Army Coup in Pakistan just around the corner ?
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you may be right last time the military took over under Musharaf they were hair away from a civil war.. remember that time when Tareke Taliban was 60 km away from the capital? That a scary thought nukes falling into the hands of radical Islamists
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That's why kayani went to china to take blessing of papa china
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Coup is boiling and it will happen in coming days....then total chaos for failed Islamic state of pakistan; however, we will have to be on highest alert, as paki army will indulge in public looting of both funds and resources, then they will induce the lame bigoted paki awam with anti-India pot to smoke, to cover their tracks! Hence, a limited or an all out war on the behest of China will be inevitable - knowing the shameless and surrendering pakistan army's track record of being a mercenary and a stooge of foreign powers (in this scenario being CCP). Bottom line is that - be prepared, as a rogue terrorist bigoted nation goes in the hands of shameless paki army and equally genocidal mullahs - war can only justify their (military-mullah alliance's) actions and existence.
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You have to wonder who's behind the sudden growth of Gilani's balls...?
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Shubh Mahurat of pak army coup is before 16 jan 2012.
should we start betting?????
should we start betting?????
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All I know is that the civilian government would not cross the red line (undermining the military publicly) in sacking the Defense Minister if they are not assured of a more powerful backing...
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Perhaps one or more of the three overlords..Amrikaa, Bartaania, Saudiaa
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Yes democracypakistan a democracy
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You guys are under estimating Zardari. ''Ek Zardari sab par bhari''.
1. He will Change PM.
2. Call for early election.
3. Govt. will only go by no confidence motion but PPP has the numbers so nothing is going to happen.
1. He will Change PM.
2. Call for early election.
3. Govt. will only go by no confidence motion but PPP has the numbers so nothing is going to happen.
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EK zardari Buri Bimari...
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Firing of Pakistan's Defense Secretary Raises Tension With Army
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani fired his defense secretary, a retired general and confidant of Pakistan's army chief, on Wednesday as the civilian government drew closer to a head-on collision with the country's powerful military leadership.
Mr. Gilani accused the secretary of defense, Naeem Khalid Lodhi, a former corps commander, of "gross misconduct and illegal action" and of "creating misunderstanding between the state institutions." He replaced the former general with a civilian aide, Nargis Sethi, Reuters reported.
Military officials warned on Wednesday evening that the army would likely refuse to work with the newly appointed defense secretary, signaling the possibility of a serious rupture between the army and the civilian government. "The army will not react violently, but it will not cooperate with the new secretary defense," said a military officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Tensions had intensified between the government of President Asif Ali Zardari and the army leadership following the publication of a controversial memo, purportedly drafted by the government shortly after an American raid last year killed Osama bin Laden, that solicited help in stopping a possible coup by the humiliated Pakistani military.
Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the army chief, called an emergency meeting of his top commanders on Thursday.
The defense secretary is ordinarily appointed with the consent of the army chief and acts as a bridge between the civilian government and military. The role is more powerful than that of defense minister, a position that is filled by a politician from the ruling party.
The firing came as the military warned the prime minister that his recent statements against General Kayani would have "serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country." Mr. Gilani had accused Mr. Kayani and Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the head of Pakistan's intelligence service, of acting as "state within a state" and reminded them they were accountable to the Parliament. Those statements were seen as suggesting that they could be removed from power.
The defense secretary's signature is needed for the appointment — or termination — of the members of the military leadership. By installing a secretary defense of its own choice, the civilian government appeared to be seeking greater leverage in dealing with the military.
Speculation about the government's intentions to dismiss the two commanders were fueled by news reports in the stridently anti-American press in Pakistan, where many people view the United States as an arrogant adversary instead of an ally. That view has increased in the months since the Bin Laden raid last May and the deaths of 26 Pakistani soldiers in an American airstrike near the border with Afghanistan late last year.
Pakistani analysts said the firing of Mr. Lodhi could be a potentially ominous sign that the festering conflict between the army and the civilian government had reached a critical stage.
"It is a desperate measure," said Ikram Sehgal, a defense analyst and former army officer. "They want the army to react and to make a coup."
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a military and political analyst, said the firing would only exacerbate the situation for the civilian government. "If the prime minister now tries to fire the army chief, it will have very dangerous consequences."
General Lodhi, who was only recently appointed defense secretary, became embroiled in a controversy last month after he submitted a statement in the Supreme Court on behalf of the Defense Ministry stating that the civilian government had no operational control over Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan's powerful spy agency. Mr. Gilani accused Mr. Lodhi of overstepping and objected to his blunt statement, a public acknowledgment that, while the intelligence services are technically under the control of the prime minister, they are widely perceived to act independently of the civilian government.
A military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the relationship between the two men broke down after the prime minister's staff sought to pressure General Lodhi into contradicting statements by the army and spy chiefs about the controversial memo. The military commanders had told Supreme Court last month that the memo, written by a former ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, was an authentic and pointed to a conspiracy against the military. The government and Mr. Haqqani have said they had nothing to do with the memo, which came to light in October.
"The government had prepared a draft that stated that the Ministry of Defense does not agree with General Kayani and Genera Pasha's opinions about the veracity of the memo," said the military official, who was present during the discussions. "General Lodhi refused to sign the document, saying those were not his words."
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani fired his defense secretary, a retired general and confidant of Pakistan's army chief, on Wednesday as the civilian government drew closer to a head-on collision with the country's powerful military leadership.
Mr. Gilani accused the secretary of defense, Naeem Khalid Lodhi, a former corps commander, of "gross misconduct and illegal action" and of "creating misunderstanding between the state institutions." He replaced the former general with a civilian aide, Nargis Sethi, Reuters reported.
Military officials warned on Wednesday evening that the army would likely refuse to work with the newly appointed defense secretary, signaling the possibility of a serious rupture between the army and the civilian government. "The army will not react violently, but it will not cooperate with the new secretary defense," said a military officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Tensions had intensified between the government of President Asif Ali Zardari and the army leadership following the publication of a controversial memo, purportedly drafted by the government shortly after an American raid last year killed Osama bin Laden, that solicited help in stopping a possible coup by the humiliated Pakistani military.
Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the army chief, called an emergency meeting of his top commanders on Thursday.
The defense secretary is ordinarily appointed with the consent of the army chief and acts as a bridge between the civilian government and military. The role is more powerful than that of defense minister, a position that is filled by a politician from the ruling party.
The firing came as the military warned the prime minister that his recent statements against General Kayani would have "serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country." Mr. Gilani had accused Mr. Kayani and Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the head of Pakistan's intelligence service, of acting as "state within a state" and reminded them they were accountable to the Parliament. Those statements were seen as suggesting that they could be removed from power.
The defense secretary's signature is needed for the appointment — or termination — of the members of the military leadership. By installing a secretary defense of its own choice, the civilian government appeared to be seeking greater leverage in dealing with the military.
Speculation about the government's intentions to dismiss the two commanders were fueled by news reports in the stridently anti-American press in Pakistan, where many people view the United States as an arrogant adversary instead of an ally. That view has increased in the months since the Bin Laden raid last May and the deaths of 26 Pakistani soldiers in an American airstrike near the border with Afghanistan late last year.
Pakistani analysts said the firing of Mr. Lodhi could be a potentially ominous sign that the festering conflict between the army and the civilian government had reached a critical stage.
"It is a desperate measure," said Ikram Sehgal, a defense analyst and former army officer. "They want the army to react and to make a coup."
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a military and political analyst, said the firing would only exacerbate the situation for the civilian government. "If the prime minister now tries to fire the army chief, it will have very dangerous consequences."
General Lodhi, who was only recently appointed defense secretary, became embroiled in a controversy last month after he submitted a statement in the Supreme Court on behalf of the Defense Ministry stating that the civilian government had no operational control over Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan's powerful spy agency. Mr. Gilani accused Mr. Lodhi of overstepping and objected to his blunt statement, a public acknowledgment that, while the intelligence services are technically under the control of the prime minister, they are widely perceived to act independently of the civilian government.
A military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the relationship between the two men broke down after the prime minister's staff sought to pressure General Lodhi into contradicting statements by the army and spy chiefs about the controversial memo. The military commanders had told Supreme Court last month that the memo, written by a former ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, was an authentic and pointed to a conspiracy against the military. The government and Mr. Haqqani have said they had nothing to do with the memo, which came to light in October.
"The government had prepared a draft that stated that the Ministry of Defense does not agree with General Kayani and Genera Pasha's opinions about the veracity of the memo," said the military official, who was present during the discussions. "General Lodhi refused to sign the document, saying those were not his words."
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Three things can happen form here on...
1) An Army coup against PPP govt.
2) Army will consider this as a face saving measure for PPP or PM Gilani as a way out of Memogate controversy
3) Supreme court might disqualify the PPP govt. precipitating a constitutional crisis and most probably early general elections where Imran Khan will be propped up by Army/ISI as the strong PM candidate using the media by issuing threats to journalists.
1) An Army coup against PPP govt.
2) Army will consider this as a face saving measure for PPP or PM Gilani as a way out of Memogate controversy
3) Supreme court might disqualify the PPP govt. precipitating a constitutional crisis and most probably early general elections where Imran Khan will be propped up by Army/ISI as the strong PM candidate using the media by issuing threats to journalists.
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Ek Zardari sab par bhari
ek zardari aur uski Naari
Dono dekho buri Bimari
Roti chahiye sari ki sari
Baantane ki nahin taiayari
Koi bhi nahin hai zimeddari
Daulat dekho khoob hai maari
Jhagare kai ab Taiyari
Sindhiyon ki hissedari
ek zardari aur uski Naari
Dono dekho buri Bimari
Roti chahiye sari ki sari
Baantane ki nahin taiayari
Koi bhi nahin hai zimeddari
Daulat dekho khoob hai maari
Jhagare kai ab Taiyari
Sindhiyon ki hissedari
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