Brahmos with 800-km Range capable of striking deep inside China - Coming Soon

[Shashank Nayak]

Not even the US could afford that for 24/7 coverage of all of its territory and bases. The best you could do is put up enough AWACs for a limited area and time of tension. SKA is under threat of attack any time and any place and it is not a small country like Oman that can concentrate its air defence.

Yes.. but not as difficult as defending in Europe or India... KSA is a vast expanse. ..but still a desert...

 

[WARREN SS]

Again, supersonic cruise missile doesn't fly in low altitude inland attacking unless you get some alien techs. It is quite easier to intercept than subsonic cruise as the latter is actually flying through the valley and hard to track continuously.

Flawed Arguments Brahmos basically land variant of Anti-ship variant which demonstrated as low as 10 meters at terminal Stage There Is Various Flight Trajectories Installed in It Its Flies Supersonic in Whole Flight Envelope
While Sea Skimming at 3-4 meters



Also Like Supersonic cruise Missiles Subsonic Cruise Missiles Also Don't Fly in low Altitude in their Entire Flight Envelope But Mostly in Terminal guidance mode

Modern Radars Can Easily Track Cruise Missiles Which Have Larger RCS in compared To many Fighter planes Which can Basically can go lower than CM

Stealth Cruise Missiles Are Different Ball Game all together

Kindly

Go through Link To address Quarries regarding Brahmos

https://web.archive.org/web/20130805213356/http://brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10

 

[WARREN SS]

Not even the US could afford that for 24/7 coverage of all of its territory and bases. The best you could do is put up enough AWACs for a limited area and time of tension. SKA is under threat of attack any time and any place and it is not a small country like Oman that can concentrate its air defence.

US Already Started To prepare Against Cruise missiles in 70's

Read Research Paper by Lee O. Upton and Lewis A. Thurman

Radars for the Detection and Tracking of Cruise Missiles

https://archive.ll.mit.edu/publications/journal/pdf/vol12_no2/12_2detectcruisemissile.pdf

 

[Armand2REP]

US Already Started To prepare Against Cruise missiles in 70's

Read Research Paper by Lee O. Upton and Lewis A. Thurman

Radars for the Detection and Tracking of Cruise Missiles

https://archive.ll.mit.edu/publications/journal/pdf/vol12_no2/12_2detectcruisemissile.pdf

When Mexican cartels can fly drug shipments into the country it tells you how much that is worth.

 

[WARREN SS]

When Mexican cartels can fly drug shipments into the country it tells you how much that is worth.

Probably CIA Makes Lot money In that And Links are Related Upto Capital hill

We All Know-how Pablo Easccbar Myth had been created

 

[no smoking]

Flawed Arguments Brahmos basically land variant of Anti-ship variant which demonstrated as low as 10 meters at terminal Stage There Is Various Flight Trajectories Installed in It Its Flies Supersonic in Whole Flight Envelope
While Sea Skimming at 3-4 meters

All you said here is the missile working model in the sea, not land. I can drive a car at 150km/h on the express way, doesn't mean the same car can be driven at the same speed in the CBD.

Also Like Supersonic cruise Missiles Subsonic Cruise Missiles Also Don't Fly in low Altitude in their Entire Flight Envelope But Mostly in Terminal guidance mode

Wrong, that is exactly where the subsonic cruise missile's strength: they can fly around 50-150 meters above the ground through the ENTIRE JOURNEY.

Modern Radars Can Easily Track Cruise Missiles Which Have Larger RCS in compared To many Fighter planes Which can Basically can go lower than CM

Wrong again, the RCS of cruise missiles are far smaller than all fighter planes except stealth plane. Generally, they are less than 0.5 m2.

 

[asianobserve]

Flawed Arguments Brahmos basically land variant of Anti-ship variant which demonstrated as low as 10 meters at terminal Stage There Is Various Flight Trajectories Installed in It Its Flies Supersonic in Whole Flight Envelope
While Sea Skimming at 3-4 meters



Also Like Supersonic cruise Missiles Subsonic Cruise Missiles Also Don't Fly in low Altitude in their Entire Flight Envelope But Mostly in Terminal guidance mode

Modern Radars Can Easily Track Cruise Missiles Which Have Larger RCS in compared To many Fighter planes Which can Basically can go lower than CM

Stealth Cruise Missiles Are Different Ball Game all together

Kindly

Go through Link To address Quarries regarding Brahmos

https://web.archive.org/web/20130805213356/http://brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10

Subsonic cruise missiles hug the terrain throughout their flight to target.

Tomahawk

Konsberg NSM

 

[asianobserve]

When Mexican cartels can fly drug shipments into the country it tells you how much that is worth.

Most of drugs that go into US now arrives by seaport on container vans (same as Philippines where most drugs arrive via container vans of Chinese drugs traders), or semi-submersible vessles or overland. Drug cartels only fly drugs via ultralights and drones just to hop the border. There's not much long distance plane transports of drugs mostly because of effective air surveilance including the use of Lockheed Martin's passive radar "Silent Sentry" by the DEA as early as 1998 (the same radar tech that German are claiming as revolutionary when they tracked 2 F-35s).

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/c...-technology-enables-passive-groundbased-radar

 

[Armand2REP]

Most of drugs that go into US now arrives by seaport on container vans (same as Philippines where most drugs arrive via container vans of Chinese drugs traders), or semi-submersible vessles or overland. Drug cartels only fly drugs via ultralights and drones just to hop the border. There's not much long distance plane transports of drugs mostly because of effective air surveilance including the use of Lockheed Martin's passive radar "Silent Sentry" by the DEA as early as 1998 (the same radar tech that German are claiming as revolutionary when they tracked 2 F-35s).

There are 150 planes registered with the FAA implicated in drug running. They buy them in South Florida and Delaware, do as many runs until they get caught and the same aircraft companies buy them back at auction and sell them back to the same drug cartels. That is on top of the drones, the Americans are not serious about protecting their border.

 

[WARREN SS]

Subsonic cruise missiles hug the terrain throughout their flight to target.

Tomahawk

Konsberg NSM

Not In all flight, it changes trajectories according to the guidance and terrain


FLIGHT TRAJECTORY
The flight path followed by cruise missiles depends on their launch platform, guidance systems, and the target.

• Sea skimming / Terrain Hugging

Anti-ship cruise missiles generally follow a sea skimming profile. This means that the missile flies just a few meters above the water surface. This flight profile makes the missile invisible to enemy radar until it is just round 30 km away from the ship due to the earth’s curvature. Flying low delays its detection by the enemy unless the enemy has an airborne radar. But flying low has its disadvantages as well. Fuel consumption is high when following a sea skimming profile. Range at sea skimming height is 30-40% of the range at high attitude flight.

Land attack missiles generally follow a terrain hugging profile. This means that they closely follow the ups and downs of the terrain and remain hidden from detection by radars due to their low altitude.

BRAHMOS USES

Mixed altitude profile

Many cruise missiles follow a mixed trajectory. Once they are launched, they fly at high altitudes for optimum range and when they approach their target, they climb down to a few meters altitude and make their final approach towards the target. This offers the range advantage of high altitude flight and the radar-evading ability of the sea-skimming flight. Many modern cruise missiles follow this flight profile and some of them go supersonic at the terminal sea skimming phase.

UNLIKE OTHER SUPERSONIC CRUISE BRAHMOS FLY SUPERSONIC THROUGHOUT ITS ALL FLIGHT

https://defencyclopedia.com/2014/08/01/explained-how-cruise-missiles-work/

 

[WARREN SS]

ll you said here is the missile working model in the sea, not land. I can drive a car at 150km/h on the expressway, doesn't mean the same car can be driven at the same speed in the CBD.

Go To Brahmos Link Its tested various Times
You are Ignorant to see It And Brahmos flies Mixed Altitude profile

Brahmos is the fastest low-altitude missile in the world. The missile has two stages: the first, consisting of a solid-fuel rocket, accelerates Brahmos to supersonic speeds. The second stage, a liquid-fueled ramjet, accelerates it to Mach 2.8. The missile reportedly flies as low 10 meters above wavetops, making it what’s known as a “sea skimmer”.
The missile is extremely versatile, capable of being carried by surface ships, land-based anti-ship missile batteries, and aircraft such as the Indian Air Force’s Su-30MK1. The air-launched version has a longer range of 500 kilometers. A submarine-based version is under consideration but has not been developed due to lack of interest.


As of Now no Air defense System in World Known to have capability of interception of Brahmos Missile
5 Killer Missiles That Could Sink Any Navy 'Battleship'

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/5-killer-missiles-could-sink-any-navy-battleship-83086

Wrong again, the RCS of cruise missiles are far smaller than all fighter planes except stealth plane. Generally, they are less than 0.5 m2.

LCA has Same RCS So Is new F-18 And F-16C has

Take Account Of Modern UHF Radars

Indian Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR)The Swordfish LRTR currently has a range of 1500 km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball (3-inches in diameter),

https://idrw.org/russian-s-400-air-defence-system-to-be-mated-with-israeli-scanners-in-india/

We Also have Integrated MF STAR AESA for our LR SAM program

 

[asianobserve]

Not In all flight, it changes trajectories according to the guidance and terrain


FLIGHT TRAJECTORY
The flight path followed by cruise missiles depends on their launch platform, guidance systems, and the target.

• Sea skimming / Terrain Hugging

Anti-ship cruise missiles generally follow a sea skimming profile. This means that the missile flies just a few meters above the water surface. This flight profile makes the missile invisible to enemy radar until it is just round 30 km away from the ship due to the earth’s curvature. Flying low delays its detection by the enemy unless the enemy has an airborne radar. But flying low has its disadvantages as well. Fuel consumption is high when following a sea skimming profile. Range at sea skimming height is 30-40% of the range at high attitude flight.

Land attack missiles generally follow a terrain hugging profile. This means that they closely follow the ups and downs of the terrain and remain hidden from detection by radars due to their low altitude.

BRAHMOS USES

Mixed altitude profile

Many cruise missiles follow a mixed trajectory. Once they are launched, they fly at high altitudes for optimum range and when they approach their target, they climb down to a few meters altitude and make their final approach towards the target. This offers the range advantage of high altitude flight and the radar-evading ability of the sea-skimming flight. Many modern cruise missiles follow this flight profile and some of them go supersonic at the terminal sea skimming phase.

UNLIKE OTHER SUPERSONIC CRUISE BRAHMOS FLY SUPERSONIC THROUGHOUT ITS ALL FLIGHT

https://defencyclopedia.com/2014/08/01/explained-how-cruise-missiles-work/

Even from your illustration it shows Bhramos maintaining a semi-ballistic profile most of its flight and only going down on terminal phase. Subsonic cruise missiles on the other hand once it's in flight maintains terrain-hugging flight path.

Watch this Tomahawk launch from a submarine: it rises up briefly and then immediately goes down in trajectory even before the rocket booster separates.

 

[uoftotaku]

Even from your illustration it shows Bhramos maintaining a semi-ballistic profile most of its flight and only going down on terminal phase. Subsonic cruise missiles on the other hand once it's in flight maintains terrain-hugging flight path.

BrahMos has multiple flight profiles selectable according to mission, range and terrain (if land attack)

For a pure low-level / sea skimming profile, absolute range is much lower than advertised.

The max range figure requires the high altitude semi-ballistic profile you mention where the missile executes a terminal dive or moves to sea skimming mode (depending on target profile again) but different flight profile combinations can be computed for situations as required.

Land attack is a much simpler game than anti-ship duties. A land target doesn't move so INS / GPS guidance on a LACM can be pre-set and forgotten. For a moving ship you need a mature kill-chain with mid-course guidance and a data link upload capability.

 

[asianobserve]

If India wants a cutting edge Anti ship with landcattack capability cruise missile then the Norwegian Konsberg Naval Strike Missile right now is the best in the business. It should buy it for the IN so that you do not rely on a single platform Bhramos for attacks.


Another beauty of NSM is that it uses IR sensor for targetting so the target does not get alerted as compsred to radar based targetting sensor. It's also immune from electronic countermeasures like chaff or electronic jamming.

 

[Craigs]

Even from your illustration it shows Bhramos maintaining a semi-ballistic profile most of its flight and only going down on terminal phase. Subsonic cruise missiles on the other hand once it's in flight maintains terrain-hugging flight path.

Watch this Tomahawk launch from a submarine: it rises up briefly and then immediately goes down in trajectory even before the rocket booster separates.

I don't see tomahawk diving down in this video. I do see the booster separating and splashing down.

 

[asianobserve]

I don't see tomahawk diving down in this video. I do see the booster separating and splashing down.

It starting going down on 0:32 even while booster was still attached, look again.

 

[asianobserve]

Another subsonic cruise missile, Kalibr, look at how it rises and the immediately diving to its cruise altitude after booster separation:

 

[Craigs]

It starting going down on 0:32 even while booster was still attached, look again.

Your eyes are getting deceived by perspective.

 

[asianobserve]

Your eyes are getting deceived by perspective.

Just look at the flight profile of the Russian Tomahawk copy Kalibr, they're the same as with all subsonic anti ship or land attack cruise missiles.

 

[WARREN SS]

Even from your illustration it shows Bhramos maintaining a semi-ballistic profile most of its flight and only going down on terminal phase. Subsonic cruise missiles on the other hand once it's in flight maintains terrain-hugging flight path.

Watch this Tomahawk launch from a submarine: it rises up briefly and then immediately goes down in trajectory even before the rocket booster separates.

Brahmos flies All flight supersonic


It's Flight trajectory is unpredictable
With Midcourse update
Its's shorter engagement time envelope makes it impossible for any know air defense system to engage it

Read US navy report