Bodhidharma- an Indian who is Father of Chinese Shaolin Kung fu..

[Param]

DMK should know that Buddhism is an 'Aryan' religion

Hinduism itself is not all 'aryan' religion. It is the vedic religion, the brahmincal faith that is 'aryan'. Hinduism is an evolution of almost a the historic cultural and religious practices of the multiple races of the subcontinent. Hinduism is a combination of Aryan and non aryan religious stuff.

As for Buddhism , it along with jainism was very popular and the dominant faith during the Kalabhra Interregnum that happened between the 3rd century ad the 6th century.
D parties do not have a problem with Buddhism coz it was not a brahmnical faith.

 

[Param]

How Bodhidharma and his Buddhism disappeared from Tamil Nadu? TruthDive

Buddhism disappeared in TN primarily because of the Bhakthi movement. Pandyas who defeated kalabhras also followed the brahmnical Hinduism.So did the Pallavas who who succeeded the Pandyas. A lot of buddhists and Jains were persecuted after the fall of the kalabhras.

 

[mahesh]

as far as i see all the posts here, tamil movies and mallu soft porns are sister threads of this Bodhidharma topic, :shocked:

can anyone open separate thread of this sub topics , if so we could promote some film industry or could even get enlightened with new kamasutra chapters:thumb:

 

[mahesh]

The origin of Shaolin Kung Fu is generally credited to an Indian monk named Tat Moh, who is also sometimes known as Boddhidharma. He began life as a prince in Southern India, but became a devoted Buddhist, renouncing his royal heritage to take up the simple lifestyle of a monk. He traveled widely, spreading the teachings of Buddhism. Eventually he rose to become the 28th patriarch of India.

In those days, it was common for Indian monks to travel to China where their Buddhist teachings were eagerly received. In the year 520 A.D. Tat Moh made just such a journey, right through India and China, finally settling at the monastery called Shao Lin - which means 'little forest'. He was disappointed, however, to find the monks very weak and unable to withstand the austere ways of Buddhism - a life which often consisted of long fasts and frugal living.

Tat Moh therefore retired into a cave and meditated in isolation in order to find a solution to the problem. When he emerged after nine years of hard study, he had devised a set of exercises for the monks. These were similar to some Indian exercises such as yoga and were intended to regulate and strengthen the monks' chi flow. Their intention was to strengthen the monks and increase their health and vitality; and this they did, so successfully that Tat Moh's Chi Kung exercises are still practiced to this day. They form the basis of the Shaolin Arts.

It seems that in China there was more than one temple named 'Shaolin'. In this history we will discuss only the Shaolin temple in Fukien Province, since ours is a Fukienese art.

In the history of China there was much lawlessness. Bandits and villains were widespread. Temples were vulnerable to attack, as were monks who traveled the country teaching the ways of Buddhism. So as to protect themselves, the monks developed a system of fighting based on the exercises taught by the founder master - Tat Moh.

Buddhist monks are very gentle and good natured. Their fighting system was developed only to defend themselves against harm. This system was called the 'Lohon' style after the monks in the temple (Lohons) who developed it. The Lohon style is a very basic form of Kung Fu which emphasizes low stances and strong body posture. It proved very successful.

The monks of the Shaolin temple practiced diligently to increase their martial arts skills and were constantly striving to improve their art. A great step forward came with the evolution of the third Shaolin style, called the Tiger style - Tai Chor in Chinese. This was developed by a Chinese emperor, who had relinquished his royal position to adopt the austere ways of Buddhism. He finally settled at the Shaolin temple where he studied deeply in the martial arts, eventually developing the Tai Chor style. For this reason, Tai Chor is sometimes also known as the emperor's style. Tai Chor uses the strong but mobile stance which we use in the Tiger-Crane combination, and which we call the 'walking stance'. It also emphasizes a very strong twisting punch. In fact, the straight punch which ends with a twist of the fist has become a hallmark of Shaolin Kung Fu. The Tai Chor style develops great power and was, therefore, able to defeat the Lohon style which it superseded.

No style is unbeatable. Every move has a counter. Inevitably, another style was later developed which could counter the Tiger style. This was the monkey style, known in Chinese as Tai Sheng. Monkey is a very fast, deceptive style. The monkey tends to close in on his opponent, strike and retreat all in one rapid sequence. Hence, the powerful Tiger may be unable to hit his tricky, constantly moving opponent. If the monkey misses with a strike, he will still move away from his opponent so as not to allow them the chance to counter him. The monkey's strikes are accurate, more than powerful and are delivered with fingers or the open palm. Grabbing is also a favorite monkey technique. The monkey likes to crouch and often attacks the lower body. He especially favours targeting the groin. For male opponents this can result in serious loss!

Because the monkey style consists of much crouching and rolling, it is best suited to people who are short. It is often considered one of the most entertaining styles to watch.

How can the techniques of the monkey possibly be countered? The answer is by the techniques of the white crane! The white crane style was the last and most technically advanced style to be developed in the Fukien Shaolin Temple. Even to this day, the crane style is regarded with great respect and is shrouded in secrecy by its masters. Hence it has been one of the last Kung Fu styles which the Chinese have 'let go' to westerners.

What is this devastating secret possessed by the white crane? The crane sticks. As soon as the crane is attacked it establishes touch contact. If its opponent tries to land the attack, the crane deflects it: if the opponent withdraws, the crane follows; never releasing its touch until it finds a certain opportunity to strike - which it does with no mercy. What use the tricky techniques of the monkey? As he tries to dart away the crane will follow, sticking to him until the chance presents itself to strike. The white crane style represents the pinnacle of the Shaolin martial arts.

 

[Tshering22]

Beautifully written! I was searching for a write like this to be posted. Thanks!!

 

[KS]

All the effects due to 7am Arivu

 

[KS]

How Bodhidharma and his Buddhism disappeared from Tamil Nadu? TruthDive

resurgence of the Bhakti movement , the defeat of the Pallava empire and the rise of the Chola empire (who were devout Shaivites).

 

[LurkerBaba]

Buddhism was wiped out (more or less) in China by the Confucians way before CCP. Keep this in mind guys

 

[KS]

To our mallu friends;

Its a Tamil movie, ofcourse its going to be jingo about Tamil culture, what else do you expect? If you guys don't like seeing such thing then don't watch Tamil movies.

A bit like Pakis watching Bollywood day in and day out and then bitching about the same...

 

[The Messiah]

A bit like Pakis watching Bollywood day in and day out and then bitching about the same...

Demonizing fellow Indians and seeing yourself as superior and you have the nerve to call yourself a patriot ?

 

[mahesh]

Beautifully written! I was searching for a write like this to be posted. Thanks!!

sorry, credit goes to someone who wrote this, my work was only just trying hard to find something like this

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Hoops friends i came to this thread hoping to see more facts and news as the title said
[h=2]Bodhidharma- an Indian who is Father of Chinese Shaolin Kung fu..[/h]
now i see we are fighting among our-self whats all this DMK, Tamil, Malayalam, Aryan, Dravadian, Kolliwood, crap is all this not INDIAN ?

 

[SPIEZ]

Hoops friends i came to this thread hoping to see more facts and news as the title said
Bodhidharma- an Indian who is Father of Chinese Shaolin Kung fu..


now i see we are fighting among our-self whats all this DMK, Tamil, Malayalam, Aryan, Dravadian, Kolliwood, crap is all this not INDIAN ?

Sorry for OT. But some ppl always tend to bring about regionalism, caste, north-south divide. They seem to be a real problem!

Always regarding that they are far better and others are a waste.

 

[Yusuf]

One more OT post and the thread goes to trash.

 

[Virendra]

Why is such a good thread hijacked by infighting flames .. no lessons taken from history?
Mods please delete all irrelevant posts or others would be tempted to hit back at them and this will never end.

Edit: I guess deleting irrelevant stuff is a better idea than trashing the thread altogether. But I reckon it may be a time consuming affair.
Your call ....

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Yusuf]

Yes it is the easier option. I expect better from senior posters to not make mod work more difficult. Want to keep the thread open, keep it clean. Your call.

 

[Virendra]

Lets get back to Bodhi? If we have any respect and interest for him.

 

[Virendra]

There's always a talk of spiritual overlap between India and China since ancient times .. I mean many places like Mansarovar and Chinese temples in that region.
There would've been better give and take between the pure souls on both sides of Himalya. An uninhabited and quiet Mountain range stirred only by Yogis and other kinds of highest practitioners. There must be many more of such examples waiting to come out of dust.
By the way did this connection/overlap have any telling on the establishment of silk route or was it purely mundane?

Regards,
Virendra

 

[SPIEZ]

BODHIDHARMA'S TEACHINGS :
[h=3]The Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra[/h] The Lankavatara Sutra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lankavatara_Sutra, one of the Mahayana Buddhist sutra's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutra, is a highly "difficult and obscure" text[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-37[/SUP] whose basic thrust is to emphasize "the inner enlightemment that does away with all duality and is raised above all distinctions".[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-38[/SUP] It is among the first and most important texts in the Yogacara, or "Conciousness-onlyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness-only", school of Mahāyāna Buddhism.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-39[/SUP]

One of the recurrent emphases in the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra is a lack of reliance on words to effectively express reality:

If, Mahamati, you say that because of the reality of words the objects are, this talk lacks in sense. Words are not known in all the Buddha-lands; words, Mahamati, are an artificial creation. In some Buddha-lands ideas are indicated by looking steadily, in others by gestures, in still others by a frown, by the movement of the eyes, by laughing, by yawning, or by the clearing of the throat, or by recollection, or by trembling.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-40[/SUP]

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In contrast to the ineffectiveness of words, the sūtra instead stresses the importance of the "self-realization" that is "attained by noble wisdom"[SUP] [/SUP]and occurs "when one has an insight into reality as it is":[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-42[/SUP] "The truth is the state of self-realization and is beyond categories of discrimination".[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-43[/SUP] The sūtra goes on to outline the ultimate effects of an experience of self-realization:

[The Bodhisatvva] will become thoroughly conversant with the noble truth of self-realization, will become a perfect master of his own mind, will conduct himself without effort, will be like a gem reflecting a variety of colours, will be able to assume the body of transformation, will be able to enter into the subtle minds of all beings, and, because of his firm belief in the truth of Mind-only, will, by gradually ascending the stages, become established in Buddhahood.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-44[/SUP]

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One of the fundamental Chán texts attributed to Bodhidharma is a four-line stanza whose first two verses echo the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra's disdain for words and whose second two verses stress the importance of the insight into reality achieved through "self-realization":

A special transmission outside the scriptures,
Not founded upon words and letters;
By pointing directly to [one's] mind
It lets one see into [one's own true] nature and [thus] attain Buddhahood.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-Dumoulin85-45[/SUP]

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The stanza, in fact, is not Bodhidharma's, but rather dates to the year 1108.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-46[/SUP] Nonetheless, there are earlier texts which explicitly associate Bodhidharma with the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra. Daoxuan, for example, in a late recension of his biography of Bodhidharma's successor Huike, has the sūtra as a basic and important element of the teachings passed down by Bodhidharma:

In the beginning Dhyana Master Bodhidharma took the four-roll Laṅkā Sūtra, handed it over to Huike, and said: "When I examine the land of China, it is clear that there is only this sutra. If you rely on it to practice, you will be able to cross over the world."[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-47[/SUP]

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Another early text, the Record of the Masters and Disciples of the Laá¹…kāvatāra SÅ«tra (楞伽師資記 Léngqié shÄ«zÄ« jì) of Jìngjué (淨覺; 683–750), also mentions Bodhidharma in relation to this text. Jingjue's account also makes explicit mention of "sitting meditation", or zazen:[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-48[/SUP]

For all those who sat in meditation, Master Bodhi[dharma] also offered expositions of the main portions of the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra, which are collected in a volume of twelve or thirteen pages, bearing the title of Teaching of [Bodhi-]Dharma.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-50[/SUP]

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In other early texts, the school that would later become known as Chán is sometimes referred to as the "Laṅkāvatāra school" (楞伽宗 Léngqié zōng).[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma#cite_note-51[/SUP]

 

[Tshering22]

Hoops friends i came to this thread hoping to see more facts and news as the title said
[h=2]Bodhidharma- an Indian who is Father of Chinese Shaolin Kung fu..[/h]
now i see we are fighting among our-self whats all this DMK, Tamil, Malayalam, Aryan, Dravadian, Kolliwood, crap is all this not INDIAN ?

Some people are still sickeningly regionalist and demented. There are a couple of Indians on the green forum who were so desperate to call themselves "different" from north Indians that they totally twisted even ancient philosophy (which I busted them in. Though it was funny that I being a Buddhist knew more about mainstream Hindu philosophies). This sort of stuff is usually easy. Once you have firm knowledge, pride and acceptance of India's ancient culture, regionalist jerks are easy to catch and bust online.

GUYS: NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST, NORTHEAST.... ALL THESE ARE DIRECTIONS MEANT FOR GEOGRAPHIC NAVIGATION. WE ARE ALL INDIANS.