Be ready to sacrifice part of society for Independence/Respect of All

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India has to be ready to sacrifice a part of society for the good/Independence/respect of All

Islamic Fanaticism by involvements of Bangladesh+Pakistan, is funded by Saudi Arabia and supported by US/UK

sir, time has come when we all have to be ready to sacrifice a part of our people, for the good/Independence/respect of rest of society.

we had first half of 20th century for fighting for Independence, then 50s/60s/70s for building rural infrastructure, and then 80s to last decade for Industrialization. while now we have the time of wars related to Religion/Race/Identity/Culture/Belief/Language etc, and here we may need valuable experience of 10th to 18th century of Religious wars, the key experience in this regard. :ranger:

Islamic Fanaticism in India is rising by the direct involvements of Pakistan+Bangladesh, funded by Saudi Arabia, and 'fully' supported by US/UK, with their 'belief' that, "Organizing Internal Conflicts among the people, 'divide and rule', would finally help them establish 'Commonwealth Rule' over Indian Subcontinent as whole."

an effort is in place to 'unite'/'more people to people connectivity among people of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh to have further conspiracies like how we find Indian Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from India, with hindu type red stings on hands, who killed Mr Karkare, the Sanjhauta Express investigator too to give enough reasons for Hindu groups involvements in Mumbai attack. one person, Kasab, was caught otherwise Mumbai attack conspiracy was almost successful. and you won't have this type of luxury of getting someone like Azmal Kasab, 'alive' to prove that they were not qualified for representing 'Indian' Muzahidin, whether Hindu or Muslims..... and this type of people to people connectivity/uniting Pakistan+Bangladesh is a direct effort to fulfill the these intentions

i know many of Canada in Sikh Turbans who say they are Sikhs from Pakistan, while they are the Pakistani Muslims, in fact. we even know Indian Muzahidin came in light by the first bomb blasts during the IPL 2008, we never heard about this organization before. and now it has become the most serious terrorist organization working against India, the nation, at present. and the news we are getting confirms that Indian Muzahidin has very high rise in the North East and West Bengal region because of increased participants of Bangladeshi members. and hence having a control on the Bangladeshi infiltrators/ stopping them to come to India, in the key in this regard......

as a single man, i personally find this "Existential Threat" imposed on India, the nation, is 'totally' governed by the establishments of US/UK/Commonwealth, while the players of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh are just the toys. and hence we do need to have allies in this regard too. this is the "existential wars", the world is moving towards from now, and we need friends in this regard. and among them, we find our one of the closest Ally, Burma, who just had high level riots within, between Buddhist to Muslim from Bangladesh, on the other hand we have Iran+Iraq type Shia Majority countries, who may help us even wipe out Saudi Arabia as whole too, if required, even if we know that the main behind all these are the US/UK..... we may need a type of wars which may require, "leaving none taking breath in any certain region too", for the good/independence/respect, for the shake of our coming generation....

and we do expect to have help on this regard from the similar interested countries like Japan, China, Thailand, Vietnam etc type countries, as we do know that once we will move towards 'divide' on the name of Religion/Race/Culture/ Identity/Belief etc, we will get allies in this regard too, obviously. hence the black countries of Africa also may find themselves comfortable with us...

we have to be ready to sacrifice a part of us/ our people, for the good/respect/independence, of all. we are moving towards wars from now onward, and only war preparation we need in this regard. like, twice police, twice CRPF etc, twice expenditure on the Internal Security, with enough storage of WMDs may also be required in this regard. if Russia has over 10,000 nuclear weapons, not because they want to destroy the whole world 300-400 times, even 100-200 is enough to completely destroy this world, true. but they know the meaning of preparation. while im mainly concerned with an enough storage of chemical and biological weapons, which may help us 'clean up' few areas as whole, if required...

we are moving towards only wars form now onwards, for our people/freedom/independence/society/respect, to maintain dignity of our coming generation, and the "worthy cost" will be required in this regard

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KATHMANDU: When Prime Minister Narendra Modi addressed the SAARC summit this morning, his assessment of the group's accomplishments was frank. "As SAARC we have failed to move with the speed that our people expect and want. Nowhere in the world are collective efforts more urgent than in South Asia; and, nowhere else is it so modest," Mr Modi said.

Barely an hour later, his concerns proved warranted. Pakistan blocked key proposals backed by India and other countries to integrate energy grids and free up road and rail movement, seen as crucial for improving cross-border trade, which remains minimal between SAARC countries.
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It was decided that no agreements would be signed, ensuring the first SAARC summit in three years has turned out to be a whopping non-achiever.

Three agreements had been prepared ahead of the summit, two on improving road and rail connections and one on making it easier for countries in the power-starved region to trade in electricity. None will proceed because of Pakistan's objections.

In its 30 years, the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) has delivered negligible results for economic ties and development among its eight members - Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Despite a free trade pact since 2006, South Asian nations conduct only 5 per cent of their total trade with each other, and there are few transport and power links among them.

Experts agree that cooperation between New Delhi and Islamabad is key to the success of SAARC. This gathering comes just weeks after some of the worst cross-border violence in Kashmir - 20 civilians were killed last month. Mr Modi is holding meetings on the sidelines of the summit with all SAARC leaders except Mr Sharif.

The Pakistani Prime Minister has said the ball is in India's court because Delhi cancelled talks earlier this year after the Pakistani envoy consulted Kashmiri separatists ahead of a scheduled dialogue between the Foreign Secretaries of both countries.

//defenceforumindia.com/forum/foreign-relations/65371-saarc-tanks-no-agreements-signed-after-pakistans-objections.html

Countries can gang up even without SAARC. SAARC is not a platform for anti-India activities.
you wrong

Pakistan+Bangladesh, as a highly Muslim population is a threat/design for anti-India activities/sentiments, because of very high Islamic Fanatic population.

and we have to defend ourselves on the border, check any increase in people to people connectivity between our people with these two rogue neighbors of India :thumb:

we don't believe in SAARC, expect burden on our border, because of our geographical conditions :toilet:



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India needs to cultivate sane voices while taking action against violent elements. Again this is not as easy as it sounds but India will need to have access to Bangladesh.

Ultimately India will have to take action inside Bangladesh.
you are wrong again

we dont want any action in other countries, including Bangladesh, as we may defend our Indo-BD border with the resources available in our country, within :thumb:
:india:

we are well capable to destroy/eliminate any incoming threats to our people/society, and hence we need not to worry how this overly populated Muslim country deal with its internal problems, the Bangladesh. we simply aren't worried with others, except our international obligations :wave:

International Laws: as per the International laws, which favor to shoot down/destroy any incoming object/person coming towards the International border before reach at a certain distance, which doesn't stop after few warnings. as it may have destructive materials which may be harmful to the country, of concern. and once it reach a certain distance even after few warnings, the defending country is allowed to use whatever arms it has, to defend itself.

with that, we favor direct citizenship for the Bangladeshi and Pakistani people for US and its allies, if they want this in their country. but we dont want the shiits :wave:

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a long time we discussed, "if I would like to have neighbors of India then i would dream it to be located in South America, in the neighborhood of South American countries."

and whenever we have a look on the state of Pakistan and Bangladesh type overly populated Islamic Fanatic countries, and its consequences on India as whole, then i only remember the statement of a former Indian PM as below :facepalm:

"We can change history but not geography. We can change our friends but not our neighbors."
--Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee

youtube.com/watch?v=LQOghIetg3Q


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@santosh10, the Modi government is approaching each issue in a positive frame of mind. This is necessary as we live in a democracy where we have to bring people on-board. Our political system is different from China or Pakistan even.

India wants to focus on development and security at the same time while giving preference to development.

Mr Modi believes that fast developmnent of India is best recipe for increasing security of the State.

I think we cannot containerize India. It is not possible to seal India from neighboring States. If Bangladesh is in problem, that problem will spill over into India. It is necessary for India to have influence in Bangladesh, as well aid Bangladesh in its development.

India has to play big role in South Asia. There is no option.

We have to view China's developmental assistance positively (though there may be negative security aspects), as economic development of the region is net positive for India.

We cannot be obsessed with only security issues. This kind of policy simply does not work.
Mr, we can defend ourselves, and destroy/remove every threats to our society. there are too many options :india:
 
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Abbottabad -- The military town where bin Laden hid in plain sight

CNN) -- One week ago, the chief of Pakistan's Army Staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, told graduating cadets in the city of Abbottabad that the "back of terrorism" in Pakistan had been broken, thanks to the sacrifices of Pakistan's soldiers.

Kayani was speaking at the "passing out parade" at the prestigious Kakul military academy in Abbottabad, the West Point of Pakistan. At that very moment, the man who had dragged Pakistan into the "War on Terror" a decade earlier was, it transpires, just a mile or two away, living in apparent comfort behind the high walls of a very private compound. Osama bin Laden, who had declared war on Pakistan, had apparently been living for months in a city that had made its name as a military garrison.

Abbottabad, pronounced AHB-tah-bahd, is some 60 miles by winding mountainous roads north of Pakistan's capital. Surrounded by green hills, it is renowned for its trees and parks. It's a popular retirement place for officers in the Pakistani army, partly because of its military academy, but also because of its agreeable climate. During British rule, the Imperial Gazeteer of India described it as "picturesquely situated," 4,120 feet above sea level.

Abbottabad sits on the Karakoram Highway, an engineering marvel that links Pakistan with China through the Himalayas. Before much of Pakistan became off-limits to most foreign tourists, it was also a popular spot for those on their way to and from the Swat valley and the foothills of the Himalayas.

//edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.abbottabad/
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//defenceforumindia.com/forum/foreign-relations/65371-saarc-tanks-no-agreements-signed-after-pakistans-objections.html

SAARC Tanks: No Agreements Signed After Pakistan's Objections

Why Pakistan will have constipation if SAARC countries will be better connected?

The blot of South Asia a minion state of China suffering from poly-master abuse Pakistan has been deliberately making SAARC ineffectual and dysfunctional so that it can justify entry of China in the group.

Now it should be clear to all those lotus eater hallucinating Indians like Mani Shankar et al that stable Pakistan is not in our interest.
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/foreign-relations/65371-saarc-tanks-no-agreements-signed-after-pakistans-objections.html


"Uniting" Pakistan and Bangladesh will result in a thorough destruction of India

increased people to people connectivity with Pakistan+Bangladesh will Destabilize India

here, we do know how partition of India occurred in 1947, and how India always face increase in Islamic Terrorism from these 2 neighbours of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. then how do we get this type of news? over 1,000,000 deaths occurred due to Hindu-Muslim-Sikh riots, mainly because of aggressive Muslims based in Pakistani Punjab and Bangladesh regions, who are now separate countries as Pakistan and Bangladesh now....

we have news of growing activities of Indian Muzahidin in north east region due to increased Islamic fanaticism from Bangladesh, very frequent. and the way population of these two countries have been increased to 200million and 180million respectively, minorities of these two neighbours are almost gone, only Shia-Sunni-Ahmadi riots in Pakistan is the news now, while united Bengali Muslims against its minorities is also discussed in the thread as below..... then, how do we see this type of news?
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/internal-security/63875-bangladeshi-criminal-gangs-new-challenge-delhi-police-4.html
i never trust this Modi, who always look like either a duplicate man or a man with corrupted mind to work in behalf of rouge neighbours, who might have full support from US in this regard too. most probably a Bangladeshi spy, i think.....


Pakistani Secularism

yesterday i read a news of Ms Hina Rabbani Khan while talking about secularism of Pakistan and while giving reference of raid of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, i discussed few questions as below:-

1st: is Pakistan a country who would be informed by the US's marine for the above operation? they just made a stealthy raid for the hunt of Osama Bin Laden. why? and its a common sense for the whole world....

2nd: Pakistan's foreign minister talks about secularism about the country, Pakistan, while is there any country of world who is surprised if OBL is found near Pakistani Military Camp? do you think someone from rest of the world would be surprised on this type of news, why OBL was found enjoying luxury life in a military town of Pakistan?

3rd: and if its informer was sent on life imprisonment for spying of OBL by the Pakistani Judiciary, is it something unusual where OBL was regarded as a God's man, message of Islam, while he was the most wanted terrorist for rest of the world? its a quite usual news while reading about the Blasphemy law in Pakistan, to target minorities there....
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Pakistan

4th; minorities of Pakistan are almost gone, only Shia-Sunni-Ahmadi riots in Pakistan is in news now. on the other hand, population of Hindus in Bangladesh have been reduced from 30% in 1947 to below 10% at present, continuous attacks on the Buddhist+Hindus minorities there is also a news, very frequent.
while on the other hand, population of Hindus in India reduced from 88% in 1947 to below 80% at present, which does state about the "secularism" structure of India as whole, a 'non-religious' country....

5th: how many terrorist plots being planned in world, which aren't linked with Pakistan? i mean, is there any terrorist plots against any part of world, whether US or UK or even Xinjiang state of China, including India, which isn't linked with Pakistan? and here, are the people of world get surprised if we always find someone from Pakistan arrested for these plots?

6th; with these facts, only threats we find in India, for the way these two rogue neighbors have changed their way of practice. "Indian" Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from Pakistan, with Hindu type Red Stings on hands, is now the biggest challenge imposed on India, the nation. how to tackle this type of 'Indian' Muzahidin Hindus coming from Pakistan+Bangladesh? while growing activities of Indian Muzahidin in North East region, because of the Bangladeshi infiltrators there, is also very frequent...


from here, why is it wrong if we talk to defend India from these two rogue neighbors of India? how would we allow these Islamic fanatic people in India, who will only try to do the same in India, which they have done in Pakistan+Bangladesh? why would there be any reason for destruction of India, the nation, whether its secularism of whatever?
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On What Ground US/UK helping India's Enemies to Establish a Commonwealth Rule here?

here i think my posts as below may also have a place. discussing, why exactly US/UK think they would help enemies of India, the Saudi+Pakistan+Bangladesh, but we won't try to attack on them too?

why would they always dig our grave as "friends", and we have to remain their friends?


and Im among the Indians, who always sideline with Russia for the following reasons :tup:

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Russia's Multipolar World Vs US's World Government

Efforts to Establish a "BALANCE" in world

Further to the above discussion, today i was making a clear difference between my side with Russia, against the US's World Government, which wants to rule the world, but it doesn't share the "Equal Voting Rights" with those rest of the world including Indians, on whom the leaders of those 310million US's civilians want to 'Rule'......

the government of US, backed by EU, want to form that World Government which doesn't have "equal" voting rights with Indians in their parliamentary election, but they want to have every interference in India, to serve those US's civilians who have their leaders like Mr B.Obama......

and at the same time we have Russia on the other side, which favor Multi-Polar World, and support India and China both. we find Indian members making noise when Russia is going to sell its best Su35 aircraft to China, while the same type of noise we hear from Chinese members also when Russia not only sell its best arms to India, but it also comes with full technology transfer to India.........

and its all about dealing with two sides of politics of world. one about the US's World Government, which doesn't share "equal" voting rights in their general election by rest of the world like India, while the Russia on other side which favor 'equal' rights for Every Government on the world platform......

and one day i also reminded that, even if China and Vietnam have conflicts on oil search, then its not because Chinese communists are trying for their own pockets while Indians are trying for the democratic people of whole world. but whether China or Vietnam+India, both of these groups are trying to secure best stake in that area for good of their own people, who elected their leaders in these 3 countries to secure common interests of the people belonging to their countries.........

Neither US itself will share its Oil/Gas/Mineral resources with Indian Tax Payers, nor US's Tax Payers will share subsidy burden of Indian Middle Class, which provides hefty subsidy for the people below poverty line in India. and its equally foolish to think that US's Tax Payers would share any Infrastructure spending in India, to reduce its burden from the Indian Tax Payers. If a country is good, have better infrastructure/more resources etc, it will benefit only the people based in that certain country, whether India or US..... :ranger:

here, i also remember my one talk with few senior Russians in Sydney, when one senior once said that, "we would learn Chinese language, Mandarin, now." and i asked with surprise, "Chinese language?" and he said, "yes Chinese." and it again gave me a straight meaning from my Chinese friends from Malaysia+Singapore, that, "English is sign of our colonization..."

and yes, neither English is home language of India nor US Dollar is Indian currency, but if we may have Yuan as a world currency and Mandarin as a world language for the next 20 years, say, then it will definitely help us to maintain a "BALANCE" in this world, which is quite important :thumb:

=> [articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-05-14/news/39256081_1_language-course-mandarin-spoken-chinese]IIMs' tryst with Chinese: Mandarin emerges as popular course at B-schools - Economic Times
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According to the notice dated April 26, the group receives foreign funding and participates in "political activities" through carrying out projects aimed at "overcoming totalitarian stereotypes by influencing public opinion with awareness-raising activities, facilitating the establishment of the rule of law by informing citizens about constitutional norms, ensuring the priority of individual rights in state practices and public life by remembrance of terror victims in the past and defending the rights of citizens in the present, as well as countering violent, unlawful, totalitarian ways of ruling the state by organizing public events (rallies, exhibitions, etc.)."

[hrw.org/news/2014/08/29/russia-foreign-agents-law-hits-hundreds-ngos-updated-august-29-2014
the above statement of the article is fit with my experience too. those who want to interfere in India believe,

"if they may buy General Manager of a firm, then they have got the whole firm this way." :rofl:

"if you may buy those who have influence on the society, then you may control the whole society somehow/ someway." :tsk:

"to handle Fate of the people of a country, if you may buy all those people who own high positions/ have proper influence on the society then this way you have got a level of control on that certain country this way." :facepalm:

and hence, i have made my above post in this thread, with demanding, "only those can handle fate of a society/ country, who are elected by that certain society. hence, until Mr B.Obama ensures 'equal' voting rights for the common Indian citizens in the general election of USA, he can't interfere in the internal matters of India." :nono:

US's Gun Point Democracy

and this is what i discussed with my American and British friends both, "having 50%+ voting in UK/US parliament doesn't mean that you may interfere in those states of world like India where you don't share 'equal' voting right."

and then things become more serious when we find them having "Gun Point Democracy", to do whatever they want to do in other countries, just because they have 50%+ votes for their leaders in US's/UK's election, to do so in other parts of the world who don't have "equal" voting right for their civilians in American/British parliamentary election.

how democracy is discussed without "Freedom of Speech"? how this "Gun Point Democracy" is justified this way? :facepalm:
 

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This is a masterstroke. Pakistan risks being isolated in SAARC, plus this will be a propaganda coup for India.

Bangladeshi infiltration is now the biggest challenge imposed on India, on its people. here Pakistan is just a bluff in this regard, showing, "Pakistan is not Happy." this will only help ISI in its activities :ranger:

ISI funding insurgency in North East, says ex-ISI chief

Bangladesh is a hot destination for the ISI in its attempt to wage a full-fledged battle against India, reports Vicky Nanjappa.

Pakistan's former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Assad Durani has made a startling before the Pakistan Supreme Court. Durani told the court that the Pakistan spy agency had been meddling with India's affairs in the North East.

India has been claiming what the former ISI chief has stated since a very long time. India has also said that the operations in the North East, which have several instances of insurgencies, are all being funded by the ISI. The Harkat-ul-Jihadi in particular has been causing a great deal of trouble in both the North Eastern states. According to Durrani, the ISI had paid Rs 50 crore to former prime minister Khaleeda Zia during the 1991 elections.

The nexus between the ISI and the Directorate General of Forces Intelligence in Bangladesh is not new. The Indian intelligence had termed the DGFI as the cousin of the ISI which works with the Jamait-e-Islami, which used to be a political ally of the BNP government that Durrani claims to have funded. During the last ten years, according to Intelligence Bureau sources, nearly 9,000 trained jihadis from various countries like Pakistan and the Middle East were sent to Bangladesh from where they were to launch operations against India and other western countries.

[rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-isi-funding-insurgency-in-north-east-says-ex-isi-chief/20120320.htm]

ISI funding insurgency in North East, says ex-ISI chief - Rediff.com News
 

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I would like to mention that earlier there was no force along the Indo Nepal border. Now there is.

The SSB (Sashastra Seema Bal) under Ministry of Home Affairs have been assigned the duties of manning the Nepal and Bhutan borders.

It is not only to check smuggling and illegal activities, but also to ensure that terrorists from Nepal (it is conduit for ISI trained terrorists) to India
@DingDong

more people to people contact between Bangladesh+Pakistan with India, will help us read more news like as below.and these growing activities have a back from US+UK to an extent, i do see :ranger:

this effort to bring Bangladeshi Muslims closer to India to fuel these things here, while showing "Pakistan not Happy", does put Mr Nadendra Modi a person on doubt, a duplicate man as whole or a person with corrupted mind??? :thumb:

and we do know, Saudi Arabia is directly funding these activities in India

If India Attacks Pak, Indian Muslims Will Join Pak Army: Owaisi

SRINAGAR: Firebrand Indian politician Asadudin Owaisi has called upon Indian Muslims to join Pakistani forces in case India attacks the country, a poster making rounds on social media claims. The Hindi poster that has Owaisi's picture reads, "Hindus should not consider Indian Muslims separated from their fellow Muslims of Pakistan. If India dares to attack Pakistani, 250 million Indian Muslims will join Pakistan army to wage war against India."

Owaisi is the lone parliament member of his All India Majlis Itihadul Muslimeen(All India Council of the Union of Muslims), from Andhra Pradesh. AIMIM is a Muslim political partyin Hyderabad, India. It has retained Hyderabad Lok Sabha seat since 1984. In 2014 Telangana Legislative Assembly elections, AIMIM won seven seats. Till April 2014,AIMIM was not even a recognised state-level party by Election Commission of India(because AIMIM did not meet the requirement of securing 6% of the total valid votes polls in the last general election, or winning 9 Assembly seats).

Owaisi has declared he will contest on several seats in upcoming Mahrashtra state elections. Asaduddin Owaisi, 45, known for his provocative speeches, along with his brother Akbaruddin, has been harboring a dream since years to take their party to a national level. They are also planning to contest assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat and other states. the Muslim parliamentarian was part of the India's six-member "young parliamentarians" group that visited Australia to further improve Indo-Australia relations.

kashmirobserver.net/news/if-india-attacks-pak-indian-muslims-will-join-pak-army-owaisi
 
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and obviously, the call of Al Qaeda as below would simply help Bangladeshi Muslims, where growing activities of Indian Muzahidin is also seen nowdays :ranger:

Al-Qaeda chief's 'intifada' call in Bangladesh
2014-02-15

An audio tape purportedly from the Al-Qaeda has called on the Muslims in Bangladesh to wage a battle to protect Islam before claiming that the idea of the Bengali nation has not worked out. :ranger:

Its chief Ayman al-Zawahiri in the clip interprets the Bengali struggle for freedom from Pakistan in a way that is chillingly similar to the one offered by the Jamaat-e-Islami.

Again, the global terror network is on the same wavelength with the Islamist party, which is facing calls for a ban for 1971 atrocities, that the ongoing war crimes trial only aims to harass Islamic scholars
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The militant leader in the clip can be heard charging the government with killing 'thousands of people' during last year's crackdown on the violent rally by Hifazat-e Islam – in an echo of claims made by the Chittagong-based outfit along with the BNP and the Jamaat.

The recording with the call to arms has hurried the Hifazat, perceived to be bankrolled by the Jamaat, into denying any ties with the al-Qaeda.

Speaking in Arabic on the tape released on a website used for militant audios and videos, the Egyptian-born surgeon derides the Bangladesh government for being anti-Islam and secular. The terror outfit's outrage at the trial of the Jamaat-e-Islami leaders is also palpable.

The entire clip lasting 28 minutes and 58 seconds titled "Bangladesh: Massacre Behind a Wall of Silence" features message by al-Zawahiri, who appears only in a still image, along with other images, including the Hifazat rally.

A copy of the supposed al-Zawahiri recording is available with bdnews24.com.

There, he claims that "a massacre of Muslims is being carried out these days" and "the western media is colluding with the killers to belittle its significance and hide the facts".

"This is the bloodbath taking place in Bangladesh, without the Muslims paying least attention to it," the Egyptian-born eye surgeon, thought to be in hiding in Pakistan or Afghanistan, observes.

The first two minutes of the clip screen footage of last year's May 5 police action at a Hifazat-e Islam rally in Dhaka. Then speaks Zawahiri, hitting out at the Western media's alleged silence on 'how Muslims are massacred in Bangladesh'.

Letting rip at the creation of Bangladesh, he says it has not worked as a nation born more than 40 years ago 'to protect the independence, glory, honour and freedom of its people'.

The al-Qaeda chief's tirade appears to have been provoked by the war crimes trials.

Jamaat leader Abdul Quader Molla has already been hanged, drawing condolences in Pakistan's Parliament which said he was hanged to death because "he was loyal to Pakistan and supported Pakistan army during the 1971 war".

Several other Jamaat leaders face death and life sentences. In addition, many Jamaat leaders and activists are in jail on charges of involvement with violence last year.

Zawahiri in the clip says: "Bangladesh is the victim of a conspiracy in which the agents of India, the corrupt leadership of Pakistan Army, and treacherous power-hungry politicians of Bangladesh and Pakistan"¦ :ranger:

"However the real victim was the Muslim Ummah in the subcontinent generally, and in Bangladesh and Pakistan specifically.

"The crimes that are being committed in Bangladesh today against the core beliefs of Islam, the prophet of Islam (peace be upon him), and the Muslim Ummah are only the fruits of the rotten seeds sown by these criminals.

"Their purpose was not independence from Pakistan, stopping the aggression against the people of Bangladesh or getting rid of military rule in Pakistan.

Continues the 62-year old: "None of these was the real objective... The real purpose was weathering the Muslim Ummah in the subcontinent.

"It was to rip the Ummah apart into pieces, bleed it to death by getting it entangled in mutual strife, regional conflicts and wars.

"Above all, their purpose was to attack the real capital of this Ummah, and the secret of its strength, the Islamic faith," the man is heard saying in the audio tape.

"Those who allied with India against Pakistan by claiming that they sought to defend the honour and sanctities of Bengalis are the same people who are attacking the sanctities, beliefs, honour, lives and properties of Bengalis today.

"Bangladesh, which they claimed to have won from Pakistan so that it may get its freedom, is being turned into a subjugated surrogate of India."
The al-Qaeda boss then launches a passionate appeal.

"My Muslim brothers in Bangladesh, I invite you to confront this crusader onslaught against Islam, which is being orchestrated by the leading criminals in the subcontinent and the West against Islam, the prophet of Islam and the Islamic creed, so that they may turn you into slaves of a despotic and disbelieving system," he says.

The Jamaat, Hifazat and other ultra-right groups in Bangladesh and elsewhere over the past months and years also called for 'uprising' against the Awami League government and attacked it for upholding secularism, equating it with atheism.

Zawahiri does not threaten specific attacks but the hatred of the pro-independence government among the Islamists shows how dangerously it is living.
Describing Bangladesh as a 'huge prison', the audio tape says the honour and dignity of Muslims is at stake in the country.

Zawahiri, who is believed to have clandestinely visited Bangladesh many times, called on Bangladeshis "to gather around the true scholars of Islam, support them and protect them."

"I invite you to back them and support them and guard them. And I invite you to launch a massive public uprising in defence of Islam against the enemies of Islam," the Al Qaeda chief says in the audio.

"I invite the leading Islamic scholars [Ulamaye keram] of Bangladesh to fulfil the role that Islam has given them."

The al-Qaeda leader used the word 'intifada' in his message, which in Arabic literally means shaking-off, but is usually translated in English as uprising, resistance or rebellion.

"I invite you to lead the masses in a vast and inclusive proper uprising [intifada] whose tide does not recedes, nor its dynamism subsides, until the Shariah of Islam governs the land of Islam, instead of being governed over until it becomes the authority, instead of being subjected to 'authority', and until it leads the way, instead of being led."

//bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2014/02/15/al-qaeda-chief-s-intifada-call-in-bangladesh
 

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This SAARC meet again shows that Pakistan is the "Problem Child" of not just the region but the whole world.

When everyone wants to move towards cooperation and development these Terrorist Pakis are hell bent on going backwards and spoil everything.

till now we had news of Indian Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from Pakistan with Hindu type red stings on hands, with growing Indian Muzahidin on the north east region of India because of increased participation of Bangladeshi Infiltrators. while now we find Muslims of India too having the type of news as below :facepalm:


Indian jihadist 'kills 55 for ISIS, quits because no pay'

An Islamic State recruit from Greater Mumbai was intercepted in Turkey, and then interrogated and arrested by India's secret service. Suspected of killing up to 55 people, he allegedly left because they didn't pay enough, India's media reported.

READ MORE: ISIS attack on Kobani comes from Turkey – Kurds

India's Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS), National Investigation Agency (NIA) and Intelligence Bureau (IB) officials have all arrived in Istanbul to take Kalyan city native Areeb Majeed into custody, Mid-Day quoted a senior airport official as saying.

Following an eight-hour interrogation, authorities took the suspect into NIA custody. Majeed appeared in court on Saturday, where the judge decided that he will remain in NIA custody until December 8.

There are conflicting reports as to how Majeed got to the Islamic State's (IS, formerly ISIS or ISIL) camp in Iraq and what kind of attacks he was involved in.

"He is suspected to have killed around 55 people as part of ISIS and he returned because he was not paid by the terrorist group," a senior IB official told Mid-Day.

READ MORE: Syria: US-led strikes failed to weaken ISIS

Other media reports suggest the opposite. Citing other anonymous sources, the Hindustan Times said the IS allegedly gave Majeed $2,000 to cover treatment for injuries received during fighting in Iraq. If that is the truth, local authorities suspect that the Islamic State planned Majeed's homecoming to India for some purpose.

"During combat, he was shot in the chest while a second bullet grazed him. When a medical facility where he was being treated was destroyed in an air raid, he crossed over to Turkey," an unnamed central counter-terror officer said. Majeed then contacted his family to discuss his return home.

"We have reason to suspect what Majeed has told us so far. Not only was he given money by IS fighters, he was allowed to leave territory controlled by them. It is quite possible he may have contacted his father on their instructions. We need to verify and re-verify all his claims. That's why the NIA was allowed to register a case against him," the official said.

'How I joined ISIS'
The 23-year-old ended up fighting for the Islamic State after visiting "more than 20,000" jihadi websites while living in Kalyan, DNAIndia reported. The outlet suggested that after this wild jihad-surf the youngster became self-radicalized.

Majeed, along with three friends, decided to travel to Iraq to join the radical Islamist group.

"Majeed has told his interrogators the IS does all its recruitment online. Its spotters visit jihadi websites and contact possible candidates through social media. That was how he was spotted," the Hindustan Times said, quoting another officer.

One of the IS contacts paid for their travel, which was reportedly arranged under the cover of a pilgrimage tour to Iraq.

The four young men arrived in Baghdad at the end of May. They were instructed to separate from their tour group and take a taxi to Fallujah, which is close to the current IS stronghold in Mosul.

Another IS contact helped the recruits reach a camp, where they were brainwashed about the group's ideology, media reports quoted security officials as saying.

Afterwards, they were moved to an Islamic State training camp, where all four were taught how to use AK-47s and explosives.

While still quite confusing and sketchy, Majeed's story may soon have interesting developments, as his three other friends were also due to travel back to India in the next couple of days, according to DNAIndia.

//rt.com/news/210091-isis-india-recruit-quit-arrested/
 

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Growing economy brings growth in literacy, employment, awareness etc etc it gives strength to kick out these bas**** out of India.
its not 18th century that countries can be colonized, neither its 1944 that only US can use nuclear weapons. we have to many weapons in world which may even destroy this planet many times, and we all have to live on this earth, we all know this......

we have knowledge, people, resources, and experience the key, and these hurdles are nothing but it all bring further valuable experience, which will definitely help the next generation to have better preparation for their defence, for the society as whole :india:
 

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IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh

NEW DELHI: Even as National Investigation Agency (NIA) has linked the Bodh Gaya blasts to Assam, intelligence agencies have found that Indian Mujahideen (IM) may have grown strong footprints in the north-east and Bangladesh. In fact, agencies have credible information that IM played a significant role in providing relief to displaced Muslims in the June 2012 Bodo-Muslim riots in Assam. :ranger:

Sources said during the 2012 strife, IM operatives used the network of certain mosques to mobilize funds from across the Hindi heartland and certain other areas to Assam to help victims from the minority community.

"There are reports of them having developed contacts with some religious groups in Assam and their activity has been significant in areas such as Dhubri. They have also developed footprints in Sylhet region of Bangladesh and are suspected to have developed pockets of influence in Myanmar-Bangladesh border region through LeT," said an intelligence official. :ranger:

"The objective of participating in relief operations in Assam seemed to be aimed at creation of an IM constitution and radicalization of Muslim youth at the wrong end of justice in the state," he added.

Notably, NIA investigations have found that the Lotus brand clocks used in the Bodh Gaya blasts were bought from a shop in Assam. Investigations also point out that these clocks were bought about a year before the blasts. That was precisely the time that riots broke out in Assam and relief operations were underway.

Arrested IM operatives Syed Maqbool and Imran Khan had revealed to investigating agencies in October last year that Bodh Gaya was one of the targets of IM to avenge atrocities on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Though these developments point to an IM hand behind the July 7 blasts in Bodh Gaya, agencies say it could be a confluence of different forces including disaffected Rohingya Muslim groups which have been on the radar of groups such as LeT for recruitment.

Significantly, the Rakhine Buddhist-Rohingya Muslim confrontation of last year, which has been the trigger for a larger Buddhist-Muslim confrontation in several parts of Asia, had coincided with the Bodo-Muslim confrontation in lower Assam.

Intelligence agencies had then expressed fear that Rohingya refugees could add another insurgency to an already volatile mix of Assam. It was also said that the outflow of Rohingya refugees could lead to stronger contacts between Myanmar Muslims and regional Islamist militants. Such militants could recruit disaffected Rohingyas to their own cause.

"It is difficult to pinpoint any group at the moment as several forces have motive to harm Buddhists or their symbols. Though we have found that 13 clocks were bought from a shop in Assam, we cannot yet be sure if they were the same clocks used in the 13 bombs placed in the Bodh Gaya temple complex. We have also found evidence of some 50 Lotus clocks bought from another place. Why would a bomber buy exactly 13 clocks for 13 bombs? Why not more for contingency," asked an NIA officer.

//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IM-growing-stronger-in-northeast-Bangladesh/articleshow/21608922.cms

IM growing stronger in northeast, Bangladesh - The Times of India
 

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Crushing Sunni Fanaticism, may be of the similar fashion to the Rise of ISIS

with example of Burma's recent riots too

we have examples of Rise of ISIS and the recent riots of Burma, to get some of their key experience in regard to resisting Sunni Fanaticism. Burma is one of the closest friend of India, the largest foreign aid receipt of India too, and we know the things there which we may discuss later. while i would favor to start reading news of Rise of ISIS as below :thumb:

Iraq crisis: 'It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead'

On board Iraqi army helicopter delivering aid to the trapped Yazidis, Jonathan Krohn sees a hellish sight

Mount Sinjar stinks of death. The few Yazidis who have managed to escape its clutches can tell you why. "Dogs were eating the bodies of the dead," said Haji Khedev Haydev, 65, who ran through the lines of Islamic State jihadists surrounding it

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11024037/Iraq-crisis-It-is-death-valley.-Up-to-70-per-cent-of-them-are-dead.html

An estimated $100m per year has flowed from donors from the Gulf to fund extremist groups in Pakistan and spread sectarian ideology - a massive sum especially for a developing country such as Pakistan and one which has been increasingly successful in subverting the heterodox and tolerant Islamic tradition which has historically been prevalent in the subcontinent.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia as the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide"¦ for groups aligned with Al-Qaida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan".

Children in particular, often pliable candidates for suicide bombings, have been specifically recruited for indoctrination with those "between the ages of 8 to 12" and whose families are "suffering extreme financial difficulties" being the most favoured targets of recruitment by sectarian extremist groups.

Many analysts have warned that Pakistani Shias increasingly face "sectarian cleansing" from the country if violence against them continues to accelerate, a fate which would be a tragic end to a community which for most of the Pakistan's history has lived in communal harmony with majority Sunnis and others within Pakistan's once-inclusive ethnic and religious tapestry.

aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/201211269131968565.html

Shocking image defines conflict

US Secretary of State John Kerry's description of The Australian's front-page photo of an Australian boy holding the severed head of a decapitated Syrian soldier as shocking shows how powerfully the image has resonated around the world. :facepalm:
:tsk:

Everyone knows what an evil group the Islamic State really is.

But this photograph, of a father, an Australian citizen, encouraging his son to hold a human being's severed head in exultant triumph, distils the essence of this group.

It is a single image that tells you everything you need to know about the Islamic State.

youtube.com/watch?v=nrmwB0bwtYQ

Missing schoolgirls converted to Islam: Boko Haram
May 12, 2014

Boko Haram released a new video on Monday claiming to show the missing Nigerian schoolgirls, alleging the teenagers had converted to Islam and would not be released until all militant prisoners were freed. :coffee:

The group's leader, Abubakar Shekau, speaks on the video obtained by AFP for 17 minutes before showing what he said were the girls, in Muslim dress and praying in an undisclosed rural location.

Pentagon calls Islamic State threat 'beyond anything we've seen'

US Defense Secretary said on Thursday that Islamic State militants could possibly pose an even bigger threat to the United States than Al-Qaeda, and pledged efforts to weaken the group would continue.

Speaking at a press conference at the Pentagon, Hagel also said that potential airstrikes in Syria are on the table, and defended the unsuccessful attempt by American Special Forces to rescue murdered photojournalist James Foley and other Western hostages. :coffee:

"[Islamic State militants] are an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere else," he said, as quoted by Reuters.
 

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@santosh10, the Modi government is approaching each issue in a positive frame of mind. This is necessary as we live in a democracy where we have to bring people on-board. Our political system is different from China or Pakistan even.

India wants to focus on development and security at the same time while giving preference to development.

Mr Modi believes that fast developmnent of India is best recipe for increasing security of the State.

I think we cannot containerize India. It is not possible to seal India from neighboring States. If Bangladesh is in problem, that problem will spill over into India. It is necessary for India to have influence in Bangladesh, as well aid Bangladesh in its development.

India has to play big role in South Asia. There is no option.

We have to view China's developmental assistance positively (though there may be negative security aspects), as economic development of the region is net positive for India.

We cannot be obsessed with only security issues. This kind of policy simply does not work.

Falling on the Process of "Pigs Hunt", a Mandatory Option

Even if credibility of these analysis are always on question, we do know it as the mostly known source of military strength comparison :ranger:
globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
here we find Pakistan better ranked at 15th, while the Saudi Arabia just looks like a Pig among all. and as i said before, once we fall on the Religious divide in Asia, which may escalate further to Europe too, hopefully not. but if it ever happens, Saudis may take words/the promise, "even your God won't help survive from a Certain Pig Hunt, once you fall on the process, ongoing....."
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How is India's para-military figure of 2,288,407 is arrived?? This figure should be close to 1 million.

Wiping Out the First Axis of Evil

i just noticed, if we ever escalate our war on religion, and once Saudis comes on the direct target of "Pigs Hunt", to eliminate the origin/center of this Sunni Islamic religious activities, to check/prevent their funds they use to promote Sunni Fanaticism in different parts of world. we must first try to wipe out UAE too, at the same time. and here we see Dubai/UAE well within the rage of even Agni-1. just imagine that we have a war right now and we have wiped out Dubai by the next few hours as a start....... :ranger:
distancefromto.net/
im highly impressed with our one of the closest ally, Burma, for the way they tackled Bangladeshi Muslims on their ground recently, the highest foreign aid recipient of India itself. and the UAE, which was one of the 3 Diplomatic allies of Taliban till 2001 along with Saudis and Pakistan, and wiping out this one of the axis of evil may help Saudis get a warning on Pigs Hunt, while Riyadh itself fall at the distance of well with 2,500 km, Agni-2 :thumb:

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shocking part is that advance country (China) does not have state of the art, air defense guided missile system. Now they will get it from Russia.
@sgarg

Vietnam is one of the closest military ally of India in its oil search in that region. I dont see even Vietnam ever looking on US for help with its rivalry with China? :tsk:
:toilet:

as discussed in the post#5
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/internal-security/65544-world-military-strength-comparison.html#post977951

over 5.0mil+ military of Vietnam can well defend it from any border, while we may put upto 20mil+ military in service, if its needed for the people, the country, the society, Independence, for the sake of our coming generation :india:
 
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@santosh10, I am afraid you are on a wild goose chase. I am not sure what you are trying to prove here. I do not see any war with middle-east at all.

India maintains good relations with Muslim countries. The problem of terrorism will be dealt with primarily by internal security apparatus. Terrorism is not a reason for war.

The extreme situation where India sees significant direct hostilities will be a reason for outright war. Such a situation is very unlikely except in case of one country - Pakistan.

You must remember that India has lot of options in case of Pakistan. It is not that Pakistan will have a cakewalk here.

Wiping Out the Center of Islamic Terrorism

along with Pakistan, im mainly concerned with the terrorism import from Bangladesh, with keeping option to wipe out Saudi Arabi+UAE, both, as the very first step to destroy this Islamic Fanatic religion, discussing the root cause behind these two rouge neighbor of India.

why would they increase their population to export Islamic terrorism to other countries, while Saudis and UAE both have lost their existence, already? the very first step in this regard.

take the words, we guarantee you a complete clean up Middle East Sunni Fanaticism, we only want a "kick-start"

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@Santhosh10 dude your threads are informative and it seems you work hard to create threads !!
 
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the Greatest Challenge Imposed on India, the Nation

False ID holders coming to India, fueled and funded by its rogue neighbors, is the biggest challenge on India at present. these false Id holders having Indian IDs are now representing India in India and overseas, in mass numbers in fact. i even know many Pakistani Muslims in Sikh turbans living in Canada too.....

and Azmal Kasab with Hindu type red stings on his hands as below is the best example we have right now.....

with the fact that you won't get anyone alive like Kasab next time, who attacked on local Shivaji Station just to organized Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai, even if they were holding Taj/Obrai hotels. these false ID holders of Pakistan and Bangladesh needs to be tackled as the first step of foreign policy. a man was caught otherwise India might be facing Hindu-Muslim riots similar to early 90s, and Indian government agencies won't have luxury to get someone alive next time, its also true.......

[ndtv.com/news/images/story_page/Ajmal-kasab-295x200.jpg] [morningcable.com/media/k2/items/cache/1a26a40d0b9098c34302af403e36d494_L.jpg][currentaffairsonline.in/google/news_images/large/12091347960127aj.jpg]


=> @Ray
"Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, with Hindu Type Red Stings on hands like Azmal Kasab in the above picture, and then we find them having support in this regard in India itself, as per the news as below :facepalm:

The Secret Plot to Blame India

Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy

On May 21, 2009, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman from the 26/11 attack, was giving evidence in the court of Justice M.L. Tahaliyani at Mumbai's Arthur Road prison. Suddenly, he dropped a name. The person, he said, who had been their principal guide during the 60-hour operation from a control room in Karachi was Abu Jundal. No one in India had heard this name. Some were puzzled. Prosecution lawyer UjjwalNikam believed it was misinformation. And, as so often, the name Abu Jundal disappeared into a file.

Three years later, on June 21, 2012, Saudi Arabia bundled a wanted Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) operative, Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, 30, on a plane and sent him to New Delhi. Ansari had more than one alias; among them was Abu Jundal. When Kasab, from his Mumbai cell, heard that Abu Jundal had been deported by the Saudis and was a captive in India, he became, say his jailors, contemplative. The final pieces of a complex puzzle was coming together. Perhaps the most deceptive element in the exhaustive planning that had gone into the barbaric terrorist attack on Mumbai, conceived by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and implemented by LeT, was a poisonous sting in the tail. When the horror that took 166 lives was over, the ISI wanted to leave behind enough false trails to implicate Indians for its most spectacular offensive against India.

It was a plot in which Ansari was a key protagonist. Born in Gevrai village in Maharashtra's Beed district, he completed his matriculation and did an Industrial Training Institute course to become an electrician. He became an anti-India radical after the 2002 Gujarat riots and went into the shadows of terrorism, first joining the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), then the LeT.

Ansari came on the police radar for another plot against India, in transporting a shipment of 43 kg of RDX, 16 AK-47 assault rifles and 50 hand grenades to Aurangabad in 2006. This shipment, meant for a terror attack, was intercepted by the Maharashtra police. Under pressure, Ansari contacted LeT and fled to Pakistan. His name entered the public domain when the Indian Government handed over a list of 50 Most Wanted Fugitives to the Pakistani authorities in March 2007.

But Ansari was proving to be an invaluable asset for the LeT. A highly committed operative, he knew the layout of the land and directed terrorists during the attack on Mumbai on November 26, 2008. He was involved in plotting the blast at Pune's German Bakery on February 13, 2010, that killed 17 people. But still, India did not know of his role in the 26/11 attack. The breakthrough came in May 2010 when the Delhi Police intercepted a call from an India-based terrorist, Ajmal, who was in touch with his Pakistani handler. Ajmal had planned an attack on foreigners during the Commonwealth Games in Delhi that year. He referred to his handler as Abu Jundal. The agencies tracked Jundal down inside Pakistan. He was using the alias of Riyasat Ali and shuttled between LeT's headquarters in Muridke, near Lahore, and Karachi. Then they made a stunning discovery. Jundal, Riyasat Ali and Zabiuddin Ansari were the same person. Now they waited for their target to travel out of Pakistan.

In early 2011, Pakistan issued a passport to him, and sent him to Saudi Arabia to recruit potential jihadis from Indian labourers on behalf of LeT. In the oil-rich port of Dammam, Ansari ran a small taxi rental business, posing as Pakistani national Riyasat Ali. The US intelligence alerted the Saudis about Ansari's terrorist links; Riyadh put him under surveillance. Meanwhile, New Delhi provided the Arab kingdom with proof that Riyasat Ali was Zabiuddin Ansari, anLeT operative and originally an Indian citizen. DNA samples of his relatives were sent to the Saudi government even as the home ministry provided evidence of Ansari's involvement in the Aurangabad arms haul case. Islamabad, fearing that his deportation could explode their ploy of deniability, still maintained that he was a Pakistani citizen and wanted him back.

But the Saudis interrogated Ansari and discovered that he was indeed anLeT operative. They had to take a call. Should they stand by their long-time ally Pakistan and let Ansari remain in Dammam or stand by international law and hand him over to India? The Kingdom chose India.

At a safe house of the Delhi Police's Special Cell in the Capital's Lodhi colony, Ansari has been telling his interrogators details of the secret plot at the core of the deadly attack on Mumbai. The intent was to land a double sucker punch. The first blow would devastate Mumbai. The second blow would, with just enough 'evidence', promote conspiracy theories among a section of media, opinion makers and political leaders that Hindu militants were behind the carnage.

The conspiracy theorists didn't let Pakistan down. "There is more to it than meets the eye," former Maharashtra chief minister Abdul RehmanAntulay said outside the LokSabha on December 18, 2008, about the death of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief HemantKarkare. Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar had been ambushed and killed by AjmalKasab and his accomplice Ismail Khan on November 26, 2008. Karkare was probing the Malegaon blasts, which had resulted in the arrests of Hindu fringe elements such as Lt-Col Shrikant Prasad Purohit, SadhviPragya Thakur and Swami Aseemanand. Much of the Urdu press in India placed the blame for the attack on a diabolical Zionist-RSS nexus. Aziz Burney, group editor of leading Urdu newspaper RoznamaRashtriya Sahara blamed Hindu extremists. 'Is there any connection between the 26/11 attack and the Malegaon terror attack?' screamed a headline in the daily on November 29. 'This is a joint terror operation by SanghParivar and Mossad' said the Urdu Times of November 30, 2008. On December 5, RoznamaRashtriya Sahara ran another story: 'Who do you believe, Kasab the terrorist, or Karkare the martyr?' The paper hinted that the 26/11 attack was the work of Hindu fundamentalists and an elaborate plot to silence Karkare. 'Hindu terrorists are behind Mumbai attacks' said the AkhbareMashriq on December 6, 2008. In September 2009, a retired Maharashtra inspector-general of police, S.M. Mushrif, in his book Who Killed Karkare?, blamed the Intelligence Bureau and Hindu extremists for 26/11. :pakistan:

The conspiracy theory was also enthusiastically bought by politicians who wanted to mine the Muslim vote. On December 6, 2010, senior Congress leader and former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Digvijaya Singh released Burney's book 26/11-RSS kiSaazish, which accused the RSS of planning and executing the 26/11 attack. Five days later, Singh claimed that Karkare had rung him up hours before he was gunned down and complained about threats and pressure from radical Hindu groups.
:tsk:

Ansari's confessions have further unravelled the secret Pakistani plot. He told interrogators of his role in teaching the 26/11 attackers Hindi. He would give them Hindi magazines and conduct conversations with them to sharpen their language skills before they left Karachi. He taught the attackers to blend into India-greet people with a proper 'namaste', maintain a low profile and be polite to women. There were other aspects to this smokescreen-the terrorists were made to wear sacred red threads bought for Rs.20 each by LeT scout David Coleman Headley from Mumbai's Siddhivinayak temple. All 10 terrorists carried fake identity cards of Arunodaya College, located in Hyderabad. They also took Hindu names. Ajmal Kasab became Sameer Choudhary and Ismail Khan was Naraish Verma. An LeT operative pretended to be 'Kharak Singh from India' and purchased Internet calling services from a US-based firm for $250 (Rupees10,000). The terrorists were told to communicate with their Karachi-based handlers using phones with Indian SIM cards.

The LeT, according to Ansari, monitored the attack from a specially created military-style command and control centre in Karachi, which was visited by LeT leaders and ISI officials. The control room had multiple television sets tuned into Indian TV channels, satellite telephones and computers. The handlers-Sajid Mir, Abu Al Qama, Abu Qahafa and Muzzammil-maintained constant communication with the 10 terrorists. Ansari tutored two of the LeT terrorists who had stormed into Nariman House on what to tell the Indian media in Hindi. He asked them to impersonate disgruntled Muslim youth. While doing this, he used a Hindi word prashaasan (administration). Indian intelligence agencies who tapped into the conversation were intrigued by the use of a Hindi word by a Pakistani controller.

Actually, Pakistan's web of deceit had begun imploding with the arrest of Headley, the LeT scout, by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation in June 2010. He told his Indian interrogators that the Pakistan Army and ISI were deeply involved in the 26/11 attack. He was in touch with two serving ISI officers, Major Iqbal and Major Samir Ali. Headley also made the chilling revelation that every senior LeT leader was "handled" by an ISI operative.

Ansari's interrogation brings fresh embarrassment for Pakistan. He has revealed the presence of Pakistan's ISI in the control room that the let set up to monitor and direct the attack. Ansari also clarified that the LeT has been unaffected by the arrest and ongoing trial of masterminds Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and Zarar Shah at an anti-terrorist court in Rawalpindi's Adiala Jail. The organisation is still plotting fresh attacks against India. The LeT is widely believed to be a proxy arm of the Pakistan Army. Its battle against India spilled out from Jammu and Kashmir to the Indian mainland. It was designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" by the US in 2001 but the Americans saw it as an international threat only after the 26/11 attack. In April this year, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced a $10 million (Rupees50 crore) bounty for information leading to the arrest and capture of LeT supremo Hafiz Saeed.

What rankles Pakistan is that Ansari was arrested and deported by its closest ally, Saudi Arabia. The kingdom wields almost undiminished power over Pakistan's army and political establishment. Through the deportation of Ansari, it has indicated that it will no longer provide protection for Pakistan's terrorists. Another suspected terrorist, Fasih Mehmood of the Indian Mujahideen, has been detained by Saudi Arabia for his role in the twin blasts outside Bangalore's Chinnaswamy stadium on April 17, 2010. He faces imminent deportation to India.

Now that the conspiracy has been exposed, some of its original theorists have backtracked. Digvijaya Singh says he had already clarified about his post-26/11 comments. "There is nothing more to say. I am happy that Home Minister P. Chidambaram has upped the ante on the terror issue and has pressed Pakistan to admit facts relating to Jundal having trained terrorists who attacked Mumbai," he told India Today. Antulay called his November 27 statement "a genuine mistake". "Multiple theories were floating in the aftermath of the attack, especially the one revolving around the death of Karkare," he said.

Antulay admitted, however, that the Hindu terror angle had momentarily deflected the nation's attention from the LeT. Mushrif now refuses to comment because the 26/11 case is subjudice but says he never questioned Pakistan's role in the attack. "If someone wants to comment on this issue he should approach the court and seek a reinvestigation," he said. Burney's newspaper ran a front-page apology on January 29, 2010. Burney himself is, however, unapologetic and says many questions on 26/11 remain unanswered. Film producer-director Mahesh Bhatt says there is no denying Pakistan's involvement but refuses to believe the theories being floated by Indian investigators now and calls for a debate. "After the 9/11 attack, people in the US raised questions on the identity of the attackers. Nobody was apologetic about their views," he says.

Kavita Karkare, the widow of Hemant, believes recent developments have vindicated her stand that the attack was not an inside job. "I have been saying since the beginning that no Hindus are involved in it. Many people floated stories for political reasons. They fell flat," she says.

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Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik.

Pakistan, though, remains unapologetic even as it tries to distance itself from its Indian collaborator. On June 27, just a week after Ansari's arrival in India, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik hurriedly called for a press conference. "Now things are getting clarified," Malik said. "Who knows if there was a sting operation by somebody from India?" Malik, while defending his army and the ISI, was silent on how Ansari, an Indian citizen, managed to get a Pakistani passport and a National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. In the run-up to the July 4-5 foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan in New Delhi, an anonymous source in the Pakistan foreign office told the media that 40 Indians were involved in the Mumbai attack.

Clearly, one Ansari has not dampened the spirit of the world's most dangerous benefactor of jihad. Wait for the next round of conspiracy theories, written and sold by Islamabad.

- With Shantanu Guha Ray, Kiran Tare, Bhavna Vij-Aurora and Mohammad Waqa

[//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/abu-jundal-arrest-kasab-mumbai-terror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html]Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today]
 
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"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says SubrotoChowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.

"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.

"Our community is being persecuted."
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[bbc.com/news/world-asia-21712655]BBC News - Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence]
a similar news we have as below too :facepalm:

[youtube.com/watch?v=LQOghIetg3Q]
 

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Actually 26/11 was planned both in Pakistan and India to discredit RSS it was planned to make it look like it was an Indian affair done by " saffron terrorist" and permanently ban RSS . The goal was when all the fidayeen are killed they could put the blame on saffron " Hindu " terrorists , but as luck would have it Ajmal amir kasab got caught live and spilled the beans plus the voip intercepts proved it was a pakistani affair.



All those who are equating Islamic extremism with Nazism ,Socialism,Fascism,Communism don't know that jihad is a 1400 year old concept and ideology and it is not going to be eliminated that easily. Be prepared for centuries of bloodshed. Jihadis are the best wet work assets any country can have and among the finest psy ops agents in the history of mankind . That is why in a battle between Indian RAW and pakistani ISI , ISI will win hands down until RAW develops covert killing assets like these fanatic muslims.
One of the best ways to neutralize jihadis is to make them fight against other muslim armies , americans know it . What pakistani army can do in Pashtun badlands not even american conventional army can do.
Have any of you noticed why muslim armies are better performers than other non muslim armies against jihadis.
eq Syria, Algeria,Iran , Libya , Afghanistan,Uzbekistan and Pakistan ( to some extent).
 

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No, we shouldn't support Xingjiang separatism. Separatism in Xingjiang is fueled by an Islamic separate state ideology, which has the potential to turn radical. Groups from Pakistan have sent feelers to Xingjiang separatists. India's best bet is to have nothing to do with Xingjiang, let Paki-Islamic groups run their course in Xingjiang, and in doing that, let China feel the bite of having supported Pakistan, much in the same way Pakistan is feeling the bite of terrorist groups it supported.

Pakistan and Bangladesh "as a State" Vs a Source of Export of Islamic Fanaticism

Pakistan always stands between two aspects, first as a State for its own people only, and the second and the most powerful aspect is the religion, fighting for Islam in world. similarly we always find Bangladesh start exporting Islamic Fanatic people to promote Islam. a difference between China, which reduce population, and Pakistan+Bangladesh, which have increased their population from 34million and 36million in 1947 respectively, to over 180million and 170million respectively at present.....

and then even a friendly country like China struggle with his friends, Pakistan+Bangladesh. whether they would speak to a 'state' of Pakistan, or would be worried with a country which has become a center of export of Islamic terrorism. and the consequences China facing on its bordering state of Xinjiang.....

similar things we find about US and UK too, whenever they keep any sympathy for the immigrants of Pakistan+Bangladesh, these communities suddenly become a source of increase of Muslim population in Britain, heavily dependent on Social Security because of big families this way, along with increase in Islamic Fanaticism in UK too this way....
Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced

bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM%20-poverty-report.pdf
and this is how the Western countries struggle with immigrants of India, China as compare to Pakistan+Bangladesh. your support for Pakistan+Bangladesh suddenly brings you on the side of supporting rise of Islamic Fanaticism within UK/US. while Indian-Chinese with low population but are rising because of higher competency as compare to the locals in western nations.....
(here, if i say that population of Pakistani+Bangladeshi Muslims combined, would be higher than the population of Indians+Chinese combined in Britain/UK, people here would laugh but its a truth on the ground level, check. china and India, the two largest population countries.....)

=> to clear this topic more, have you ever heard India as a center of exporting Hindu Terrorism to China, while it share such a long border with China? i hope none in world might have made this joke before, even if India and China have fought wars in past, and are open rivals. neither you would have heard that Russia exporting Orthodox Christian terrorism to China, even if they too have fought wars with each others in 50s and 60s. but whenever you hear any bomb blast in Xinjiang state of China, you would find the source of its support came from the terror groups based in Pakistan. even if Pakistan is one of the closest ally of China, one of China's best friend "as a state of Pakistan", sharing very small border with China with this state only :facepalm:

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region

XUAR (Xinxiang Uighur Autonomous Region), or East Turkistan, is a territory in western China that accounts for one-sixth of China's land and is home to about twenty million people from thirteen major ethnic groups, the largest of which (more than eight million) is the Uighurs [PRON: WEE-gurs], a predominantly Muslim community with ties to Central Asia. The Uyghur American Association (UAA) says that East Turkistan is a part of Central Asia, not of China. Some Uighurs call China's presence in Xinjiang a form of imperialism, and there have been movements for independence since the1990s through separatist groups like the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), inflamed in part by large migrations of Han Chinese to the region.

In February 2012, at least a dozen people died after being attacked on the street by Muslims armed with knives near Kashgar, the western part of Xinxiang located near China's border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. After the Chinese government said the men involved had links to terrorists in Pakistan, a Chinese woman was also killed in Pakistan in what was considered a retaliatory attack. China claims the rioters were trained in Pakistan and has asked Pakistan to take "credible measures" to safeguard its citizens. XUAR shares borders with five Muslim countries--Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan--which seems to be a Chinese concern. The China-Pakistan relationship in particular has been strained by the recent killings, and questions about China's traditional friendship with Pakistan are rising.

Terrorism and Counterterrorism

During the 1990s, Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang began frequent attacks against the Chinese government. The most famous of these groups was the ETIM, labeled as a terrorist organization by China, the United States, and the UN Security Council. China claims the group has links to al-Qaeda and says that they were trained in jihadi terror camps in Pakistan to launch attacks in Urumqi. :tsk: Reports say Pakistani officials have also admitted that the militants in western China have ties to the Pakistani Taliban and other militants in northwestern Pakistani regions along the Afghan border. Pakistan, a close ally, has assured China of full support to contain terrorism in China. Concern about Uighur terrorism flared in August 2008--just days before the Beijing Olympics--when two men attacked a military police unit (NYT) in Xinjiang, killing sixteen.

The Chinese government has taken steps to combat both separatists and terrorists in its western province and monitors religious activity in the region to keep religious leaders from spreading separatist views. Since September 11, 2001, China has raised international awareness of Uighur-related terrorism and linked its actions to the Bush administration's so-called war on terror.

But many experts say China exaggerates the danger posed by Uighur terrorists. While China has accused the Uighurs of plotting thousands of attacks, Andrew J. Nathan, a China expert at Columbia University, says, "You have to be very suspicious of those numbers."

Some experts, including Bequelin, say China's anti-separatist campaign provokes resentment, which can lead to more terrorism. But others say China's counterterrorism measures have been somewhat successful. A review of U.S. State Department documents shows a decrease in Uighur-related terrorism since the end of the 1990s. ETIM, classified as a terrorist organization during the Bush administration, is not listed as Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) anymore in the list updated in January 2012.

A 2010 report from the Congressional Research Service examines U.S.-China cooperation on counterterrorism, noting that tensions remain over handling Uighurs. The United States refused to hand over five Uighurs who had been captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in 2001, despite Chinese calls to do so. After their release from Guantanamo Bay in May 2006, the Uighurs were instead transferred to Albania. In June 2009, four Uighurs who had been detained at Guantanamo were resettled in Bermuda.

Thirteen other Uighur detainees, said to be resettled in Palau, have not yet been resettled or returned to China. Though a U.S. district court ordered their release, the ruling was overturned by a U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled that the district court "did not have the power to override immigration laws and force the executive branch to release foreigners into the United States." The issue is further complicated as the Congress passed legislation to prevent the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo to the United States.

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations
 

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