Asian? Yes. How about Pakistani? Or is speaking the truth racism?

[Scalieback]

they are a nation state.

our hate for pakistani state in reactionary...they stop sending in terrorists, waging war against India and there will be no "hate"

comes across as racist to me.

why did you hate the nazis ? you're the same race were you not ?

I don't hate the nazi's, just dislike their ideas of racial superiority and the fact that they murdered millions of human beings.

Still, what Germany couldn't do in two world wars will soon be economically apparent in Europe

 

[Scalieback]

im logging out...i reckon you should grab some curry since its lunch time

Had a curry last night thanks. Not sure why it's funny that a Brit would eat a curry. Have you never eaten fish and chips or roast beef?

Bon voyage

 

[pmaitra]

Still, what Germany couldn't do in two world wars will soon be economically apparent in Europe

I think you might find this thread interesting. It has lots of comments on the current financial situation in the UK.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/europe-russia/38200-euro-should-now-put-sword.html

 

[A chauhan]

Actually the biased, fake and forged history Pakistanis have studied in their country has converted them into a completely new race, now they belong to a different race as already 60+ years of complete brainwashing have gone, they will not change now, they will keep sending terrorists and keep dreaming to annihilate India yet we do not hate them but we show pity on them by our sarcastic comments http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/pakistan/39118-being-pakistani-his-gravitas.html

 

[The Messiah]

Answer the point. You won't as you know I'm right and you are wrong.

It's my fault for not remembering that profanity does not fall from the lips as easily as it does Brits. Delete bollox and insert 'rubbish' and answer the point.

Superficial names? I thought that the far right wasn't interested in nationalising everything? What did the German National Socialist and workers party do then? The nazi's were far left.

in that case communists were far right!

basically your mental

 

[Scalieback]

in that case communists were far right!

Rubbish, read some history. If you don't realise that political persuasions are in a horseshoe if not a circle ie the difference between fascism and nazism (the far right and the far left) is miniscule, you are certainly not the messiah!

P385 Safire's Political Dictionary: Amazon.co.uk: William Safire: Books

basically your mental

That would be you're as in 'you're mental' and no I'm not. I've had medicals in Fenruary, May and June this year. I'm physically very good and mentally fine according to Doctors in the UK. Can you say the same false prophet?

 

[Known_Unknown]

Rubbish, read some history. If you don't realise that political persuasions are in a horseshoe if not a circle ie the difference between fascism and nazism (the far right and the far left) is miniscule, you are certainly not the messiah!

Nazis were far left?!! Do you know what "leftist" ideology comprises of at all? And no, it does not include racial discrimination.

 

[pmaitra]

^^

You are correct, but I will have to mention this, that Nazis were socialists. Their socialism was limited to the 'Aryan' race, while the Soviet Socialism was multi-ethnic.

 

[pmaitra]

Rubbish, read some history. If you don't realise that political persuasions are in a horseshoe if not a circle ie the difference between fascism and nazism (the far right and the far left) is miniscule, you are certainly not the messiah!

I have to partially agree with this.

Just like the Nazis held the 'Aryan' race above all others, PRC holds the Han Chinese above the Tibetans and Uighurs, so in this case, it is indeed a horse-shoe, but again, not always.

 

[Known_Unknown]

^^

You are correct, but I will have to mention this, that Nazis were socialists. Their socialism was limited to the 'Aryan' race, while the Soviet Socialism was multi-ethnic.

Rubbish! Nazis were NOT socialist! In fact, Hitler obtained funding and support from German businessmen, many of whom were themselves Jewish! He did NOT abolish the private sector after coming to power, in fact, he made it illegal to leave your job without the consent of your employer.

His economic and trade policies were antithetical to socialism, and he banned, hounded and killed most of the German communists for god's sake!

 

[civfanatic]

Answer the point. You won't as you know I'm right and you are wrong.
It's my fault for not remembering that profanity does not fall from the lips as easily as it does Brits. Delete bollox and insert 'rubbish' and answer the point.

Superficial names? I thought that the far right wasn't interested in nationalising everything? What did the German National Socialist and workers party do then? The nazi's were far left.

Um, the Nazis are universally recognized as being far right. The fact that they have "socialist" in their party name means nothing in itself, just as having the word "democratic" in "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (North Korea official name) means nothing in itself. This was Messiah's point I believe.

The Nazis' economic policies were not socialist but Keynesian; big business was allied with the government, as it was in other countries like the U.S. They certainly were not a command economy like the Soviets.

 

[pmaitra]

Rubbish! Nazis were NOT socialist! In fact, Hitler obtained funding and support from German businessmen, many of whom were themselves Jewish! He did NOT abolish the private sector after coming to power, in fact, he made it illegal to leave your job without the consent of your employer.

His economic and trade policies were antithetical to socialism, and he banned, hounded and killed most of the German communists for god's sake!

Well in that case you don't quite know much about Nazi Germany, and their ideology.

Socialism is not merely about banning private companies. Yes, members of his Party did get into street fights with Marxists, in the early days of the Bavarian protests,until he was arrested. Later on, he settled the scores for good. But read on:

• Nazi Germany controlled profits, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany established sanatoria for workers, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany gave recognition and legal protection to single mothers, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany aimed to afford cheap personal transport to all its citizens (VW Beetle), so did the USSR (Lada, Zhiguli, Zaparozhets, etc.)
• Nazi Germany established the concept of discipline in public life, including the state ahead of the individual, so did the USSR.

The difference between Nazi Germany and USSR is that USSR was completely classless, while in Nazi Germany, it was class based, i.e. socialism only for the Aryans. The Jews, many of them formerly wealthy bankers and businessmen, became slave labourers, and quite similarly, many of the bourgeoisie of the Russian Empire ended up in Gulags during Stalin's purges. Again, another similarity.

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

Link: Hitler's Leftist Economic Policies

Finally, NAZI = Nationalist + Socialist.

 

[Scalieback]

Nazis were far left?!! Do you know what "leftist" ideology comprises of at all? And no, it does not include racial discrimination.

Really? What did Soviet Russia think of the Jews? What was their views on religion?

Stop spouting rubbish Joseph.

 

[Scalieback]

^^

You are correct, but I will have to mention this, that Nazis were socialists. Their socialism was limited to the 'Aryan' race, while the Soviet Socialism was multi-ethnic.

Not really The Status of the Jews in the Soviet Union | Foreign Affairs

 

[Scalieback]

Um, the Nazis are universally recognized as being far right. The fact that they have "socialist" in their party name means nothing in itself, just as having the word "democratic" in "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (North Korea official name) means nothing in itself. This was Messiah's point I believe.

I understand yours and Messiahs point. Doesn't make it right (or is that left?) though.

The Nazis' economic policies were not socialist but Keynesian; big business was allied with the government, as it was in other countries like the U.S. They certainly were not a command economy like the Soviets.

I never said it was like communism. It's the horseshoe (or circle) of political extremes ie the difference between the two is minscule.

 

[Known_Unknown]

Well in that case you don't quite know much about Nazi Germany, and their ideology.

Socialism is not merely about banning private companies. Yes, members of his Party did get into street fights with Marxists, in the early days of the Bavarian protests,until he was arrested. Later on, he settled the scores for good. But read on:

• Nazi Germany controlled profits, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany established sanatoria for workers, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany gave recognition and legal protection to single mothers, so did the USSR.
• Nazi Germany aimed to afford cheap personal transport to all its citizens (VW Beetle), so did the USSR (Lada, Zhiguli, Zaparozhets, etc.)
• Nazi Germany established the concept of discipline in public life, including the state ahead of the individual, so did the USSR.

Are you serious?!! "protection of single mothers", "cheap personal transport", seriously?!!



Sorry, see my avatar and title? I don't want to boast, but I could debate you for a 1000 pages on Hitler and the Third Reich, and you won't come out looking good, so just trust me on this one, the Nazis were NOT socialist!

The difference between Nazi Germany and USSR is that USSR was completely classless, while in Nazi Germany, it was class based, i.e. socialism only for the Aryans. The Jews, many of them formerly wealthy bankers and businessmen, became slave labourers, and quite similarly, many of the bourgeoisie of the Russian Empire ended up in Gulags during Stalin's purges. Again, another similarity.

NO, there is no similarity, except that Both Hitler and Stalin were dictators. Nazism was a reaction to Communism and had its support from middle class families, NOT workers.

Let's just leave this as it is, I'll advise you for a start to go look at the hundreds of videos of Hitler's speeches on YT.

 

[Scalieback]

Let's just leave this as it is, I'll advise you for a start to go look at the hundreds of videos of Hitler's speeches on YT.

Always good for a laugh aren't they Like the drivel in Mein Kampf.

Keep it up though Joseph, never let the truth get in the way of a good story

 

[pmaitra]

Are you serious?!! "protection of single mothers", "cheap personal transport", seriously?!!

Seriously! You need to learn about Nazi Germany which is a lot more, and at times contradictory to what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf.

Sorry, see my avatar and title? I don't want to boast, but I could debate you for a 1000 pages on Hitler and the Third Reich, and you won't come out looking good, so just trust me on this one, the Nazis were NOT socialist!

I am not interested in debating with you. Hitler changed his ideology several times in the course of time. You might as well explain, over and above those 1000 pages you mention, why Hitler collaborated with the Japanese, Chechens, and Indians.

Frankly, it's about time you did justice to your title and avatar.

NO, there is no similarity, except that Both Hitler and Stalin were dictators. Nazism was a reaction to Communism and had its support from middle class families, NOT workers.

There are too many similarities.

Let's just leave this as it is, I'll advise you for a start to go look at the hundreds of videos of Hitler's speeches on YT.

Speeches count, but speeches alone do not. I will consider your advise; you might as well mine.

 

[Known_Unknown]

Really? What did Soviet Russia think of the Jews? What was their views on religion?

Stop spouting rubbish Joseph.

Sigh. Here's another attempt to educate you:

Anti-Semitism

On January 12, 1931, Stalin gave the following answer to an inquiry on the subject of the Soviet attitude toward anti-semitism from the Jewish News Agency in the United States:
"

In answer to your inquiry:

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty. [10]

"

This answer was subsequently published as an item in the Soviet newspaper Pravda on November 30, 1936, and was again republished as part of a posthumous 1954 volume of Stalin's collected Works.[10]

Unfortunately, you know nothing, so I don't want to waste my time "debating" you. Have a good life.

 

[Scalieback]

:so just trust me on this one, the Nazis were NOT socialist!

Ah, but they were

Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes

Frank McDonough. Hitler and the rise of the Nazi Party. Pearson/Longman, 2003. p. 64

Nazism was a reaction to Communism and had its support from middle class families, NOT workers.

It's pantomime time "Oh no it wasn't!"

Read the history of this party you so admire.