Biharis? Bangladeshis? or Pakistanis?

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Biharis? Bangladeshis? or Pakistanis?
Stateless and Identityless people.


They are Hindi-Urdu speaking Muslims, and descendants thereof, who moved from Bihar to East Pakistan or East Bengal during Partition of 1947. During the Bengali Language revolution and the subsequent Bangladesh Liberation War, they sided with West Pakistan. They enjoyed the protection of Pakistani government and collaborated with them, and are also referred to as Razakars.

Pakistan eventually surrendered, and while the Indian Army was protecting the Pakistani PoWs, the Mukti-Bahini cadres publicly executed many of these Razakars.







Some survived.

Of them, some escaped to southern Assam to save themselves from the Mukti-Bahini cadres, who at that time, were well armed and full of vengeance. Some were restricted to camps, like the Geneva Camp in Dhaka.

The current generation has nothing to do with the Bangladesh Liberation War. Pakistan refuses to take them. Those that moved into India are called Bangladeshis by Indians. Those that remained in Bangladesh are called Biharis by Bangladeshis.

They are state-less, right-less, future-less.

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Every second Pakistan refuses to take them in, they (predominantly the Pakjabis) betray the vision/fantasy of Jinnah as Pakistan being the homeland of subcontinental Muslims and also the Ummat...and indulge in ethno-nationalism that is prohibited in Quran.

No true Pakistanis , no true Muslims..
 

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Every second Pakistan refuses to take them in, they (predominantly the Pakjabis) betray the vision/fantasy of Jinnah as Pakistan being the homeland of subcontinental Muslims and also the Ummat...and indulge in ethno-nationalism that is prohibited in Quran.

No true Pakistanis , no true Muslims..
Well, I even asked my Bangladeshi friend that the current generation should not suffer for whatever their ancestors did. He shot back saying they are lucky they are at least alive in Bangladesh. He said that if Pakistan government did not care for them despite them being loyal to Pakistan, why should Bangladesh government care?
 

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Well, I even asked my Bangladeshi friend that the current generation should not suffer for whatever their ancestors did. He shot back saying they are lucky they are at least alive in Bangladesh. He said that if Pakistan government did not care for them despite them being loyal to Pakistan, why should Bangladesh government care?
Why would the Pakjabis care when they even treat the resident Mohajirs as only Indians and not equal Pakistanis..lol....If Jinnah was alive today the Pakjabis would also call him an Indian stooge..
 

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Why would the Pakjabis care when they even treat the resident Mohajirs as only Indians and not equal Pakistanis..lol....If Jinnah was alive today the Pakjabis would also call him an Indian stooge..
Pakistan is a basket case. They have too many identities, and therefore, no identity at all. They a confused lot led by megalomaniac leaders who think they can rule over South Asia with an utterly incapable and shameless army, that can only claim some success when killing unarmed civilians.
 

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Why would the Pakjabis care when they even treat the resident Mohajirs as only Indians and not equal Pakistanis..lol....If Jinnah was alive today the Pakjabis would also call him an Indian stooge..
hasan nissar claims he was deliberately killed by pakis...he said how can ambulance of nations founder suddenly stop midway ?
 

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More details from this source: Geneva Camp - YouTube

Bangladesh became independent in 1971 after vicious civil war in which millions of lives were lost. During the Pakistani period, Bangladeshi people were persecuted and exploited in all aspects of life and politics. After the liberation of Bangladesh, a huge number of Pakistani citizens, most of who were against the Bangladeshi liberation war, remained in Bangladesh. In 1972 the Bangladesh government established the Geneva Refugee Camps (that complied with the Geneva Convention) in 116 locations, including Dhaka City, Khulna, Soiyadpur, Mymensingh, Rangpur, Bogura and Iswardi districts to house the refugees.

Mohammadpur Geneva Camp is one of the largest refugee camps in Dhaka City where 5000 people still live thirty-eight years after the event. To fulfill the needs of the camp dwellers an unofficial market has been established and there are shops selling a variety of items on the periphery of the camp. In total the number of shops in the camp exceeds 800. Readymade wear, fashion products, cosmetics, stationery, household products, crockery, movies, Pakistani food, tea, pan, cigarette and so on are widely available. In the small general market vegetables, fish, meat, rice are sold as well. Close to College Gate there are roadside shops that specialize in cars, providing garages and workshops.

Although all the shops provide the necessary good for living the people of the Geneva camp lead a miserable life, as they are detached from normal society and fear for their lives. When the camp was established each family was assigned 16 square feet to live in as a temporary measure. Now a third generation has been born into these conditions.

The children grow up in shocking conditions and face the risks of child labor, drugs and HIV/AIDS. They live in these small, overcrowded places and suffer a lot. They cook, they sleep and they do business from the same room. No minimum health and sanitation security is provided and they move around in narrow and dirty walkways that smell of garbage and human waste.

It is difficult to be a good citizen in these conditions. Only 10% of children go to primary school with only 2% having a chance to study in high school. Most children start life by doing hard work at a car workshop or at a jamdani sari design shop with a minimum salary 15-30 taka per day (approximately 40 to 50 US cents).

(The people of the Geneva Camp are divided into two groups. One group still wants to return to Pakistan and their organizations SPARC. The other group wishes to remain in Bangladesh and become citizens and their association is called The Association of Young Generation. Around 25% of people are members of SPARC while 75% support The Association of Young Generation.

Until 2003 the camp dwellers had no citizenship rights in Bangladesh despite the fact they were 2nd and 3rd generation born. In 2003 and 2008 the Supreme Court of Bangladesh gave Bangladeshi Citizenship and rights to these people who may now possess a national ID card and be listed in the national voter lists.)
 

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Well, I even asked my Bangladeshi friend that the current generation should not suffer for whatever their ancestors did. He shot back saying they are lucky they are at least alive in Bangladesh. He said that if Pakistan government did not care for them despite them being loyal to Pakistan, why should Bangladesh government care?
I have to agree with your friend over that. It must be added that even this new generation, wherever they may be, are more loyal to Pakis than to Bangladesh and/or India.
 

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Good riddance..:cool:

Else Pakistan might have genuinely developed.
Perhaps not. If Pakistan had developed, there would have been something to build a hope upon for the people, there would have been jobs, and something to lose in case of war. There would have been less Pakistanis readily available for Jihad and less Pakistanis inclined for war.

Right now, they have no hope, no future, no sense of direction - frustrated youth, who take solace in religion and are exploited by the Wahhabi financiers from Saudi.

If you think deeply, at the end of the day, all those who are dying are not the Arabs, but people of Asia, mainly South Asia, who all have a common ancestry.

This is one reason I tend to have a pro-Iran line whenever there is some Arab-Persian rivalry. Culturally, linguistically, genetically, they are closer to us anyways.
 

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Perhaps not. If Pakistan had developed, there would have been something to build a hope upon for the people, there would have been jobs, and something to lose in case of war. There would have been less Pakistanis readily available for Jihad and less Pakistanis inclined for war.

Right now, they have no hope, and future, no sense of direction - frustrated youth, who take solace in religion and are exploited by the Wahhabi financiers from Saudi.

If you think deeply, at the end of the day, all those who are dying are not the Arabs, but people of Asia, mainly South Asia, who all have a common ancestry.

This is one reason I tend to have a pro-Iran line whenever there is some Arab-Persian rivalry. Culturally, linguistically, genetically, they are closer to us anyways.
Sorry I dont share your optimism.....I believe Pakistan was a failed case right from the get go.

The one and only advantage of creation of Pakistan is that all the troublesome elements were lumped together and put in a separate country with no affliation of responsibility of India...a malignant tumor was cut away from the body of Bharat.
 

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Some of the Razaakars have slipped into Bihar, their erstwhile home!

They are an unique lot.

Na ghar ka, na ghat ka!

Despised by the East, Rejected by the West,
They stand as monuments to Jinnah's chicanery in undivided India
 
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Some of the Razaakars have slipped into Bihar, their erstwhile home!

They are an unique lot.

Na ghar ka, na ghat ka!
Actually no. This is a classic case of having your cake and eating it too. These bastards unleashed hell on the Direct action day, escaped their sorry arses to East Poakistan, where they indulged in looting, plunder and rape. When shafted by Mukti Bahini, they escaped to the country that they forsake a quarter of a century ago, because they were fully aware that there would be no repercussions for their crimes in the land of the "politically correct" sadomasochists.

Despite everything, they continue to be virulent Pakis and anti-India and yet are allowed to get away with their repugnant actions. Their very presence in India after all that has happened, is a living testimony to our failure on a daily basis.
 

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Actually no. This is a classic case of having your cake and eating it too. These bastards unleashed hell on the Direct action day, escaped their sorry arses to East Poakistan, where they indulged in looting, plunder and rape. When shafted by Mukti Bahini, they escaped to the country that they forsake a quarter of a century ago, because they were fully aware that there would be no repercussions for their crimes in the land of the "politically correct" sadomasochists.

Despite everything, they continue to be virulent Pakis and anti-India and yet are allowed to get away with their repugnant actions. Their very presence in India after all that has happened, is a living testimony to our failure on a daily basis.
They have also been shafted by the Assamese natives:

The Nellie massacre took place in Assam during a six-hour period in the morning of 18 February 1983. The massacre claimed the lives of 2,191 people (unofficial figures run at more than 5,000) from 14 villages—Alisingha, Khulapathar, Basundhari, Bugduba Beel, Bugduba Habi, Borjola, Butuni, Indurmari, Mati Parbat, Muladhari, Mati Parbat no. 8, Silbheta, Borburi and Nellie—of Nagaon district. Most of the victims were Bengali-speaking Muslims who had immigrated to the region illegally. A group of media personnel passing by the region were witness to the massacre.

The massacre was one of many violent incidents during the infamous 1983 elections conducted in the midst of the Assam Agitation. The elections were declared against the wishes of the Assam Agitation leaders who did not want an election till the electoral rolls were cleansed of alleged illegal immigrants who were collaborating with the Pakistani Army in 1971. These illegal immigrants allegedly supported the Pakistani Army and their supporters in Bangladesh to hunt down Mukti Bahini guerilla fighters, and never returned to Bangladesh because of fear of backlash from Mukti Bahini after the independence of Bangladesh.

These illegal immigrants are the most dangerous of the lot - they are the Biharis who are pro Pakistanis.
Read more: Nellie massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Despite everything, they continue to be virulent Pakis and anti-India and yet are allowed to get away with their repugnant actions. Their very presence in India after all that has happened, is a living testimony to our failure on a daily basis.
Quoted for the truth.

Sometimes we take everything be it secularism, democracy to the extreme, irrespective of the ground reality that it actually becomes counter productive.
 

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They have also been shafted by the Assamese natives
True. Yet they have gone from strength to strength in Assam and Bengal. So much so that parties like AUDF have emerged as kingmakers. They wrought destruction on this land not so long ago and yet their actions have been left unchecked, unpunished and ominously encouraged.

It seems that we Indians are destined to never learn from the past and keep getting shafted again and again.
 

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Pakistan eventually surrendered, and while the Indian Army was protecting the Pakistani PoWs, the Mukti-Bahini cadres publicly executed many of these Razakars.





More pictures:


Mukti-Bahini troops holding Sterling SMG supplied by India.


Mukti-Bahini troops holding FN-FAL Clone or SLR, and other rifles, supplied by India.
 

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Shunned by India
Despised by Bangladesh
The Razakaars stand as living monuments
Of ancient invaders' adultery in India.
 

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They are not shunned by India. They are apparently thriving in Assam.
True. Those that remained in BD, are living in Geneva Camps, while those that escaped to Assam, are politically vocal, and like to raise the Pakistani Flag once in a while, apart from creating mischief. India needs to give them the stick and confine them to similar Geneva Camps ASAP.
 

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