British ships banned from docking in Buenos Aires

[Ray]

The Malvinas' is always a good rallying cry in Argentina. Crack on I say, just shows how pathetic they are

I know it as Falklands.

At the same time, Argentina is a free country to do what she wants to do. One can't really quibble on that.

 

[Scalieback]

I know it as Falklands.

So does most of the world, just some grudge bearing, problem avoiding South Americans know it as something else. If anything, the Spanish have more of a claim to them than Argentina and they have enough problems with Gibralter

Also, have a look at what Argentina has done to a Spanish company recently. Hardly winning friends and influencing people are they?

 

[Ray]

German immigrants are one of the largest ethnic groups of Argentina.

I believe that they have been instrumental in influencing the culture of Argentina.

Therefore, it is obvious that Argentina will have the German psychology to a great extent - being direct with no sugarcoating anything and pretty irritated when rules are not followed. They don't come off as friendly, do they?

The issue as far as Falklands is concerned is which rules?

 

[Scalieback]

German immigrants are one of the largest ethnic groups of Argentina.

I believe that they have been instrumental in influencing the culture of Argentina.

Therefore, it is obvious that Argentina will have the German psychology to a great extent - being direct with no sugarcoating anything and pretty irritated when rules are not followed. They don't come off as friendly, do they?

There was a lot of German immigration and of course after the war ..... There's even some Welsh in Argentina, must be the sheep

The issue as far as Falklands is concerned is which rules?

Who governs? We've had sovereignty since 1833, so ........

It's up to the islanders as usual and I think they're due a vote soon.

As for the latest sabre rattling, a combination of things such as oil exploration, Argentina's economy, Presidential elections and of course the thirty year anniversary.

 

[Ray]

Here lies your answer to the issue of Falkland.

President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina is the daughter of Eduardo Fernández (of Spanish heritage) and Ofelia Esther Wilhelm (of German descent).

The British have a problem with Spain over Gibraltar and the British aren't too fond of the Germans, either, even though the Royal Family of UK has German connections!

She has been most outspoken on the issue!

Anyway, best of luck to both of you.

Seconds out of the ring. Boxers.................. face each other...........Box!

 

[Scalieback]

Here lies your answer to the issue of Falkland.

President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina is the daughter of Eduardo Fernández (of Spanish heritage) and Ofelia Esther Wilhelm (of German descent).

The British have a problem with Spain over Gibraltar and the British aren't too fond of the Germans, either, even though the Royal Family of UK has German connections!

She has been most outspoken on the issue!

Anyway, best of luck to both of you.

Seconds out of the ring. Boxers.................. face each other...........Box!

It won't happen. Just sabre rattling as usual by the Argentinians. Nothing to do with whatever descent De Kirscher claims to be, just taking the eyes of the masses off their own problems

 

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[Ray]

The ownership of the Falkland Island is complicated.

The British claims that they are the first to record the existence of the islands because John Davis in 1592 saw the Islands and named it after Viscount Falkland, the the treasurer of the navy, Viscount Falkland and then sailed on. Davis was the commander of the Desire, one of the ships belonging to Thomas Cavendish's second expedition to the New World.

However, the Islands appeared on Portuguese maps from the early 16th century. The is no definite proof but there is evidence that the Island was discovered by the Portuguese since there are two maps, one, made by the Portuguese cartographer Pedro Reinel in about 1522 and the other a French copy of a Portuguese map bought in Lisbon by André Thévet (1516-1590), a Franciscan friar ; this copy is now in the manuscript of a large unpublished work by Thevet in the Bibliothèque nationale de France in Paris.

The islands remain uninhabited till the French established a colony at Port Louis on East Falkland in 1764. They named the Islands as les ÃŽles Malouines.

The following year Lord Byron heading a British expedition established a fort at Port Egmont on the tiny Saunders island north of West Falkland. Byron claims the islands for Britain. The expedition was not aware of the French presence in East Falkland.

The next year Captain John MacBride established a British settlement at Port Egmont. Spain had acquired the Island from France and In 1766, France agreed to leave, and Spain agreed to reimburse Louis de Bougainville, who had established a settlement at his own expense. The Spaniards assumed control in 1767 and renamed Port St. Louis as Puerto Soledad.

The British presence in the west continued. However during the Falkland Criris from 10 July 1770 to 22 January 1771 Spain captured the Islands. Britain on 20 May 1744 withdrew from the Island, though left a plaque asserting British sovereignty over the Islands.

Spain ruled the Islands from Buenos Aires until 1811 The pressures of the Peninsular war against Bonapartist rule at home and the moves toward independence by her South American colonies forced Spain to withdraw from the Island, though like Britain earlier, Spain left behind a plaque proclaiming her sovereignty.

When the Argentinians asserted their independence from Spain, in 1816, they also lay claim to the Spanish territory of the Malvinas. Argentinians took possession of the islands in 1820.

n 1832 Britain reasserted its claim to the Falklands and the next year a British force arrived and evicted the Argentinians. British settlers were brought in to populate the Islands. Argentina has from then on contested British sovereignty.

(Complied from various sources)

 

[Ray]

 

[Ray]

Falklands was possible of the Yaghan people of Tierra del Fuego, though it is claimed by the Europeans that when they arrived the Islands were uninhabited.

The Yaghan, also called Yagán, Yámana, Yamana, or Tequenica, are the indigenous peoples of the Southern Cone, who are regarded as the southernmost peoples in the world. Their traditional territory includes the islands south of Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego extending their presence into Cape Horn.

Wiki

 

[Scalieback]

The ownership of the Falkland Island is complicated.

The British claims that they are the first to record the existence of the islands because John Davis in 1592 saw the Islands and named it after Viscount Falkland, the the treasurer of the navy, Viscount Falkland and then sailed on. Davis was the commander of the Desire, one of the ships belonging to Thomas Cavendish's second expedition to the New World.

However, the Islands appeared on Portuguese maps from the early 16th century. The is no definite proof but there is evidence that the Island was discovered by the Portuguese since there are two maps, one, made by the Portuguese cartographer Pedro Reinel in about 1522 and the other a French copy of a Portuguese map bought in Lisbon by André Thévet (1516-1590), a Franciscan friar ; this copy is now in the manuscript of a large unpublished work by Thevet in the Bibliothèque nationale de France in Paris.

The islands remain uninhabited till the French established a colony at Port Louis on East Falkland in 1764. They named the Islands as les ÃŽles Malouines.

The following year Lord Byron heading a British expedition established a fort at Port Egmont on the tiny Saunders island north of West Falkland. Byron claims the islands for Britain. The expedition was not aware of the French presence in East Falkland.

The next year Captain John MacBride established a British settlement at Port Egmont. Spain had acquired the Island from France and In 1766, France agreed to leave, and Spain agreed to reimburse Louis de Bougainville, who had established a settlement at his own expense. The Spaniards assumed control in 1767 and renamed Port St. Louis as Puerto Soledad.

The British presence in the west continued. However during the Falkland Criris from 10 July 1770 to 22 January 1771 Spain captured the Islands. Britain on 20 May 1744 withdrew from the Island, though left a plaque asserting British sovereignty over the Islands.

Spain ruled the Islands from Buenos Aires until 1811 The pressures of the Peninsular war against Bonapartist rule at home and the moves toward independence by her South American colonies forced Spain to withdraw from the Island, though like Britain earlier, Spain left behind a plaque proclaiming her sovereignty.

When the Argentinians asserted their independence from Spain, in 1816, they also lay claim to the Spanish territory of the Malvinas. Argentinians took possession of the islands in 1820.

n 1832 Britain reasserted its claim to the Falklands and the next year a British force arrived and evicted the Argentinians. British settlers were brought in to populate the Islands. Argentina has from then on contested British sovereignty.

(Complied from various sources)

Spain and Argentina has as much right to the islands as Germany has to the Channel Islands and France and Britain has to the United States of America ie none.

It's dead in the water and should be down to the people of the Islands whether they want to be governed by BA or London, same as Gib and substitute Madrid and London. In the meantime...........

 

[Scalieback]

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Oh dear, an insult to the Queen, I'm upset

Funny how the 'little people with big chips on their shoulders' always try and insult the Queen. They rhyme with 'paper hats'

 

[Ray]

Spain and Argentina has as much right to the islands as Germany has to the Channel Islands and France and Britain has to the United States of America ie none.

It's dead in the water and should be down to the people of the Islands whether they want to be governed by BA or London, same as Gib and substitute Madrid and London. In the meantime...........

With about 70 percent being of British descent (settlers), it is not difficult how the wind will blow.

 

[Scalieback]

With about 70 percent being of British descent (settlers), it is not difficult how the wind will blow.

Of course, then again most of Gibralters population is of Spanish origin and they choose London everytime. Now why is that

 

[Ray]

Of course, then again most of Gibralters population is of Spanish origin and they choose London everytime. Now why is that

The majority of the Spanish population, with few exceptions, left Gibraltar when the Dutch and English took the village in 1704.

Gibraltarians of Spanish origin are one of the bigger groups (more than 24% according to last names, even more taking into account the fact that a larger share of Spanish women married native Gibraltarians)

The analysis of names in the electoral roll shows that 27% of Gibraltarians have British origin.


^ Archer, Edward G.: Gibraltar, identity and empire, page 40. Routledge Advances in European Politics.

Nationality Number Percentage
Gibraltarian 22,882 83.2
Other British 2,627 9.6
Moroccan 961 3.5
Spanish 326 1.2
Other EU 275 1.0
Other 424 1.5

Who are Gibraltarians

Rank Origin Proportion (%) of family names
on 1995 electoral register[5]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan) 24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese 11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned 2%

I think there lies the answer as to why Gibraltarians voted to be with UK.

Wiki

 

[Scalieback]

The majority of the Spanish population, with few exceptions, left Gibraltar when the Dutch and English took the village in 1704.

Gibraltarians of Spanish origin are one of the bigger groups (more than 24% according to last names, even more taking into account the fact that a larger share of Spanish women married native Gibraltarians)

The analysis of names in the electoral roll shows that 27% of Gibraltarians have British origin.


^ Archer, Edward G.: Gibraltar, identity and empire, page 40. Routledge Advances in European Politics.

Nationality Number Percentage
Gibraltarian 22,882 83.2
Other British 2,627 9.6
Moroccan 961 3.5
Spanish 326 1.2
Other EU 275 1.0
Other 424 1.5

Who are Gibraltarians

Rank Origin Proportion (%) of family names
on 1995 electoral register[5]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan) 24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese 11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned 2%

I think there lies the answer as to why Gibraltarians voted to be with UK.

Wiki

27%, exactly. Of Brit origin and if you went to Gib you'd see most of people with short stature, olive skin, dark eyes and dark hair. So which way do the remaining 73% vote? For Spain or Britain?

What was the percentage for and against last time a referendum was held?

Edited to add: 98%! Pretty convincing imo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002

 

[sky]

iv'e just googled the answer , quite comprehensive result i think. 2002 referendum

 

[Ray]

27%, exactly. Of Brit origin and if you went to Gib you'd see most of people with short stature, olive skin, dark eyes and dark hair. So which way do the remaining 73% vote? For Spain or Britain?

What was the percentage for and against last time a referendum was held?

Edited to add: 98%! Pretty convincing imo Gibraltar sovereignty referendum, 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gibraltarians are:

Who are Gibraltarians

Rank Origin Proportion (%) of family names
on 1995 electoral register[5]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan) 24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese 11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned 2%

They can look like Martians but the family names give the loyalty.

We had Anglo Indians, born and brought up in India and were still living in India.

Some of whom, were real dark in colour.

They, however, felt that Britain was their 'home'!

Most have migrated to UK, Australia and Canada.

So, Gibraltarians may have the same psychology and hence find UK their 'home'.

It is natural that people who are of mixed origin or on a limb but has some connection, like to identify with the better placed of the mixed ancestry. Nothing abnormal or be ashamed of!

Read John Masters masterpiece Bhowani Junction and you will understand.

The people of Falkland are called Kelpers. But are of British extract.

 

[Scalieback]

Gibraltarians are:

Who are Gibraltarians

Rank Origin Proportion (%) of family names
on 1995 electoral register[5]
1 British 27%
2 Spanish (excluding Minorcan) 24%
3 Italian 19%
4 Portuguese 11%
5 Maltese 8%
6 Jewish 3%
7 Minorcan 2%
8 Other 4%
9 Unassigned 2%

They can look like Martians but the family names give the loyalty.

We had Anglo Indians, born and brought up in India and were still living in India.

Some of whom, were real dark in colour.

They, however, felt that Britain was their 'home'!

Most have migrated to UK, Australia and Canada.

So, Gibraltarians may have the same psychology and hence find UK their 'home'.

It is natural that people who are of mixed origin or on a limb but has some connection, like to identify with the better placed of the mixed ancestry. Nothing abnormal or be ashamed of!

Read John Masters masterpiece Bhowani Junction and you will understand.

Talk about obfuscation. Neither of your replies are answering the fact that Gib has voted overwhelmingly to remain Brit. 27% are of Brit origin from hundreds of years ago. 98% voted to stay Brit. I wonder what a poll in India would return on going back to the Ray

The people of Falkland are called Kelpers. But are of British extract.

They may call themselves that. They were known as 'Benny's' after a well known soap character and when that got banned, they were known as 'Stills' as in 'Still Benny's'

 

[Ray]

Talk about obfuscation. Neither of your replies are answering the fact that Gib has voted overwhelmingly to remain Brit. 27% are of Brit origin from hundreds of years ago. 98% voted to stay Brit. I wonder what a poll in India would return on going back to the Ray



They may call themselves that. They were known as 'Benny's' after a well known soap character and when that got banned, they were known as 'Stills' as in 'Still Benny's'

It shows how little you understand human psychology.

I have explained why mixed ancestry people identify more with the side of the ancestry that gives a sense of belonging to a Nation that is the 'better off' of the two in terms of international recognition and allied issues.

Of course, if one wants to be obtuse and close their hatch and not comprehend. what can one do?

One can only take a horse to water, but cannot make it drink.

The Falkland chaps of British origin are called Kelpers and the Argentinians are called Bennies.

Surprising that you did not know that, more so, since you wish all to feel that you are very knowledgable about everything and anything!