Atomic Warfare in Ancient India

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Just because they are not found, doesn't mean- conclusively - they are not there.

I am not for either side - definitely there was one or definitely there wasn't one. There is a chance there might have been one and unless conclusively proved that there wasnt one, that chance,little it may be, exists.
When someone is putting forward that "this happened" then the onus is on them to bring forward conclusive proof.

I say the flying spaghetti monster is god...prove me wrong. You see it doesn't work like that because i have to prove that the flying spaghetti monster is god rather than ask the person with opposing view point to prove it wrong.
 

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The Giant skeleton is definitely fake.
Yup


"Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax- National Geographic

Perpetuating the Myth

An often cited March 2007 article in India's Hindu Voice monthly, for example, claimed that a National Geographic Society team, in collaboration with the Indian Army, had dug up a giant human skeleton in India

"Recent exploration activity in the northern region of India uncovered a skeletal remains of a human of phenomenal size," the report read.

The story went on to say the discovery was made by a "National Geographic Team (India Division) with support from the Indian Army since the area comes under jurisdiction of the Army."
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I'll be the first to admit that our current understanding of historiography as a linear process,that it a had a certian birth and then progressed to gain maturity and sophistry in social mobilization and the technology and knowledge to achieve the same and that we are at the apex of the process,is at best a tenuous and lop sided view of history and it mostly has to do with academic dogma than anything else.Little over a hundred year ago the most erudite of western intellect could not bring itself to believe that 'history of everything' was little older than Bishop Usshers emphatic 4004 BC.In the east History was not linear but of several concurrent phases,each ending and giving way to another and then another,some that we know and several that we dont know and many we cannot fathom to imagine.

Our current understanding of history, with its emphasis on western method of sifting a trough of data of stories, myths,historical records,inscriptions,archaeological excavation and making reasonable deduction of facts from raw data,is mostly a academic construct.And a well regarded historian has wondered why history is considered boring when so much 'imagination' goes into its making.The point being impressed upon is that academic history is only slightly more historical than the myths and old wives tales.

When history began to emerge as a academic discipline with its emphasis on scientific probe into humanities,the early historians,esp in Europe had a barely undisguised disdain for myths,of secular or religious nature.It was nothing more than long yarns spun by forlorn men and woman around a pit fire.If these myths purported to have any facts,those facts would have to avail themselves to scholarly deduction.

The story of Theseus and the Minotaur who lived in the intricately designed labyrinth in the palace of king of Minos,would have remained in the realm of myths,since scholars could not deduce any reasonable facts from this tale,until sir Arthur Evans excavated the palace of Knossos at Crete.This Minoan palace came completely with hundreds of rooms connected by a labyrinthine passage ways,with every indication that the palace was perhaps host to ceremony where bulls were sacrificed(perhaps some humans too)The fact that the Minoan palace was more than a thousand years older than the Greek myth of 'slaying of the Minotaur' should not be lost on us.

Coming to the evidence of Nuclear warfare in ancient indian,esp to the claims that IVC sites show evidence of radio activity,as a result of the nuclear fallout.We can safely say that there is no evidence for such a claim.We have hundreds of skeletons from the IVC,including large numbers found from Cemetery H and Cemetery R-37 in Harappa and from other places like Lothal and Kalibangan in India.If any of these skeletons,which have been close studied by archaeologists and anthropologist,exhibited high doses of nuclear radiation,archaeologists would have published the findings as part of their regular field reports.None of the reports published so far on IVC sites refer to such radio active findings.There is nothing to indicate the Harappans indulged in any kind of serious warfare,let alone a nuclear one.
 

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Interesting images...



Now these pics make some valid arguments on how technically developed we were. But my brain still refuses to accept that nuclear war occured..
 

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NO!!!!
The ancient "Indians" went to Egypt and engraved it there, to throw us off the trail you know.....
1. Books

1.1 Peter Von Bohlen (1796 – 1840), a German Indologist, in his two volume monumental work Ancient India with special reference to Egypt compared, at length, ancient Egypt with India. He thought there was a cultural connection between the two in ancient times. Egypt being at the receiving end.

1.2 Many others have also written on similar lines (e.g. El Mansouri, Sir William Jones, Paul William Roberts, and Adolf Eramn et al).


2. Anthropology

2.1. Many Anthropologists have observed that the Egyptians as a race (type 'P') differ from the Africans in the south of Egypt.

2.2 As per the legends and lore, the early Egyptians were from PUNT, an Asiatic country to the east of Egypt (though some refer PUNT to Somalians). Going by the description given of its coastline washed by the great seas, its hills and valleys, its vegetation (coconut trees among others), its animals (including long tailed monkeys) the Punt, some scholars surmise, may in fact be the Malabar Coast.


3. Sphinx and Buttocks


There is very a delightful finding about the Sphinx. Joshua T Katz of Princeton University in his scholarly paper "The riddle of the Sp (h) ij and her Indic and her Indo-European Background" has come up with a view that the name Sphinx is related to a Greek noun which in turn is derived from a Sanskrit word Sphij, meaning " Buttocks". Now you know to where it all comes down.
Interestingly, when you type in sphij in Google search, it shoots back "Did you mean Sphinx?"
No, I am not joking. Mr. Katz's research paper is a very serious work though a pedantic one. Check this link
http://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/katz/120505.pdf


4. Emperor Ashoka's contacts with Egypt

4.1 A very authentic record of India's links with ancient Egypt is, of course, Ashoka's 13th rock edict (3rd century B.C). Here in, the Emperor refers to his contact with Ptolemy II of Egypt (285-246 B. C) in connection with the expansion of Dharma (Buddhism) into Egypt and its neighboring lands.

4.2 Ashoka , in his Second Edict refers to philanthropic works (such as medical help for humans and animals, digging wells, planting trees etc.) taken up by his missionaries in the lands ruled by Theos II of Syria (260 to 240 B. C) and his neighbors , including Egypt.

4.3. Pliny (78 A, D) mentions that Dionysius was Ptolemy's ambassador in the court of Ashoka. The Emperor's rock edict records that Dionysus was one of the recipients of Dharma (Buddhism).


5. Gnostics and Buddhism

5.1 Coming to the present era, Dio Chrysostum (1st century A. D.) and Clement (2nd century A. D) have written that at Alexandria, in Egypt, Indian scholars were a common sight.

5.2 Many scholars have pointed to a number of similarities between Mahayana Buddhism and the Gnosticism of the early Christian centuries that developed in ancient Egypt. The Greek term Gnosis is a derivative of the Sanskrit term Jnana both meaning knowledge. In both Gnosticism and Buddhism, the emphasis is on Wisdom, compassion and eradication of the opposite of gnosis/consciousness, that is, ignorance the root of evil.
Buddhism and Gnosticism

5.3 In the Gospel of Thomas (translated by Peterson Brown), at verse 90, Yeshua says Come unto me, for my yoga is natural and my lordship is gentle—and you shall find repose for yourselves. It is startling to find term "Yoga" in a first century Christian document written in Egypt Perhaps it refer to Sahja Yoga( the natural way) still practiced in India. Check the following link
Gospel of Thomas


6. Oxyrhynchus Papyrus

During the early years of the 20th century a number of fragments of papyri –dating from 250 B.C. to 100 A.D- were discovered at Oxyrhynchus (now called el Bahnansa) in Egypt. The excavations yielded enormous collections of papyrus from Greek and Roman periods of Egyptian history. Among the finds was an incomplete manuscript of a Greek mime ( a skit) .For purpose of identification this fragment of papyrus it is called Oxyrhynchus Papyrus 413 .The scene of action of the skit is India and there are a number of Indian characters who speak dialogue in an Indian language. Dr. E. Hultzsch (1857-1927), a noted German Indologist, identified some words of the dialogue as an archaic form of Kannada, one of the four major languages of South India. Recent studies have supported Dr. Hultzsch's finding. The papyrus is dated first or second century A.D. This seems to prove that there were cultural and trade contacts between India and the Mediterranean region at least as far back as in the early part of the first millennium CE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charition_mime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Charition_mime


7. Quseir

7.1 The excavation of the Quseir (a Red Sea port, Egypt) shipwreck also point to trade links between Egypt and India in the early Roman Imperial period. The wreck site revealed Campanian- amphoras (A cylindrical two-handled amphora with oval-section handles and an almond-shaped rim) from Italy dated to between the 1st Century BCE and 1st Century AD. Perhaps the ship was outbound for India and was part of a fleet sent by Augustus to capture a controlling interest in the Indian Ocean trade

7.2 Further, three of inscriptions, one in a Prakrit and two in Old Tamil, found in Qusei also support the likelihood of flourishing trade between India and the Roman Empire. This Suggests South India may have been the origin of the Indian merchants in Egypt.


8. Nile –Neela - Kali

John .H. Speke (1827 – 1864) an officer in the British Indian Army , who discovered the source of the Nile , in 1844 , attributed his success , among other things , to the guidance he received from an Indian. The advise given was to look for the Neela (meaning Blue in Sanskrit, hence the Nile) flowing between the peaks of Chandra-giri, (Mountains of the Moon) below the country of Amara. To his wonder, what Speke discovered fitted with the location indicated by the Indian.

word 'Ooralli

Noted writer and MLC Doddarange Gowda has claimed to have stumbled upon a piece of evidence in the Egyptian city of Alexandria that proves the existence of Kannada in second century BC.

Speaking after inaugurating the Kannada Rajyotsava celebrations organised by Karnataka State Pollution Control Board (KSPCB) here on Thursday, Mr. Gowda said he had personally seen the Kannada word "Ooralli" (which means in a village) written on a huge wall constructed in Alexandria by ancient Greek ruler Alexander the Great in third century BC.

"The Kannada word 'Ooralli' is part of the remnants of 36,000 palm manuscripts that had been burnt in an accidental fire during Alexander's time.

When the accidental fire destroyed much of the palm manuscripts, Alexander ordered his commanders to erect a huge wall so that the remnants can be magnified and reproduced on it. The palm manuscripts contained texts written not only in Greek, Latin and Hebrew, but also Sanskrit and Kannada. This proves that Kannada was in existence even in second century BC", Mr. Gowda claimed.



ANCIENT EGYPT AND INDIA - History Forum ~ All Empires

The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : Kannada word found on wall in Egypt
 
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1. Books
1.1 Peter Von Bohlen (1796 – 1840), a German Indologist, in his two volume monumental work Ancient India with special reference to Egypt compared, at length, ancient Egypt with India. He thought there was a cultural connection between the two in ancient times. Egypt being at the receiving end.
1.2 Many others have also written on similar lines (e.g. El Mansouri, Sir William Jones, Paul William Roberts, and Adolf Eramn et al).
2. Anthropology
2.1. Many Anthropologists have observed that the Egyptians as a race (type 'P') differ from the Africans in the south of Egypt.
2.2 As per the legends and lore, the early Egyptians were from PUNT, an Asiatic country to the east of Egypt. Going by the description given of its coastline washed by the great seas, its hills and valleys, its vegetation (coconut trees among others), its animals (including long tailed monkeys) the Punt, some scholars surmise, may in fact be the Malabar Coast
3. Sphinx and Buttocks
There is very a delightful finding about the Sphinx. Joshua T Katz of Princeton University in his scholarly paper "The riddle of the Sp (h) ij and her Indic and her Indo-European Background" has come up with a view that the name Sphinx is related to a Greek noun which in turn is derived from a Sanskrit word Sphij, meaning " Buttocks". Now you know to where it all comes down.
Interestingly, when you type in sphij in Google search, it shoots back "Did you mean Sphinx?"
No, I am not joking. Mr. Katz's research paper is a very serious work though a pedantic one. Check this link
http://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/katz/120505.pdf
4. Emperor Ashoka's contacts with Egypt
4.1 A very authentic record of India's links with ancient Egypt is, of course, Ashoka's 13th rock edict (3rd century B.C). Here in, the Emperor refers to his contact with Ptolemy II of Egypt (285-246 B. C) in connection with the expansion of Dharma (Buddhism) into Egypt and its neighboring lands.
4.2 Ashoka , in his Second Edict refers to philanthropic works (such as medical help for humans and animals, digging wells, planting trees etc.) taken up by his missionaries in the lands ruled by Theos II of Syria (260 to 240 B. C) and his neighbors , including Egypt.
4.3. Pliny (78 A, D) mentions that Dionysius was Ptolemy's ambassador in the court of Ashoka. The Emperor's rock edict records that Dionysus was one of the recipients of Dharma (Buddhism).
5. Gnostics and Buddhism
5.1 Coming to the present era, Dio Chrysostum (1st century A. D.) and Clement (2nd century A. D) have written that at Alexandria, in Egypt, Indian scholars were a common sight.
5.2 Many scholars have pointed to a number of similarities between Mahayana Buddhism and the Gnosticism of the early Christian centuries that developed in ancient Egypt. The Greek term Gnosis is a derivative of the Sanskrit term Jnana both meaning knowledge. In both Gnosticism and Buddhism, the emphasis is on Wisdom, compassion and eradication of the opposite of gnosis/consciousness, that is, ignorance the root of evil.
Buddhism and Gnosticism
5.3 In the Gospel of Thomas (translated by Peterson Brown), at verse 90, Yeshua says Come unto me, for my yoga is natural and my lordship is gentle—and you shall find repose for yourselves. It is startling to find term "Yoga" in a first century Christian document written in Egypt Perhaps it refer to Sahja Yoga( the natural way) still practiced in India. Check the following link
Gospel of Thomas
6. Oxyrhynchus Papyrus
During the early years of the 20th century a number of fragments of papyri –dating from 250 B.C. to 100 A.D- were discovered at Oxyrhynchus (now called el Bahnansa) in Egypt. The excavations yielded enormous collections of papyrus from Greek and Roman periods of Egyptian history. Among the finds was an incomplete manuscript of a Greek mime ( a skit) .For purpose of identification this fragment of papyrus it is called Oxyrhynchus Papyrus 413 .The scene of action of the skit is India and there are a number of Indian characters who speak dialogue in an Indian language. Dr. E. Hultzsch (1857-1927), a noted German Indologist, identified some words of the dialogue as an archaic form of Kannada, one of the four major languages of South India. Recent studies have supported Dr. Hultzsch's finding. The papyrus is dated first or second century A.D. This seems to prove that there were cultural and trade contacts between India and the Mediterranean region at least as far back as in the early part of the first millennium CE.
7. Quseir
7.1 The excavation of the Quseir (a Red Sea port, Egypt) shipwreck also point to trade links between Egypt and India in the early Roman Imperial period. The wreck site revealed Campanian- amphoras (A cylindrical two-handled amphora with oval-section handles and an almond-shaped rim) from Italy dated to between the 1st Century BCE and 1st Century AD. Perhaps the ship was outbound for India and was part of a fleet sent by Augustus to capture a controlling interest in the Indian Ocean trade
7.2 Further, three of inscriptions, one in a Prakrit and two in Old Tamil, found in Qusei also support the likelihood of flourishing trade between India and the Roman Empire. This Suggests South India may have been the origin of the Indian merchants in Egypt in the
8. Nile –Neela - Kali
John .H. Speke (1827 – 1864) an officer in the British Indian Army , who discovered the source of the Nile , in 1844 , attributed his success , among other things , to the guidance he received from an Indian. The advise given was to look for the Neela (meaning Blue in Sanskrit, hence the Nile) flowing between the peaks of Chandra-giri, (Mountains of the Moon) below the country of Amara. To his wonder, what Speke discovered fitted with the location indicated by the Indian.

ANCIENT EGYPT AND INDIA - History Forum ~ All Empires
The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : Kannada word found on wall in Egypt
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Sp (h) ij and her Indic and her Indo-European Background" has come up with a view that the name Sphinx is related to a Greek noun which in turn is derived from a Sanskrit word Sphij, meaning " Buttocks". Now you know to where it all comes down.
Interestingly, when you type in sphij in Google search, it shoots back "Did you mean Sphinx?
No it doesn't.
 

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