Australia snubs India, refuses to lift ban on Uranium sale

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infact we should ban Australia now from future uranium trade,we will get it from other countries for sure...these aussies act like they are only source of uranium on whole planet.
 

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What is confounding is why the Indian govt has made the request for Uranium sale considering the fact that Australia has already stated its principled position on the issue some while back,a position which was reiterated by the Julia Gillard's new govt,and there haven't been any recent indication at the official level for any reconsideration of this policy,enough to warrant a repeat of India's earlier request which went unrequited.
 

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now i hope our govt dont lve in dream

they need us more then we nees them
 

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India needs to:
  • Start negotiations with other Uranium supplying countries.
  • Invest, and probably try to own uranium mines in friendly countries like Russia, Kazakhstan and African countries (refer to post #3).
  • Leverage large NRI populations in countries like Canada to impress upon their government(s) in being favourable in dealing with India, lest others chose to follow the path of Australia.
  • Expedite research on Thorium Reactors.
  • Avoid snubbing Australia or getting into a public spat, and instead be practical and open to uranium trade should they have a change in policy.

India, which has about 25% of the world's thorium reserves, is developing a 300 MW prototype of a thorium-based Advanced Heavy Water Reactor (AHWR). The prototype is expected to be fully operational by 2011, following which five more reactors will be constructed.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium#Existing_thorium_energy_projects
 

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IMVHO, the given headline undermines the on-going progress GOI is having in terms of political negotiation with multiple channels on International level.

Unless & until; emerging countries succeed in tweaking few of the clauses of NPT, this hysteria is going to haunt all & every related assumption.

It is an on-going process & will meet its justified state over long enough timeline. With that in mind, India isn't short of sellers to fulfill current demand. But yeah, there is going to be difference between "Licensed to buy" & "Willing to buy".
 
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I love the zero sum game of politics tit for tat advocated here by some of the usual suspects- an amusing read for sure... or the concept that if you were rejected once you should not bother to keep at it.
 

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IMVHO, the given headline undermines the on-going progress GOI is having in terms of political negotiation with multiple channels on International level.
Yes, the title indeed is slightly incendiary. If one reads only the title, it implies something but when one reads the whole report and what exactly the Australians have said, then the impression one gets is more pragmatic.
 

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I love the zero sum game of politics tit for tat advocated here by some of the usual suspects- an amusing read for sure... or the concept that if you were rejected once you should not bother to keep at it.
If you were better 'In Confidence" then you would also think that way. Sadly, things don't happen the way you dream on mate.

We have been too passive w.r.t recent developments and every scumbag think they can take us for a ride. Let's give it back to Australia, the same way we give it OR have started to give it back to China. We don't need Australia for heaven's sake OR even the US. They need us more. We are a FREE country of more than 1.3 billion. It's money you see! And money we have it!
 
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Why are guys getting so worked up ?? I agree with JayATL, its their policy and they are following it to the letter ! Also, its true that they are somewhat influenced by the Chinese, they are suck-ups to them. We should get involved with other countries for buying uranium, and maybe few years down the line they will realize that they are loosing out on an huge market, and may tweak their laws to accommodate our concerns.
 

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I love the zero sum game of politics tit for tat advocated here by some of the usual suspects- an amusing read for sure... or the concept that if you were rejected once you should not bother to keep at it.
When a person loves his country then a snub to the country is like he was personally snubbed.

Australia think too highly off themselves....id love too see there teeth when uncle yankee and nato are not around to police countries. And that time is not far off.
 

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When a person loves his country then a snub to the country is like he was personally snubbed.

Australia think too highly off themselves....id love too see there teeth when uncle yankee and nato are not around to police countries. And that time is not far off.
They will gladly join china in that case . After all china is biggest buyer of their raw materials.
 

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Although Australia is still officially part of the British Empire, they can, in practice, follow an autonomous foreign policy. With the UK trying to cosy up to India in the recent past, if Australia were still under the Iron Grip of Britain, they'd have had to be more favourable towards India and obey the dictates from London. Sadly that isn't the case.
 

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When a person loves his country then a snub to the country is like he was personally snubbed.

Australia think too highly off themselves....id love too see there teeth when uncle yankee and nato are not around to police countries. And that time is not far off.
They are a bunch of sissies who live under the US nuclear umbrella and talk about moral standards when tens of our students die in racial attacks there.
 

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Today or tomorrow they will come to us and they will sell uranium to us . we are 2nd fastest growing economy of the world and there is going to be huge market for uranium in India. Australian economy is mainly dependent on export of raw material and they cannot loose pie of such a big market . If we loosing then they are also not gaining anything . slowly but steadily they will realize the fact that love or hate India you cant live without India .
 

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When a person loves his country then a snub to the country is like he was personally snubbed.

Australia think too highly off themselves....id love too see there teeth when uncle yankee and nato are not around to police countries. And that time is not far off.
THEN that's when that person is called immature and an emotionally unstable person--- and That ' person' thankfully does not exist in the civil service or in the diplomatic core in India. every country has snubbed another one in this world at some point. How many countries will snub you and you them in the end?

and your analogy about uncle sam blah blah makes not a damn sense as usual . What was the objective? that Australia refuses to sell because of uncle sam, who himself is selling a nuclear deal to India? or some how Australia would cower and sell if it did not have uncle sam's protection? where did you learn your foreign policy etiquette?

some of you guys sound closer to cowboy Bush in foreign policy than anyone I have come across
 
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THEN that's when that person is called immature and an emotionally unstable person--- and That ' person' thankfully does not exist in the civil service or in the diplomatic core in India. every country has snubbed another one in this world at some point. When you parents snubbed your request when growing up , how many of you divorced them?

and your analogy about uncle sam blah blah makes not a damn sense as usual . What was the objective? that Australia refuses to sell because of uncle sam, who himself is selling a nuclear deal to India? or some how Australia would cower and sell if it did not have uncle sam's protection? where did you learn your foreign policy etiquette?
I would not divorce them but i would still get angry when my demands aren't met! surely i wont be happy would i ? plus how can i divorce my parents in the first place ??? and australia and India dont share a parent-child relationship.

i never said yanks are stopping australia from selling to us. i just said that australia think too big of themselves because of usa/nato....similar to a skinny guy having a strong friend in school.
 

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It's not entirely unexpected with the Labour government at the helm of affairs. India should explore alternate options to secure nuclear fuel supply and expedite work on our own thorium reactors. Whether that'll ever happen is anyone's guess.
 

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Here is an alternative view from Australia. Lets not forget that Howard under the Liberal Party had all but agreed to export Uranium to India. And the Labour party has received a drubbing in the recent elections. Its just a matter of keeping the pressure and using the Liberal Party to lobby this through.

Time to sell uranium to India

The Gillard government should proceed for the sake of economics, climate change and international fairness.

THIS week's visit by India's External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna is rekindling a difficult debate in Australia's relations with the rising giant of south Asia.

In this newspaper yesterday, Krishna cautiously revived Delhi's call for Canberra to lift its weary ban on uranium exports, pointing out that nuclear energy could be a climate-friendly way of helping to meet the massive electricity needs of a nation seeking to lift hundreds of millions to a decent quality of life.
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His comments confirm that the Labor policy forbidding uranium sales to India is a thorn in what will be one of Australia's crucial 21st century bilateral relationships.

Diplomacy, strategy, economics, climate change and notions of international fairness - all these imperatives support a rethink. It is time the Gillard government mustered the political courage to agree to sell uranium to India for civilian use. Any exports would be subject to the same protocols and safeguards we apply to others such as China and Russia. If India then did not accept reasonable conditions, the deal would be off and it would no longer be Australia's problem.

But Canberra's refusal even to negotiate defies the fact that Australia and India are natural partners: multicultural democracies facing shared challenges and hopes in the Asian century. The new India's rapid economic growth and wealth of human capital complement Australia's resources and proximity. We are neighbours in the Indian Ocean. We face common security concerns, from terrorism to the potentially destabilising impact of China's rise.

To be fair, the Rudd and Gillard governments have done much to build relations, including with greater diplomatic resourcing, high-level visits, a 2009 defence declaration, security co-operation at the Commonwealth Games and preparations for a free trade pact. Canberra took reasonable steps to respond to the dreadful attacks on Indian students.

Trade has boomed. Australian coal, gold, copper, diamonds and services make India our third-largest export destination. And India is finally shedding misperceptions of an Australia tilting China's way, thanks to WikiLeaks cables on Kevin Rudd's realism about Beijing.

Privately, many well-informed Indians understand that today's Australia is precisely the opposite of the prejudiced, unsophisticated, unimportant, unreliable nation caricatured in India's media.

But, after the student crisis, championing Australia in India is hardly a popular move. It remains an open question whether Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will make a substantial visit to Australia this year - beyond attending the Commonwealth summit - unless he can announce some policy breakthrough.

The uranium issue was almost resolved four years ago, when the Howard government decided in principle to export. Now, sadly, it is the relationship's barometer of trust. The leadership in Delhi thinks Australia is withholding uranium because we distrust India. India seems unwilling to invest in a real strategic partnership until that changes.

A proper partnership would serve both nations' security interests. It could include defence exercises, exchanges of actionable intelligence, and creative co-operation involving third parties, such as working with Indonesia or the US on maritime security.

So why not sell uranium to India? Critics warn it would weaken the legal regime against the spread of nuclear weapons, the 1970 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which India has not signed. Under that pact, most nations swapped the right to build nuclear arms for international help in nuclear energy, plus promises by the nuclear-armed states to disarm, one day.

The theory is that exempting India might lead Pakistan, Israel, Iran or North Korea to conclude that one day they too can have both the bomb and respectable nuclear commerce with the world - as if they did not already have their own reasons for wanting atomic armaments.

But consider the Indian view. Indians see the NPT as nuclear apartheid: allowing nuclear arsenals to be possessed by only the five countries that managed to test the bomb before an artificial deadline in 1967: the US, Russia, Britain, France and China.

India is in a dangerous neighbourhood with disconcerting nuclear neighbours in China and Pakistan, and, unlike Australia, no ally offering a handy nuclear umbrella. For all that, India's nuclear deterrent is small. Delhi has a doctrine of no first strike, and supports the Obama administration's push for global nuclear disarmament.

In any case, Australia's fastidiousness is fast becoming academic. Since a 2007 US-India nuclear deal, which Australia voted for in international meetings, America and many other nations have begun legitimate nuclear business with India. Canada has agreed to sell uranium. Even Tokyo, long our partner in disarmament diplomacy, is looking at selling reactor components as it forges strategic links with Delhi. Australia could soon be the world's only substantial nuclear exporter standing aloof.

There are no ideal outcomes in diplomacy, only imperfect decisions. Canberra's full engagement with a rising India cannot be deferred forever.

Rory Medcalf is a program director at the Lowy Institute and senior research fellow in Indian strategic affairs at the University of NSW. He has served as an Australian diplomat in India.
 

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30% of the worlds uranium comes from there plus the closeness of the location makes it a very attractive price/package for India.
 

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30% of the worlds uranium comes from there plus the closeness of the location makes it a very attractive price/package for India.
That's why Krishna went to ask them. Now if they want to pretend sitting on a moral high horse when they trade in Uranium with the largest proliferator of nuke technologies in Asia who started it all just to bog us down, you call that hypocrisy. Simple as that.
 

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