Army's secret Division would have prevented Samba-like encounters

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'Army's secret Division would have prevented Samba-like encounters'

The Samba attack by Pakistan-based elements could have been avoided if the Technical Services Division (TSD) had not been shut down a year ago, claim senior military officers who wish to remain unnamed. Speaking to them, it becomes clear that the decision by incoming Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Bikram Singh to shut down the TSD of the Army immediately upon taking charge from General V.K. Singh a year ago has been greeted with dismay by his own officers, especially those on the frontline of Pakistan terror. These officers say that the scrapping of the TSD is a major reason why there has been a spurt in cross-border intrusions over the past year, and warn that unless the organisation gets re-established, counter-insurgency operations will suffer.

"The decision to finish off TSD was political and not military. It was done to show (former COAS) General V.K. Singh in a bad light," a senior officer commented, while another claimed that "the TSD enabled our boys to get prior information on the movements of terror groups, so that these were caught before sneaking into India". He claimed that "despite the effort by the ISI to create a Kashmir Intifada by motivating youngsters to pelt stones at security forces, the situation was quickly brought under control." An officer claimed that the TSD was able to use technical means to operate deep within Pakistan and find out the trajectories of terror plots against targets in India. "At a cost of just Rs 20-30 crore annually, the Army was able to finally reach the actual sources of terror operations and not just tackle the symptoms," a former officer claimed.

The 26/11 Mumbai terror attack of 2008 showed the need for the army to go beyond its focus on the Line of Control and run sources deep inside Pakistan. In March 2009, a meeting took place to discuss this need, and then COAS General Deepak Kapoor asked Military Intelligence to work on a position paper, which was approved by Defence Minister A.K. Antony soon after its submission in October. The proposed TSD was to function under the Director-General of Military Intelligence, who would audit its funds and give operational directives. However, although the proposal had been cleared, it was not implemented until General V.K. Singh took over as COAS in April 2010. Among the tasks of the new unit were to keep a watch on separatists and other pro-Pakistan elements, as well as identify and record the groups and individuals seeking to destabilise the Kashmir valley. The getting of sources from within Pakistan was a high priority. The 2010 Intifada, which was countered less by standard police procedure than by an "information war" (Infowar) pointing out the harm the movement was doing to the physical and financial well-being of residents of the valley. A senior officer then in J&K admitted that "some NGOs which promoted peace and conciliation were funded by the TSD, but such expenditure was nothing compared to ISI cash pouring into the valley".

Among the examples of Infowar carried out by the TSD were the securing of numerous videos showing the maltreatment of locals in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir by Pakistan army personnel, and the humiliation that locals had to daily endure, besides their economic hardship. "We showed the valley that life was hell on the other side, and this hurt the pro-Pakistan groups who painted a rosy picture of the other side," an officer claimed. His colleague claimed that "at least three dozen terror plots against targets in India were discovered because of the TSD, and foiled". He added that the (26 September 2013) Samba attack "showed the problem created by removing the TSD 'eye' from the armoury of the army". He added that the attack showed that "military intelligence needed to operate not only just across the LoC but deep within Pakistan to be effective". He warned that the "peace group (now running policy) had taken away from the army the right to a robust response to provocations after first draining it of Infowar capability". Another claimed that "these days, only officers who are more adept in cultivating superiors rather than in fighting get ahead" and warned that this would "affect the success of war operations, where courage and improvisation are key to victory".

The officers claimed to have no knowledge of any TSD connection with an NGO that filed a complaint against the present COAS, General Bikram Singh, over the 2001 Janglath Mandi encounter, in which a 70-year-old local resident (who seems to have been indigent) has been identified by the army as a dangerous militant, who shot and killed the commanding officer of a unit as well as injuring then Lt Gen Bikram Singh. The NGO claimed that the alleged militant was only a bystander and that he was killed in the crossfire between two units of the army, one of which mistook the other to be terrorists. A source close to the present COAS says that Gen Bikram Singh "is a very bold officer and just because a man is 70 years old, does not mean he cannot be a threat". The military has consistently taken Gen Bikram Singh's side of the story, even while Gen V.K. Singh was COAS, and has refused to conduct any fresh investigations into the encounter that left both the alleged terrorist as well as an army officer dead and the present COAS injured.

About news reports that Gen V.K. Singh snooped on officials and politicians using off-air interceptors ordered by Military Intelligence, a source pointed out that only one of the interceptors was in army use, "and that on the LoC and not Delhi". He said that the other vehicles were in the possession of the NTRO. When then Defence Secretary (and now Comptroller and Auditor General) Sashikant Sharma ordered an inquiry into all such matters in July 2012, the Board of Officers concluded that there was no evidence of any wrongdoing. Interestingly, the role of the officer who actually ordered the purchase of the off-air interceptors has never been probed. This has, however, not prevented a spate of reports from coming out about the TSD, thereby obscuring its utility as a low-budget instrument both for collection of information about hostile elements and for the conduct of Infowar in sensitive theatres.
What a sorry and pathetic state of affairs in our country. What are we to make of our current army chief if he is making such stupid politically motivated decisions.
 

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What a sorry and pathetic state of affairs in our country. What are we to make of our current army chief if he is making such stupid politically motivated decisions.
He has been forced to shut them down. Sonia is doing her nut to weaken the military so that people get worried and approach her for a solution. I hope the military gets the balls to say NO to such a regime.

I never thought such a day will come when a ruling government will weaken the national defences themselves.
 

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It is the the result of Promotions and Postings being influenced by politics and politicians and it started with Mulayam.

And total deconstruct of the military by the politician - bureaucratic nexus.

And it is not that the Military is not playing its part in self destruct at the bidding, allurements thrown their way by this unholy nexus!

So, it is all a part of the 'evolution' and 'maturing' of the Indian democracy, the two words be hear all the time for anything and everything happening in India.

We have no conscience today. It is now a four letter word. We have no integrity and honesty.

The manner in which smiling like a Jackass Maken could switch in a second from stoutly defending the Ordinance as a piece of high intelligence and ingenuity that was valorous, gritty and courageous to trashing it immediately after Rahul Gandhi declared the same Ordinance that Maken was so stoutly was defending as a masterpiece, to be a turbulence of nonsense and which should post haste consigned to the trashbin, is indicative of the morality and integrity of the people in power and in the Administration!

How can the Nation have confidence in such shameless double-faced subjugation to individuals and not policies of the Nation and robust governance or its security?
 
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All eyes on supreme commander


While the so-called Rahul Gandhi bombshell, apropos "ordinance is nonsense", has seized the national discourse and has long-term implications for the political scenario that will shape the governance of the country, the more damaging issue in relation to national security that merits objective scrutiny is what may be termed the General VK Singh controversy.

It may be recalled that a national daily (Indian Express, September 20) made a dramatic revelation about a confidential report submitted by Army HQ to the Ministry of Defence in March this year which inter-alia alleged that former Army Chief, General VK Singh, had misused secret intelligence funds to de-stabilise the elected government in Jammu and Kashmir.

In the following days, there has been a series of public statements and clarifications offered by the former Chief, which, in turn, has led to an explosive debate in the national audio-visual media by his well-wishers and detractors that has only served to vitiate the discourse and, thereby, caused both embarrassment and damage to India's image and security interests.

At the heart of this controversy is a statement made by VK Singh, who, while defending himself, alleged that Army funds were used to pay certain politicians in J&K to 'stabilize' the region — and furthermore, that this was a practice that dates back to the dawn of Indian independence. The enormity and preposterous import of this statement — for those who heard it live on TV — is self-evident. To characterize this as a jaw-dropping revelation is an under-statement.

Some correction was attempted by VK Singh who sought to clarify the content and context of his remarks but the damage was done. Was the allegation made by the former Army Chief true? If so, has India been guilty of the most heinous and hypocritical charge of nurturing a sham democracy in J&K — and the extrapolation is that Kashmir was indeed under the jackboot of the Indian army. This, incidentally, is the core of what India has long maintained in relation to Pakistan — namely that it is Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK) that is still under the tight control of the Pakistan Army.

Mercifully, this allegation has been refuted by every former Indian Army Chief and in a joint statement (September 27), eight former Generals asserted that 'no funds were ever provided by the Army, to any politician, political party or NGO in their tenures and nor would they have allowed that'. They further added to allay any anxiety that "the Indian Army is completely apolitical and that they do not dabble in politics and the Army takes great pride in this time honoured tradition."

While this latest statement by the former Army Chiefs may offer some palliative, the VK Singh controversy needs to be reviewed in its entirety for it reveals certain abiding institutional infirmities in the higher defence management of the country. Civil-military relations in India have been less than appropriate and this is a trait that goes back to the Nehru years. The run-up to the 1962 war with China is a case in point.

At the time, the political direction to national security was less than objective and the most undesirable form of factionalism within the Army was nurtured by the then Defence Minister Krishna Menon. Consequently, negligence to an unfolding challenge to national security was the leitmotif of that decade. The debacle of October 1962 followed and it compelled the then President S Radhakrishnan to chastise PM Nehru for rank 'negligence and credulity'. The Supreme Commander of the Indian Armed Forces made the appropriate post-facto intervention within the Constitutional framework and encouraged a shattered PM to apply the corrective to the higher defence matrix.

One could argue that a similar situation currently prevails, in that the challenges to national security have become complex and urgent and the VK Singh episode is symptomatic of the systemic inadequacies that need to be objectively reviewed and corrected. The need for a radical overhaul of India's higher defence management was palpable in the aftermath of the 1999 Kargil war and it is a shame that 14 years later, little substantive progress has been made. Both the NDA and UPA governments are culpable of having neglected this issue and in many ways, the VK Singh episode is a result of this negligence.

What began as a totally avoidable date-of-birth controversy soon snowballed into an ugly situation wherein the Army Chief was petitioning the Supreme Court for redress since the political executive was unable to deal with the matter. At the time there were unseemly insinuations about factions within the Army and selective leaks to the media about shaping the line of succession to the post of Army Chief.

In early 2012, more leaks in the media followed that hinted at General VK Singh attempting a coup by moving military formations towards Delhi — again a preposterous charge — and the matter was allowed to fester without any firm resolution by the political establishment. More turbulence was in store, for towards the end of his tenure in mid 2012, a secret missive from General VK Singh to the Prime Minister found its way into the public domain and a slew of charges and counter-charges filled the air. Again, the matter remained suspended and an aggrieved VK Singh went into retirement.

The nation was hoping that this matter had been buried but, regrettably, the latest mid-September revelations about VK Singh seeking to topple an elected government, amongst other grave charges that have deep import for national security, have opened the Pandora's Box again. Given the uncertain political environment within the country — and the ordinance fiasco has only served to exacerbate matters — is there a case to review the role of the President? Should all eyes be upon the Supreme Commander only on the ceremonial occasion of January 26? The present incumbent of Rashtrapati Bhawan has an unmatched insight into the challenges to national security and could perhaps burnish the track record of his illustrious predecessor of 1962.

The author is former director of the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses


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that's why i say Indians are all over obsessed with re-inventing the wheel.

We had the capability IK Gujral dismantled it, now we build it again from scratch some babus with ambitious army men again dismantle the whole thing.

So in essence we are always on learning curve. Best part is that we believe that we are on our way to become a superpower.

hahahah
 

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What a secular regime.... destroying the national military capability for heavens-knows-who's vote.

Not even the 30 million illegal Bangladeshis will want to vote for a pro-Pakistan/ pro-China stance like this.
 

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Livefist

As you've no doubt seen the Indian Army is back in the news with this unseemly debate over intelligence and covert operations dominating the discourse. I don't get to hear enough from you folks think about an issue like this: Wanted to invite thoughts, views, opinions on Gen VK Singh, the things he's said and the direction this debate is taking. A full and frank discussion, if that's possible? I'll answer questions and participate in the comments section too.
 

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Khangress govt would destroy any assets for fixing its critics.
 

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I wonder if anyone can confidently state that if the so called Division remained, things would be better.

None knows what was its task, organisation or actions.

So everything is the zone of speculations!
 

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congress know for sure that they will not win the upcoming elections, so they might tear up the whole system apart so that their predecessor will not find it easy enough to govern.............issue of telangana, VK singh............what a shame
 

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OK Now I have got it that why It has been proudly said and disseminated in media that they had specific information about this infiltration bid and further counter infiltration operations will be conducted on specific intelligence inputs. Local commander said it, GoC said it and Home minister said it today.

I was like 'body hell' why they are telling it, as any of their sources inside Pakistan will be now combed away by or Jihadis and PA will now develop new tactics to counter/dodge those intelligence traps.

All they were doing it was to suggest, read fool this nation that their mechanisms are still relevant and effective, even without previous mechanisms.

Ironically they still failed to check those Pakistani infiltrators who came all the way at our National Highway, killed 9 security personals and were able to breach military installation/camp.
 

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sickular guys will run away from this thread
 

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