Democrats, who said, you know what? Sounds like a pretty good idea. Let's deal with the ISI and the Pakistani military, and let's go recruit these mujahidin. And great, let's get some to come from Saudi Arabia and other places, importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam, so that we can go beat the Soviet Union. And guess what? They retreated. They lost billions of dollars, and it led to the collapse of the Soviet Union," Clinton said.
And what is happening in Pakistan today is a result of that policy, she acknowledged, so the US should also take a part of the responsibility.
US also responsible for current situation in Pak: Hillary - US - World - The Times of India
The best you can hope for with Iran is that they just stay home with grins on their faces an watch the show. They aren't in direct danger from a Taliban terrorist bomb, but all the ones who are, they hate.
It's a win, win, win, win situation for them.
iran is no sympathizer of the taliban, just as has been pointed out by satish there is a big divide between shia and sunni and i will take you to a date not that long back but to the start of this century when iran was all ready to attack taliban in afghanistan. had it not been the hectic back door diplomacy from pakistan's end iran would have attacked taliban which till then had voices of support in the clinton administration which of course all changed post 9/11 and rest is history. iran had completely mobilised their army on their eastern borders to attack the taliban, and i still recall the tensions then kept flaring up for a few weeks. in fact iran is so much disoriented with the taliban that they recently offered pakistan to help them with their troops if pakistan was finding it hard to deal with the taliban but since at the moment iran does not completely fit into the scheme of things set by the US so in the end they were snubbed by the pakistanis at US's behest.
iran is absolutely crucial for this WoT for various reasons. one they completely fit into india's scheme of things as we have deep all round foot prints in that country so we always have the diplomatic contacts which when required can be exploited and they can be made a party to enhancing our plans in that part of the world. second, they have no love for the taliban and are deeply against them. thirdly, in case the west wants to isolate the PA which has only double crossed them time and again then there is a need for the them to find a different supply route and there is no one better suited to deliver on that than iran. fourthly, if tomorrow the west plans an exit policy then afganistan can not be left as a breeding ground to taliban and PA who could again do a 9/11, the west will require neighboring countries through which they can further their cause and there is no one better suited to further that cause for the west than iran.
iran will anyway play its role once the US is out of astan, only thing will be that then they will play that role along side with russia and india who all have common interests in the region for we all have a common concern by the name of taliban. west has to wake up on iran's role in astan and smell the coffee, do they want a neighboring country of astan furthering their agenda or of russia's, choice is their but in case they snub iran then they have no other option than support pakistan, PA and forget about their nukes which at the moment is a bigger risk than the possible nukes of iran. if i am getting it right then there is a change in attitude towards iran from all corners and this can be well gouged from the recent statement of newly instated israeli defence minister who in an interview said that for them the biggest threat is pakistan and astan and not iran, this with the back drop of peace initiative by obama where he directly addressed the people of iran and talked of resolving their differences by way of diplomacy and certain supplies of canada and other european nations going to astan via iran, in coming days we will find more of such statements and i think in another few months iran will play a bigger role in the WoT as pakistan gets sidelined.
Militants stop troops from entering Swat: Taliban spokesman
chickens coming to roost:
Seems like another charade
Taliban fire rockets at army camp in Miranshah
are these guys elites?
FC sent to Buner after police refusal
Tension grips Buner as military operation looms
Meanwhile, the Taliban’s chief commander Fateh said he and his militant colleagues had already vacated their positions in Buner after their Ameer Maulana Fazlullah ordered them to leave the town.
Fateh said they went there on the appeal of the local Taliban to preach Jihad and remove misconception from the minds of the people about the Taliban.:113:
“People were thinking that the Taliban are inhuman, they behead people and always plunder, which is not correct. We succeeded in our mission and even without firing a single shot, we were in control of the Buner district,:2guns::blum3:” the Taliban commander said. He, however, threatened that there could be a backlash if the government started the operation at the moment when they had left the town.:bye::Laie_39:
just a general info for anyone concerned:
if you carefully read between the lines, you would realise that taliban that left buner were only those extra ppl who had come to assist those talibs that were already present in buner. so, in essence only extra troops have left. the rest of the 'local' taliban is still in buner.
meanwhile, RJ mullah continues to croon, while the great PA couldnt even find a way to stop the frequency or find the radio station. circus in pakistan is unique.
A report from AFP on the fear griping on the mind of the residents of Buner.
AFP: Fear grips Pakistan district
Fear grips Pakistan district
6 hours ago
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) — "I have resigned. I will never go to my job as I don't want my parents to be sent my body," said a woman in a northwest Pakistan district from which the Taliban claimed to have withdrawn.
The woman, who called herself only Hafsa, said she worked for a charity until the Taliban advanced into Buner, just 100 kilometres (62 miles) from Islamabad, from the neighbouring district of Swat, which was torn apart by a nearly two-year Islamist insurgency.
Fear and uncertainty reigned in Buner on Saturday despite what the hardline movement trumpeted as a withdrawal to Swat -- just the other side of the mountains -- to shore up a deal to enforce Islamic law there.
"People are scared," said local resident Nisar Khan.
"We used to see women going to their offices before the Taliban arrived in the area, but today they did not go to their jobs," he added.
"Shops are open and there are no signs of armed Taliban patrolling streets in Buner but people face uncertainty and fear that they may come back," Khan told AFP by telephone from the district.
People were reluctant to go to markets and other public places, as women stayed away from their workplaces and girl students stayed at home on the morning after the pull back, witnesses said.
The government deployed up to 300 extra paramilitary police to secure Buner but Taliban elements were still present, local police said.
Banners, which were strung up in Buner town after the Taliban moved in telling women not to go to markets, still flapped in the wind Saturday, said one resident, on condition of anonymity.
Jam Sher Khan, who works for a local non-governmental organisation, said the Taliban had forcefully occupied his office in Buner.
"Now they have left but our office is still locked and we will not resume duty until authorities provide us security," he said.
A Taliban commander said after his men entered Buner that they would set up strict Islamic sharia courts, as they have done in Swat.
Both Buner and Swat fall within Malakand, a district of some three million people in North West Frontier Province where President Asif Ali Zardari has ratified an agreement to enforce sharia law in exchange for peace.
"Female staff in my office as well as schools and colleges did not turn up today," said deputy district education officer, Mohammad Sahib.
Some people were grateful that the threat of a military operation to flush out the Taliban had been averted -- at least for now.
"I am very happy about the Taliban's retreat from the area because this has diminished chances of a military operation," said Mohammad Khanzada, who runs a grocery shop.
"I do not want my town to become another Swat, which lost its beauty after the military operation."
The Pakistan military were bogged down in nearly two years of fighting with the Taliban in Swat, once the jewel of Pakistan's tourism industry and a popular ski resort, during which tens of thousands of residents fled.
People in Buner said they hoped things would now improve but were concerned about the lingering presence of local Taliban.
"We are hopeful that the situation will now return to normal after the Taliban withdrawal," Jehanzeb Khan, a local lawyer said.
"The Taliban from Swat have left and there is no patrolling going on but we still have local Taliban members from Buner present," he added.
The seriously affected is the morale in common men and women in Buner, it is the psychology of common populace that suffers under threats of terror.
There is another report from TIMES ONLINE.
How about this line? Banners, which were strung up in Buner town after the Taliban moved in telling women not to go to markets, still flapped in the wind Saturday, said one resident, on condition of anonymity.
I remember back when the Taliban controlled Kandahar this was the rule there. Old people who only had daughters starved to death in their homes. Many young women were killed for venturing out to save old parents to get food.
Any home that didn't have a male to go to the market was doomed.
The pakistani establishment is in cahoots with them, that is why there is no resistance for take over, if we are thinking Pakistan is breaking with Talibunni take over no it is consolidating in to an official feudal state
‘Stop the Taliban now or we will’ - Times Online
Taliban in Buner - Video
Taliban in Buner - Video
Good video daredevil. Thanks.
I watched it right through. These people are living in the dark ages. Nothing has changed in all the ages. There is no hope to change them. To be born a female in such a society is to be born in hell.
A few conclusions I draw from this whole fiasco
1. PA is afraid to fight the Taliban lest its vulnerabilities and weaknesses are exposed. Even Amongst FC whose soldiers are intimately aware of this terrain and people, there are significant numbers who are not ready to fight Taliban.
2. PA has not forgotten the backlash of post-Lal Masjid op. Another botched attempt and good bye to PA's coups. Taliban have the support of many in tribal areas, lower middle class and possibly amongst juniors/NCOs in the army.
And in any case Pashtuns are generally at a boil pointing, many of their brethren have been killed by Nato soldiers in Af, Drones and PA soldiers in tribal areas, internal-wars incited by PA, and by MQM in Karachi.
3. PA is bidding time, till shyt hits the fan, PA will then assert control. Cut deals with Talibans to keep them busy elsewhere (read Kashmir, Chechnya, Dagestan, Afghanistan etc).
Next is Karachi, with ample proof that it is with help of the establishment:
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
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