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[Zero_Wing]

Yup maybe advance spies mapping landing spots for invasion force maybe but according to reports from western command they are poachers that came from around to malaysia to the area poach marine life lowlifes

 

[t_co]

thanks for rescuing them and putting them into jail.

after not any fish found in the Chinese aground ship(only a few dry fish for food), you start to charge them spy and try to jail them forever even kill them
that's typical PH, racism against India and bully / kill Chinese Fishermen.
Zero_Wing , Just soft remind, you guys are not white superiority, why you keep doing that?
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The Palawan provincial prosecutor ordered yesterday the transfer to the provincial jail of the 12 Chinese crewmembers of a fishing vessel that ran aground at Tubbataha Reef.

He said from their looks the 12 were not the typical Chinese fishermen arrested before for illegal fishing and poaching inside the country's maritime domain.

Actually, I'm inclined to go with some of the other posters here and argue those guys don't look like fisherman at all - they look like triad guys.

That being said though, the waters are not under the jurisdiction of the Philippines, so PH should hand them back, regardless of what they may appear to be guilty of - unless PH wants to use them as chips to enhance its legitimacy over those waters, in which case China should use all coercive and persuasive mechanisms to bend the PH government over a table.

 

[t_co]

Yup maybe advance spies mapping landing spots for invasion force maybe but according to reports from western command they are poachers that came from around to malaysia to the area poach marine life lowlifes

The thing is that poachers don't operate the kind of craft they were operating. Poachers in the SCS can't afford speedboats or small, high-powered fishing boats - not because those craft are too expensive, but because poaching is actually a low-margin, high-volume business where you want to haul back as much as you can per trip, and speed is not as much of an issue as looking inconspicuous compared to other fishing craft.

On the contrary, smuggling immigrants - i.e. snakeheads - or smuggling drugs might require different craft.

The flat fact of the matter, though, is that they were detained outside of territorial PH waters. If they were not conducting extractive economic activities (mining or fishing), then the PH government has no legal reason to hold them, and is in violation of UNCLOS for doing so.

 

[asianobserve]

That being said though, the waters are not under the jurisdiction of the Philippines, so PH should hand them back, regardless of what they may appear to be guilty of - unless PH wants to use them as chips to enhance its legitimacy over those waters, in which case China should use all coercive and persuasive mechanisms to bend the PH government over a table.

Look at the map closely...

The flat fact of the matter, though, is that they were detained outside of territorial PH waters. If they were not conducting extractive economic activities (mining or fishing), then the PH government has no legal reason to hold them, and is in violation of UNCLOS for doing so.

Utter nonesense.

 

[Impluseblade]

http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2012/0...ctional-claims-when-politics-and-law-collide/


A running thread through the tensions at various Southeast Asian regional forums over the past four summers has been the uncertainty and insecurity generated by China's jurisdictional claims in the South China Sea.

Legally, China claims sovereignty over the disputed islands and adjacent waters in the Sea and sovereign rights over relevant waters as well as the seabed and subsoil thereof — a claim in accordance with Law of the Seas (LOS) norms.

But operationally, China's oceanic law enforcement agencies have unilaterally, and at times forcefully, enforced their writ across the more expansive political perimeter bounded by the 'nine-dashed line'.

Plainly, these legal and political claims overlap but do not coincide. However, endless dwelling on the supposedly impenetrable logic of the nine-dashed line's extremity is side-tracking attention from what ought to be the central premise of this issue: that China's claim to the primary land elements lying within the nine-dashed line — the Spratlys and the Paracels — is markedly superior to those of its rival claimants.

Alone among claimants, China is capable of coupling 'continuous and effective occupation' of the islands, islets and reefs with a robust modern international law-based claim backed by relevant multilateral and bilateral instruments.

In 1952, Japan renounced all right, title and claim to the Spratly and Paracel Islands to the Republic of China (Taiwan), by way of Article 2 of the bilateral Japan–Taiwan Treaty of Taipei. This treaty followed — and referenced — the territorial renunciations of the Islands by Japan under the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, which had not identified the beneficiary at the time — a treaty that was ratified by both the Philippine and (South) Vietnamese governments. And although neither country is bound by provisions in the bilateral Japan–Taiwan treaty, neither can produce a Spratlys/Paracels cession or reversion clause in their own bilateral treaties with Japan. Rather, their claims are supplementarily based on historical cartography in the case of Vietnam or, for the Philippines, 'historical discovery' that is (incredibly) of a post-World War II vintage!

At the end of the day, ultimate title cannot be said to rest with any one party so long as a territorial claim is not resolved by way of a binding instrument between claimant states. At best, there are better claims and less-better claims to the territory in question. But given China's law-based claim is superior to that of rival claimants, why does it persist with the infamous nine-dashed line?

As the successor government of Taiwan, the mundane reason is that Beijing is proceeding from the claim line that it inherited from the Chiang Kai-shek regime as the baseline for negotiation and compromise in an open territorial dispute. Beijing's approach to negotiating its Himalayan boundary dispute with India is no different in this regard. But the technical reason is more complicated. Were China to submit an LOS-compliant claim to its outer continental shelf limits in the South China Sea, the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS), tasked with examining its validity, would almost certainly strike down parts of the submission.

The CLCS appears on track to de-recognising Japan's claim that the two high-tide elevations — totally the size of five tatami mats — within the Okinotori atolls in the Pacific are in fact 'islands' capable of generating an EEZ (that is ironically larger in dimension than the land mass of Japan itself). By the same reasoning, many of the high-tide elevations under Beijing's control in the South China Sea would be found to be mere 'rocks'. Although CLCS findings are non-enforceable, it would dent China's case to certain disputed resource-rich zones within the Sea — hence its preference for the nine-dashed line.

The foremost motive for the nine-dashed line's persistence is its intertwined character with the highly politicised, deterrence-based model of territorial dispute management that Beijing favours.

Territorial jurisdiction issues have never been treated as mere cartographic detail: they are tied to a larger political calculus of stability and good neighbourliness. In its maritime dimension, joint development of commonly held resources has been the established mode to implement this principle. Here, Manila's misjudgement in abrogating its joint seismic study agreement with Vietnam and China in 2008 (compounding the error by unilaterally issuing exploration licenses within a disputed section of the study area) has been the principal cause of the swift deterioration in bilateral ties with China.

Furthermore, territorial settlements have never been concluded under duress, and China's rulers calibrate their approach between a hard-line and a flexible one to suit the strategic circumstances at hand. The nine-dashed line has conveniently served as a hard-line expedient that Beijing's competing maritime bureaucracies are not shy to lever to signal displeasure to other claimants.

So what are the enabling circumstances that would motivate China to set the nine-dashed line aside and adhere to best international practice in issuing forth maritime jurisdictional claims? Beijing has previously been willing to soften its inflated 'natural prolongation' principle with Korea and Japan to pursue fisheries and (in-principle) joint resource development, and the 2000 Gulf of Tonkin maritime delimitation agreement with Vietnam too was firmly in keeping with the highest international practices.

Given the fast-paced development of international maritime law, which is accentuating the gap between political calculus-based and rules-based orders at sea, it is in China's self-interest to submit an LOS-compliant claim to its outer continental-shelf limits in the South China Sea. Beijing's gains in goodwill earned will far outweigh the territory, and resources, relinquished. It might also allow China leeway to subsequently initiate a region-wide conversation on introducing limits to objectionable, threat-based activities in EEZs by foreign navies, under the guise of navigational freedoms.

Look at the map closely...

 

[satish007]

Yup maybe advance spies mapping landing spots for invasion force maybe but according to reports from western command they are poachers that came from around to malaysia to the area poach marine life lowlifes

Yup,we need map for safe side
http://img.cjdby.com/data/attachment/forum/201304/12/152018sdklec3qypdc0yju.jpg/img[]
These stuff are ready to land any island

 

[satish007]

no edit button

 

[Zero_Wing]

no edit button

wow artificial corals

 

[satish007]

wow artificial corals

you welcome, we always take and compensate, you always complaint our fishermen stealing you silly corals so we give you some fake/dummy corals.
you see the last two , very very big noise they make once they are released.

 

[satish007]

Huh please write in proper english

despite of our English suck or not, our Cruise Ships are ready to go, will travel all around the SCS and people will have fun.

carefuly slide

 

[t_co]

Yup thanks you ch#ck stick ball and let you know we are not the only ones piss by you guys so you should stickers should think about that

Racism, reported

 

[huaxia rox]

looks like no one Filipino can tell me why they are doing this to indians...Why is there Racism Against Indians in the Philippines

and looks to me no single indian cares to respond.

thats odd.

 

[t_co]

looks like no one Filipino can tell me why they are doing this to indians...Why is there Racism Against Indians in the Philippines

and looks to me no single indian cares to respond.

thats odd.

That indicates most of the Indian posters here are too busy fantasizing about using the Philippines to create trouble for China in the SCS to worry about how Filipinos actually treat their countrymen.

 

[Zero_Wing]

Wow coral for the sea bed nice!

 

[Zero_Wing]

Ya ya sure sure and your still real trouble makers around here

 

[huaxia rox]

rascim trouble maker againmst indians???

what do you mean by around here??

 

[satish007]

Ya ya sure sure and your still real trouble makers around here

Come one Zero, show some angry.
China officially received in Ukraine first bison ships hovercraft

the handover ceremony on April 12 held in Feodosiya
we will use these big hovercrafts landing, they will be aground nowhere, so you don't have to worry about your stupid coral
or pangolin.

 

[pmaitra]

@satish007, thanks for the photos.

 

[satish007]

@Zero_Wing,
Last Year, we had a bug fishing fleet try to light fishing in Subi Reef but got almost nothing and wasted money.
Now we are going there again.

although SCS is ours and our ancestor fishing there long time ago, but we need to refresh fishing skill,
do you mind sharing some fishing knowledge , which way is best to get big catch there?

 

[satish007]

@satish007, thanks for the photos.

you are very welcome, you Indian eat pangolin? that's very very expensensive ,luxury meat in China.

MANILA – The Philippine coast guard said Monday it had found hundreds of frozen scaly anteaters, or pangolins, in the cargo hold of a Chinese boat that ran aground in a protected marine sanctuary last week.

Wildlife officials have been informed of the surprising discovery, which could lead to more charges for the 12 Chinese men arrested on charges including poaching after their boat was stranded in Tubbataha Reef last week.

"We found 400 boxes containing anteaters aboard the vessel, and we are now determining where these came from," coast guard spokesman Lieutenant Commander Armand Balilo told AFP.