Bangladesh migrants, the citizens of no man’s land

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  1. Ray

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    Nothing which is illegal is good for the Nation.
     
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    and, we also have a news as below about Canada. here, Canada put Pakistanis and Bangladeshis(East Pakistan) together, as it was before 1974. :ranger:

     
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    sir, In the above news, we have 3 main tables to state the condition of migrants in Canada. here we find Indian migrants on 'average' category, as compare to others.....

    1st, Table states that Indian migrants stands with East European People in "Low Income group category", bit better than East European migrants but listed above Polish people in the 1st table.

    2nd, Table states that Average Wages of Indians is bit better than Italian and other East European people, but again less than Polish migrants

    3rd, Table states that migration policy towards the Indian origin is maintained as it is during last 10 years, in between 2001 to 2010.

    here, why we find Indian Migrants to be on average performing in Canada, while Indian migrants are the highest income group in USA, in the same North America? do we have any role of religious equation in 'average' performing Indians in Canada? as we find Hindus to be even less than 50% of the total Indians living in Canada.

    in fact, Sikh truck drivers/ taxi drivers/ Sikh people working in farms in Canada itself, might not be earning less in Canada as they are very hard working, work for long hours....... Sikh origin people won't be very low earning group there, i think?


     
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    Only a crash test could determine the fact.

    Has it been done?
     
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    @Ray

    thats a good point, a good post :thumb:

    hmmmmm, look, cheap and now "more efficient" imported labors, as discussed in the post#158, do have some advantages, but it has many other things attached with it too, like the news as below....

    sir, we would always like to see increase in salaries in future? and why not, while India is already overly populated country, has to reduce its population by 50% by 2050, i sincerely believe....

     
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    just discuss bit more on this topic, the issues UK have with these immigrants. we have been having some news like as below too :ranger:


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    => something more about the things happening in Britain on the ground level, as below: :facepalm:

     
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    The Islamic future of Britain

    The future of Britain?

    Britain is in denial. If population trends continue, by the year 2050, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation :ranger:

    Britain is in denial. There is no real public debate on a historic event that is transforming the country. Mention of it occasionally surfaces in the media, but the mainstream political class never openly discuss it.

    What is that historic event? By the year 2050, in a mere 37 years, Britain will be a majority Muslim nation.

    This projection is based on reasonably good data. Between 2004 and 2008, the Muslim population of the UK grew at an annual rate of 6.7 percent, making Muslims 4 percent of the population in 2008. Extrapolating from those figures would mean that the Muslim population in 2020 would be 8 percent, 15 percent in 2030, 28 percent in 2040 and finally, in 2050, the Muslim population of the UK would exceed 50 percent of the total population. :ranger:

    Contrast those Muslim birth rates with the non-replacement birth rates of native Europeans, the so called deathbed demography of Europe.:coffee: For a society to remain the same size, the average female has to have 2.1 children (total fertility rate). For some time now, all European countries, including Britain, have been well below that rate. The exception is Muslim Albania. For native Europeans, it seems, the consumer culture has replaced having children as life’s main goal.

    These startling demographic facts have been available for some time (see ‘Muslim Population “Rising 10 Times Faster than Rest of Society”’, The Times, 30 January 2009. Also the work of the Oxford demographer David Coleman). But on this historic transformation of the country there is silence from the political establishment.

    Not everyone agrees with these demographic figures. Population projection, some say, is not an exact science. Perhaps the Muslim birth rate will drop to European levels.

    But this seems to be wishful thinking. For years it was believed that Muslims would enter what is known as “demographic transition”, with European Muslim birth rates falling to native European levels. But that demographic transition has not happened. In Britain, for example, the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities continue to have significantly higher birth rates than the national average, even after more than 50 years in the country.

    Over the short term (a few generations) demographic forecasting is as scientific as any social science can be. Britain and the rest of Europe are in native population decline and European Muslim birth rates are up. If that trend continues, then the projection of a majority Muslim population in Britain is sound. Even the highly respected economist and historian Niall Ferguson accepts the figures.

    Many British people find it hard to believe their country could become majority Muslim. After all, it was never what they wanted so why, in a democracy, should it be happening? But we’ve had such disbelief before. Back in the 60s and 70s, many people scoffed at the notion that London could ever be majority non-white. But today it is.

    The fact is that the deathbed demography of native Britons has come up against increasing Muslim birth rates and the result is a classic Malthusian geometric increase in the Muslim population. As Malthus emphasised, populations increase geometrically, not arithmetically. Given two populations, one declining one increasing, within a few generations the geometric increase of one over the other can be substantial.

    Why has the Muslim birth rate not fallen to native levels? Just as there may be consumerist-cultural reasons for the low birth rates of native Britons, there may be strong cultural reasons for higher Muslim birth rates. As the journalist Christopher Caldwell puts it: “Muslim culture is full of messages laying out the practical advantages of procreation. As the hadith saying has it: ‘Marry, for I will outnumber peoples by you.’”

    Yassir Arafat understood the political power of high birth rates. The Palestinian population increased sevenfold in one generation from 450,000 in 1967 to 3.3 million in 2002. The wombs of Palestinian women, Arafat said, were the “secret weapon” in his cause. The Israeli government is very much aware of Palestinian demographics.

    Population projections over the long term can be wrong. But for Britain, over the short term, whatever way you do the numbers, they all point in one direction: Britain will be a majority Muslim state by the year 2050.

    The political and social consequences of all this will be significant. Britain’s traditional foreign policy, particularly regarding the US and Israel, would very likely change. In fact the US and Israel are already anticipating the consequences of a majority Muslim Western Europe.

    Britain’s social landscape would also be changed. The Adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, would very likely be heard throughout most of Britain. The traditional iconic sights and sounds of the country would also change from church bell-towers to minarets.

    Very likely all of this would happen gradually but there can be little doubt that it will happen, and it would be perfectly democratic.

    Given that such a historic change is taking place, the silence of the political class is curious, to say the least. Britain, until the 1950s, could trace its ethnic and cultural ancestry back thousands of years. In 1903, in Cheddar Gorge Somerset, the remains of a pre-historic man were found. Known as Cheddar Man, DNA tests on this almost 9000 years old skeleton showed that he has living descendents today, still in Somerset.

    In fact, genetic studies show that the populations of the British Isles (and Western Europe) have been stable for millennia, giving the lie to the oft quoted liberal comment that “Britain has always been a country of immigrants.” That’s false. Until the mass immigration of the 1950s, Britain was ethnically homogeneous. (See Bryan Sykes’s Blood of the Isles.)

    The long stretch of Britain’s exclusively European identity is now coming to an end, yet the political class refuse publicly to discuss such a culturally transforming event. Why the silence from the politicians? Are they not proud of their achievement?

    The answer is that the demographic projections of a majority Muslim Britain show the British political class to have been catastrophically wrong on multiculturalism and immigration, and they are genuinely afraid to admit it. The British political establishment cannot give the full truth about immigration.

    The former Conservative MP George Walden, considering the fears of his fellow MPs in discussing particularly Muslim immigration, wrote:

    “I’d be so alarmed by the situation I’d do everything possible to suggest it was under control. It’s up to politicians to play mood music in a crisis, and up to the people to understand that there’s little else governments can do. The last thing they can say is that we face a threat to which we can see no end because it’s based on a clash of cultures. On the IRA we told the truth; on the Islamic problem, we lie.” (Walden, Time to Emigrate? p.120)

    Back in the 60s and 70s, the British political establishment united in condemning Enoch Powell, not just as a racist but as being factually incorrect in his demographic predictions. Since then, the subject of immigration has split British politics between the truth-denying, but morally superior, political mainstream and the truth-telling legacy of the bogeyman Enoch Powell.

    For good or bad, the history of the last 40 years has vindicated Powell on many issues and shown the political establishment to have been wrong. Some major figures on the liberal-left now acknowledge this fact.

    David Goodhart, the founder of Prospect magazine, in his new book The British Dream, argues convincingly that he and others on the liberal-left got it wrong on immigration.

    But they also got it wrong on democracy. The projection of a Muslim majority by the year 2050, coupled with the fact that the vast majority of the British people have consistently opposed large-scale immigration, post-war British politics must represent the greatest ever failure in democracy. If ever the “Iron Law of Oligarchy” were proved right, then it is post-war British politics that has done it.:ranger:

     
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    just to add bit more, we now have the issues related to false perceptions of 'Indians' in US/West too, as below.... its also similar to how we find false ID members of BD and Pak here :ranger:

     
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    Really ?:laugh:

    By your logic, Homosexuality is illegal in India now and so Homosexuality is not good for the nation now.

    If tomorrow, some progressive govt decriminalises homosexuality in India, it will suddenly become good for the nation?
     
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    its an 'incompetent' statement, stating the people would always 'surrender' to the decision of government....

    no matter what the government 'try' to legalize, the people always have a reason to alter the decision by appealing in court. we always find the laws keep changing as concerning the security reasons too :ranger:
     
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    Read the post and the reply and then you will find light dawn on you.
     
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    Nice try, but my point still stands. You replied to his post on immigration that illegal automatically means bad for the nation. I just showed how that is nonsense. Who am I kidding, you will not accept that you are wrong will you?:laugh:
     
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    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
     
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    Would you like some rest from this forum?

    Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting.

    I have displayed Patience, but idiocy of baiting me is running thin.

    It is better to remain on topic.
     
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    Sir,

    He is baiting you. And when you take action, he will claim you are abusing your mod powers and then play the martyr card. He might even play the upper caste bigot card.
    Oldest trick in the book, and I have seen this dozens of time in the last 6 years.

    It is our fault that we have given him too much leeway in the past, and now he is testing our patience and generosity.
     
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    I realise but then I try to treat all with Christian compassion and love, hoping that they will realise.

    Forgive them Father, for they do not understand what they do.

    Hopefully, he will not come tearing down on me for being Mother Teresa's protégé.
     
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    I just came here to read some of our dear santosh10`s competent and incompetent posts.

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    @Mad Indian the ultra right wing dude who shouts at others for being socialist while supporting the ultra left wing policy of affirmative action in the same breath :lol:
     
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    further to your comment about the "Improved Efficiency" of these illegal migrants, we have a news as below too. here, its interesting to see that out of total GBP 2,352 million remittance outflows from Britain, around GBP 1.16bil goes to just two countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh, or to one country, Pakistan before 1972. while Britain itself is the 14th largest receiver of remittances from the world right now and Pakistan and Bangladesh on 7th and 11th place.......

    an interesting statistics, as we do know that Pakistani+Bangladeshi is the poorest community living in UK. does this means, poor people do more saving? :ranger:

     
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    Standing of BRIC's Firms in World

    we have an update of listing of firms of BRIC economies as below:

    1st; The World's Most Innovative Companies - Forbes

    here we find 5 Indian firms having a place among the top 100 of world
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    2nd; Asia's Fab 50 Companies - Forbes

    here we find 12 Indian firms having a place in this above list of Asia's top 50
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    3rd; World's Largest 2000 Public Companies - Forbes

    here we find 54 Indian firms having a place in the above list. and yes, Pakistan too from South Asia having 2 companies in the above list.....
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    => Big Mouth of Bangladeshi Members, worth for nothing

    @Ray
    @genius , a nation is made by its people, who altogether make the nation proud by their knowledge/talent/performance. in the above 3 lists of Forbes, a person like me would certainly be surprised to see 2 Pakistani firms also having a place in this top 2000 largest firms of world, true. but, i won't be surprised if i dont see any Bangladeshi firm having a place in any of the above list by the next 10-15 years:wave:

    Bangladesh, a nation of 200 million people. except having False Indian-Hindu names and enter India, have got some position in government also by the bless of superpower US. here, do you have any credibility within Bangladesh????? something you may say here, as per your name as Genius?? :facepalm:

    so big mouth of Bangladeshi people, worth for nothing....... saying Indian works in Bangladesh, while we know them Bangladeshis having false Indian IDs, and working there. the Indian IDs, Bangladeshi government 'circulate' among them, after buying Indian IDs, as part of Bangladeshi annual Budget......

    you yourself claims to be an Indian Hindu on this forum, working in Bangladesh as a software engineering, as per your claim. while we generally know Bangladesh as a member of LDCs, among the most poor countries of world, hence depends on the "Humanitarian aid" to run the government, similar to other LDC member countries. and their people crossing Indian border, work for the least paid job here in India. we generally talk, "it would take upto 20years+, for Bangladesh to come to the level of Pakistan type countries." :ranger:
    so big mouth of these False Indian ID holders of Bangladesh keep on forums, any firm which may have a place in the above lists by even the next decade? :toilet:

    and yes, Indian firms, no matter who own it, got the above status by the people of India, raised them to this level by their knowledge-performance by the people of India. who sell their products to 400million+ strong middle class of India, and hence making profit within India to get a place in the above list. and my this statement is just concerning those False ID holders in India, "any wealth made within India belongs to the voters of India, and its tax payers, to the people of India based here."
    as now even soul of people is transferred by the other nationals, we now have "occupied" bodies of people by other nations too, whoever impressed US in past. but we do hope US/UK to withdraw their support from the rogue nations in future :usa: :uk:
     
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