BBC Lies and Denials - A Repository of Propaganda and fairytales

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  1. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Fake News: The BBC’s Uses “Old 2014 Video Footage” in 2016 Madaya, Syria Report

    The following is the text of a complaint filed with the BBC.

    Submitted via BBC Complaints webform

    Dear Sir / Madam

    Syrian government ‘to let aid into besieged Madaya’ – BBC News, 7 January 2016
    As evidenced by the copy below [1], at 50 seconds in the original version of the above BBC report a young man is shown passionately addressing cameras as Jim Muir’s narration states:

    “Back in October when the last food got in things were already bad enough.”

    However the scenes of the young man date from at least July 2014, when the You Tube video below was uploaded. Further, the title of this video claims that the scenes were shot in Yarmouk refugee camp, not Madaya.

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    Screengrab showing date of upload to You Tube of scenes featuring young man

    I note that some scenes, including those of the young man, have been removed from the version of the report which is now available on the BBC website.

    Please can you explain how the scenes of the young man came to accompany narration describing the situation in Madaya in October 2015 and why the subsequent re-editing of the report has not been acknowledged on the BBC website.

    Yours faithfully

    Robert Stuart

    https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

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    [1] A copy of the original report is also saved here.

    The original source of this article is Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
    Copyright © Robert Stuart, Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children', 2016
     
  2. Kshatriya87

    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Vow. I knew western media was corrupted but racist too and at this level? I did not expect. Thanks for the thread @sorcerer

    @pmaitra can we merge your thread about exposing western media in Syria with this one? Or is this just for BBC?
     
  3. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Well, I think I'll ask @sorcerer as to what to do. Once merged, it is not easy to unmerge threads.
     
  4. sorcerer

    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    @pmaitra..
    Nooooo...lets not dilute the awesomeness of BBC by merging it with other thread.
    BBC should have its rightful shitty place.
    Let the world know the assomness of the presstitute Journos from BBC.
     
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  6. pmaitra

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    BBC Quietly Owns Up to Blatant Propaganda Lies

    Author: Craig Murray
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    Nine months after a massive propaganda campaign based on outright lies, the BBC quietly sneaked out an admission on its website tucked away in “corrections and complaints”. As the BBC went all out to galvanise support for bombing Syria, the meme was pumped out relentlessly that opponents of bombing Syria were evil and violent misogynist thugs, bent on the physical intimidation of MPs. Leading the claims was Stella Creasy MP.

    9 months after the propaganda had its effect – run on every news bulletin of every single BBC platform – the BBC published this correction, carried on zero news bulletins of any BBC platform.

    Two listeners complained that the programme had inaccurately reported that a peaceful vigil in Walthamstow, in protest against the decision to bomb targets in Syria, had targeted the home of the local MP, Stella Creasy, and had been part of a pattern of intimidation towards Labour MPs who had supported the decision. The claim that the demonstration had targeted Ms Creasy’s home, and the implication that it was intimidatory in nature, originated from a single Facebook posting which later proved to be misleading (the demonstration’s destination was Ms Creasy’s constituency office, which was unoccupied at the time, not her home, and it was peaceful).

    The BBC response goes on further and get increasingly mealy-mouthed, the essence of the excuses being “the other media were all doing it and we just joined in.” They also say they did eventually report – across a much more limited spread of news platforms – a more accurate version of events. But they then go on to admit that, even after this, Nick Robinson went on to repeat all the original lies in an aggressive high profile headline news interview with John McDonnell.

    Former President of Oxford University Conservatives, Nick Robinson has form as a liar. The new documentaryLondon Calling, forensically examining the appalling BBC bias during the Scottish referendum campaign, calls Robinson out as a liar in claiming on BBC News that Alex Salmond had failed to answer Robinson’s question, where the documentary has the footage of Salmond answering Robinson in great detail. Robinson’s replacement, Laura Kuenssberg, has of course continued the theme of tendentious reporting of fabricated violent intimidation by the left wing.

    That the BBC took 18 months to admit to its lies is astonishing, because the information was immediately available, and indeed reported by me at the time. This article includes footage of the peace vigil outside Ms Creasy’s office which led to the BBC story – a vigil of some very nice people led, I kid you not, by the local vicar. In a delightfully circular argument, Ms Creasy complained that my article pointing out that her allegations of intimidation were false, itself was “offensive.”

    UPDATE It has been pointed out to me that Stella Creasy did tell the Guardian the report was false that the peaceful demonstration had gone past her house. I apologise (infinitely faster than the BBC) for missing out that info, which I had not come across.

    As for the BBC, remember whatever lies they are putting out today are likely to be very quietly disowned about next July.

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    Source: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/09/bbc-quietly-owns-blatant-propaganda-lies/
     
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  7. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    They only owe their mistakes and lies it people affected are their own and there is good deal in doing so.
    They don't even retract on last page if it has to with Indians.
     
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  8. AbhinavTheBrahmin

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    al jazeera too See THis written By Shahi Tharoors of congress son
    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/3/modi-israel-relations.html
    by Kanishk Tharoor @kanishktharoor
    At the 2009 Aero India trade show held in Bangalore, the Israeli arms company Rafael screened a Bollywood-themed music video. It features an Israeli man in a leather jacket pirouetting with a woman dressed in gauzy Indian clothes. “I promise to defend you,” he sings, “fulfill your expectations. Shield you and support you, meet my obligations.” Instead of Bollywood’s more typical trees, the couple dances around missiles garlanded with flowers. Pictures of Hindu deities look on from the walls. The woman representing India leans into the man with her hands pressed against her chest. “Together, forever,” she croons, “I will hold you in my heart.” At its end, the video cuts to black with the message: “Rafael, your partner for indigenous air systems.”

    The tongue-in-cheek video underscored serious business. Rafael won a $1 billion contract that year to provide India with surface-to-air missile systems, and along with other Israeli companies it has supplied New Delhi with an estimated $10 billion in military gear over the last decade, according to the Economic Times. Israel now ranks second only to Russia as the biggest supplier of military equipment to India. In keeping with the metaphor of the Rafael video, outgoing Israeli ambassador Alon Ushpiz last June hailed his country’s relationship with India as one in which “two intimate partners who trust each other start thinking of challenges together and solutions together and what follows together.”

    There was no such coziness two decades ago, when India refused even to keep an embassy in Israel. But where protests and public denunciations of Israeli excesses were once routine, today many commentators see India’s traditional support for Palestinians as anachronistic and inimical to the national interest.

    India backed a call for a United Nations Human Rights Council investigation into Israel’s ongoing onslaught in Gaza last week (the United States was the only country to oppose the resolution). But that was a largely symbolic vote. At home, the newly elected government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) blocked parliamentary votes to condemn Israeli actions.

    As Sadanand Dhume, a fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, argued in the Wall Street Journal, “New Delhi appears ready to suggest publicly what many officials already acknowledge privately: A burgeoning strategic partnership with Israel matters more to India than reflexive solidarity with the Palestinian cause."

    Until the end of the Cold War, India had maintained consistent support for Palestinians. Mahatma Gandhi had poured scorn on the idea of a Jewish state in the Middle East. “Surely it would be a crime against humanity,” he wrote in 1938, “to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.” India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, voted against Israel joining the United Nations in 1949. And the Nehruvian principle of solidarity with anti-colonial causes guided Indian foreign policy for much of the 20th century. In 1974, India became the first non-Arab state to recognize the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as the official representative of Palestinians. It treated Israel with much the same diplomatic disdain it reserved for apartheid South Africa.

    Critics of India’s traditional Israel policy dismiss it as a cynical bid to court India’s large Muslim vote, but many officials saw an echo of their own worldview in the struggle of a secular and multi-religious PLO against an Israeli state defined by religion. Some even saw that as an echo of India’s own confrontations with Pakistan. Both Israel and Pakistan were born after World War II with religious identity as their central organizing principle, as a result of partition policies adopted by the departing British colonial authorities.

    It’s a parallel not lost on Pakistani leaders. Former military dictator Gen. Zia ul-Haq claimed in 1981 that “Pakistan is like Israel, an ideological state. Take out the Judaism from Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take Islam out of Pakistan and make it a secular state; it would collapse.” In 2012, another former military dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, urged the establishment of better ties with Israel.

    India’s foreign policy shift on Israel began with the international impact of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Non-alignment and anti-colonial solidarity seemed moth-eaten in a world of unrivaled American power and triumphant capitalism. India pivoted, aligning itself more closely with the United States. It also began to strengthen ties with Israel, with both countries exchanging ambassadors in 1992.

    India’s engagement with Israel has grown substantially in the last two decades on military, scientific, commercial and agricultural matters. The affinity has been less ideological than pragmatic, each side understanding the other’s needs. Israel remains uncomfortable about India’s close ties with Iran, just as India looks warily at Israel’s relationship with China. Neither side allows their bilateral relationship to be imperiled by India’s rhetorical condemnation of Israeli actions — dismissed by one Israeli journalist as India’s “periodic lip service to the Palestinian plight.”

    Material benefits are not the only reason for India’s foreign policy establishment building friendly relations with Israel. There’s also the feeling that New Delhi has been poorly compensated for supporting Palestine. It may be home to the world’s second largest Muslim population, but India has been consistently blocked from involvement in the Organization of the Islamic Conference. It is also disappointed by what it sees as the Arab world’s simplistic position on the thorny issue of Kashmir. “India has received no worthwhile backing from the Arab countries in the resolution of problems it faces in its neighborhood, especially Kashmir,” wrote Harsh V. Pant, a scholar of international relations at King’s College London. “There have been no serious attempts by the Arab world to put pressure on Pakistan to reign in the cross-border insurgency in Kashmir.”

    India’s Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj insisted in July that “there is absolutely no change in India’s policy towards Palestine, which is that we fully support the Palestinian cause while maintaining good relations with Israel.” That might sound like fence-sitting, but it’s a policy shared by all Indian governments of the past 20 years.

    Though India’s realpolitik shift is not the work of a particular party or faction, India’s resurgent right-wing is far more ideologically sympathetic to Israel. Prime Minister Modi, then-chief minister of Gujarat with a reputation as an anti-Muslim firebrand, visited Israel in 2006. The Indian conversation about Israel and Palestine has become tinged by India’s own politics of religion and identity. India’s defenders of Israel see both nations engaged in a common conflict against Islamist extremism, placing Hamas in a continuum that runs all the way to South Asia.

    According to the conservative political writer Swapan Dasgupta, “Israel has far more friends in India than TV anchors and left-leaning policy correspondents realize.” The same Internet army of right-wing Indians that supported Modi’s election has mobilized in support of Israel. The Twitter hashtag “#IndiaWithIsrael” trended across the country, galvanizing real-life rallies in support of Israel’s campaign in Gaza. Chetan Bhagat, an author who sells millions of books and is widely seen as the voice of the youthful middle-class, spoke out in favor of Israel. “What is happening to Gaza isn't fair,” he tweeted, “but sadly that is the only way sometimes terrorist organizations and their supporters learn to behave.”

    Israeli embassy spokesman Ohad Horsandi emphasized the shared experience of terrorism. “Israel, India and other like minded countries,” he told Indian media, “are facing terror threats from organizations with similar radical ideology such as Al-Qaeda, ISIS, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based militant outfit accused of committing the 2008 Mumbai attacks and other atrocities in India] and Hamas. These organizations are committed to kill, kidnap and terrorize civilians and should be treated as terrorist organizations.”

    Public opinion in India remains divided, however, and Indians of all stripes have expressed horror at the Israeli siege of Gaza. But the extent of public support in India for Israel’s current offensive would have been unimaginable a decade ago.

    Where once the anti-colonial rhetoric of Gandhi and Nehru might have guided Indian affinities, in today’s enthusiasm for the “war on terror” we see traces of another 20th century Indian ideologue.

    Vinayak Damodar Savarkar was at odds with the secular pluralism of India’s mainstream independence struggle. His book, Hindutva, provided the theoretical underpinning of the Hindu nationalist tradition that eventually birthed the BJP.

    Inspired by Zionism, Savarkar believed that Hindus and Jews shared a history of oppression at the hands of Muslims, and that both deserved redress. “It must be emphasized that speaking historically, the whole of Palestine has been, from at least 2,000 years before the birth of the Muslim prophet, the national home of the Jewish people,” Savarkar said. In Hindutva(published in 1923), he underlined his support for the Zionist cause. "If the Zionists’ dreams were realized, if Palestine became a Jewish state, it would gladden us almost as much as our Jewish friends."

    Under Modi’s leadership, India looks set to build an even closer friendship with Israel, no matter what degree of devastation is unleashed in Gaza this summer.
     
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  9. AbhinavTheBrahmin

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    It is apathy and subconscious racism to some extent.
    In fact both BBC, CNN appear that way. Off course BBC is the front runner. The issues in India are nothing but cover stories for BBC. They don't care about the negative impact they cause in terms of stereotyping Indians. Now BBC employees and some brainwashed women might call it 'simply reporting the facts'. What do you call someone who only publishes negatives about a nation as news? One word is 'cynic'. But more appropriate term would be apathy.
    • BBC may justify their propaganda as "presenting the facts" but the truth is the authors are heavily opinionated if not the organization.
    • Sometimes they might brush off criticism by using a strategy which I like to call "Apology of Convenience": They publish articles that might offend your religion or culture by equating them with superstition. Then they would issue a comfortable apology saying they 'really didn't knew it would hurt'.
    • In extreme case, they use terms like "shooting the messenger" to attack a government which bans their propagandistic documentaries.
    • They might also repeat stock statement: "None of us think lowly of India or its people just because we made a documentary. " The truth is the result is nothing less that negative advertising. For example a German female professor replied to a male Indian student that she couldn't accept him in her research team because he belonged to India which has 'rape culture'. Later she was forced to apologize to the student on the insistence of German embassy. But the truth is many applications end-up in dustbins and not all the professors are foolish enough to send a reply which directly quotes 'rape culture' as their reason for denial.
    • A constant stream of maligning articles and documentaries in the long run contribute to unwanted generalizations. People take advantage of the blurry edge between 'biased propaganda' and 'freedom of expression'
    At best it can be called 'irresponsible' and at worst it can be 'underlying racism
     
  10. Hardi

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    BBC...

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    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Huh! But where I'm wasting time, asking a British not to be retard is like asking a dog not to bark or better say, asking a pig not to squeal.
     
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    F-14B #iamPUROHIT Senior Member

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    The sucker who wrote this carrpy excuse of an article have not interacted with these so called Palestinians because these assoles are proud lazy and arrogant to the ampteenteth degree even their so called brothers khaliji arabs hold them in low esteem but what else do you expect from an congressi idiot
     
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    ezsasa Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Other than us, does anyone uses the word "Maoist"?

    If not, we need to start using the word communist instead of Maoist. We may be loosing out on narrative value.
     
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    sthf Senior Member Senior Member

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    @abingdonboy

    They shouldn't & it's a good thing. No more sneak attacks under the garb of "friendly relations" or "shared history".

    MSM around the globe is dying at a neck break speed and as for the BBC or British media in general, the response they receive on social media clearly indicates that they are not fooling anyone.

    So let's celebrate another ISRO project which became possible with their aid.:pound:
     
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    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Not BBC but check this out:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentar...amuna_indias_most_polluted_river_2017_at_its/



    Some of the comments:


    Raw sewage is pumped in..people shit in it directly..throw dead animals, people and general waste in it. But Indians, because of their caste system, think toilets are unclean.


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    I use to work at a resort about 10 years ago where they had a convention with about 700 people coming in from India, they had to replace the ice buckets in every room rented out because they used it to shit in instead of the toilet.


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    What a shit hole with filthy people


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    What an awful country


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    I'd never ever go to India. If your people poop on the ground and destroy your environment why would anyone want to visit that literal shit hole

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    The wifes always bugging me to go..I'm like, I don't like London cos it's too busy and smelly, I would fucking hate India.


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    Way past the point of no return. These savages should just pray to one of their gods to clean the river


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    India is one of those places that I never had even the remote will to visit, and these documentaries just make me want to stay away from it. I would rather visit Syria.


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    tharun Patriot Senior Member

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    Leave it bro..these savages never understand anything.
     
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  18. Hiranyaksha

    Hiranyaksha Senior Member Senior Member

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    Indians should just boycott BBC and everything British. It is just a tiny fucking ballsack of a country which do not matter much. Indians empower news media like BBC by paying heed to it. Indians should promote their own english speaking news channels and focus on their promotion. If we keep depending on some other country's propaganda and want it to narrate positive stuff about our nation, than we are doing it all wrong. We have atleast 125 million english speaking population, which is expected to quadruple in next decade, and British are just 65.4 million. Just ignore them. That is enough to take away the power from them.
     
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    Burn these basturds aliveeee........
     
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    dhananjay1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Not to forget that a movie like "Slumdog Millionaire" that perpetuated the worst stereotypes about India was "celebrated" by many retard Indians. It's song used for election campaign by Congress.
     

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