Army Coup in Pakistan just around the corner ?

[Ray]

The Pak SC is appearing like a puppet of the Army and ISI.

The Judiciary has no jurisdiction to disqualify any govt on policy matters.

Policy matters are the prerogative of the Executive.

If there is any legal or constitutional flaw that can be addressed by the SC.

 

[Mikkis]

The Pak SC is appearing like a puppet of the Army and ISI.

The Judiciary has no jurisdiction to disqualify any govt on policy matters.

Policy matters are the prerogative of the Executive.

If there is any legal or constitutional flaw that can be addressed by the SC.

Judiciary is not trying to disqualify the government,you guys really dont know, just making fun of everything, sorry this forum does not deserve to be the international forum.
NRO case is in supreme court and it should not become the part of law and that is the case.

 

[Ray]

Judiciary is not trying to disqualify the government,you guys really dont know, just making fun of everything, sorry this forum does not deserve to be the international forum.
NRO case is in supreme court and it should not become the part of law and that is the case.

I am afraid you have not made anything clear with your post.

Could you amplify so that we know what is going on?

 

[Mikkis]

I am afraid you have not made anything clear with your post.

Could you amplify so that we know what is going on?

The NRO case is in court since 2009 and the case was based on reconciliation ordinance which allows all corrupt ones, killers, criminals to be pardoned. PPP governments 70% of people involved in corruption in the past and they allowed to be pardoned by this law. So the supreme court does not want to made NRO a legal status.
what about the other poor criminals that facing jail? Thats not justice. Human rights, opposition, lawyers and other are against the NRO.
NRO is national reconciliation ordinance but unfortunately that is not national but only limited to PPP thanks to Mushy, US and UAE.
there is no truth involve in NRO.
Can in India you will or your supreme court allow someone who did corruption and freed just becuase of some ordinance?

 

[Ray]

Can in India you will or your supreme court allow someone who did corruption and freed just becuase of some ordinance?

If a Parliament enacts such a fool law, then the Supreme Court can do nothing unless it is challenged in court.

Fortunately, our politicians and Parliamentarians are not such fools as to pass such stupid laws!

 

[Mikkis]

If a Parliament enacts such a fool law, then the Supreme Court can do nothing unless it is challenged in court.

Fortunately, our politicians and Parliamentarians are not such fools as to pass such stupid laws!

But our ppp politicians had the courage to pass the law in 2009 but failed due to coalition government. these corrupt ones want to pass it and they did try it.

The petition has been filed in supreme court against it and court take up the task.
They allow 3 years to this government to not validate this law and now court asking to the government to start the case in swiss court.
one thing i tell you Asif Zardari was convicted in one of the case in swiss court and a convicted one is still a president.....

 

[Iamanidiot]

Judiciary is not trying to disqualify the government,you guys really dont know, just making fun of everything, sorry this forum does not deserve to be the international forum.
NRO case is in supreme court and it should not become the part of law and that is the case.

What is there to learn from pakidom

If the NRO ordinance is removed majority of the current bureacrats and politicians will not be eligible to run the government

 

[Ray]

A lots of Generals and even Judges would be in the bag, apart from politicians if the NRO is withdrawn and an honest check is done for ill gotten gains!

 

[thakur_ritesh]

That there will be a coup, is unlikely. DD has aptly reconstructed the whole scenario, and why the drama is being enacted.

To provide context to all this...

Imran Khan is being projected as a PM candidate by Pak Army backing.
Memo-gate controversy created by PakArmy/ISI to beat the PPP govt.
Zaradari goes to UAE citing health reasons to see what comes of memo gate controversy.
PPP govt. take tough stand against PA/ISI in Memogate controversy.
General Pervez Kiyani went to China on a 6-day trip perhaps to indicate the impending elections
Pervez Musharraf prep ones his arrival to Jan 27
Pak Supreme Court calls Pak PM a liar and threatens to disqualify him
Urgent PPP core committee meeting assembled to discuss this issue


All this indicates that General Elections are impending in Pakistan with Imran Khan projected as a PM material with Army backing.

Pakistan's judiciary slept over this whole episode till the time IK effectively appeared on the scene, and seemed to be in a position to make the most of the opportunity coming his way.

Its elections coming soon, IK will be the next PM, sitting alongside the MQM's, APML's. At best, term it a soft coup because what is to happen is already scripted, with direct involvement of pa, though covertly.

The interesting thing is, PPP doesn't want to go down without a fight, and well, if one looks at it, that is the only way they can make sure they win enough seats in the next elections, wont be surprised if one gets to see a repeat of 07-08 when people were on a rampage post Benazir's assassination in Sindh, people on the streets were shouting Shindhudesh, and zardari then was forced to give the slogan, "Pakistan khappay".

 

[Daredevil]

PA will do a coup only when conditions (economy wise) are good in Pakistan. Right now, it will be suicidal for PA to do a coup and come out as incompetent if Pakistan fails economically. They are happy doing the back driving.

 

[RPK]

PM's allegations may have "serious ramifications": ISPR

PM's allegations may have "serious ramifications": ISPR | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) on Wednesday issued a statement saying the prime minister's recent interview to a Chinese daily may have "very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country.""There can be no allegation more serious than what the honourable Prime Minister has levelled against the COAS and DG ISI and has unfortunately charged the officers for violation of the Constitution of the Country," the statement posted on ISPR's website said.The ISPR's statement said that the prime minister's statement "did not take into account" certain facts of the situation.The statement said that the responses of the army chief and the DG ISI were forwarded to the ministry of defence and a letter was also dispatched to the attorney-general and the Supreme Court informing them that "replies have been submitted to the ministry of defence."The statement moreover stated that: "Any expectation that COAS will not state the facts [of the memo case] is neither constitutional nor legal. Allegiance to state and the constitution is and will always remain prime consideration for the respondent, who in this case has followed the book."Following the day's developments, army chief General Ashfaque Pervez Kayani also called an emergency Corps Commanders' meeting on Wednesday.Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani sacked Secretary Defence Khalid Naeem Lodhi and handed over the additional charge to Nargis Sethi, Secretary Cabinet Division.​

 

[RPK]

PM sacks Secretary Defence; COAS calls emergency meeting

PM sacks Secretary Defence; COAS calls emergency meeting | Pakistan | DAWN.COM


ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Wednesday sacked Secretary Defence Khalid Naeem Lodhi, DawnNews reported. In a related development, the army chief summoned an emergency meeting of the corps commanders.The prime minister revoked Lodhi's contract and handed over the additional charge of secretary defence to Nargis Sethi.Prime Minister Gilani's office said in a statement that Lodhi was fired for "gross misconduct and illegal action which created misunderstanding" between state institutions.Furthermore, DawnNews quoted sources as saying that Brigadier Sarfaraz Ali was appointed commander of the military's 111 brigade.​

 

[Blackwater]

According to GEO NEWS: zardari has decided to sack army and ISI chief using his constitutional power..

Kayani has called emergency meeting of core commander in GHQ

More news awaiting.

 

[noob101]

another coup?

 

[Singh]

Pak military warns of serious consequences to PM's statement against ISI

[h=1]Pak military warns of serious consequences to PM's statement against ISI[/h]
Islamabad: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has dismissed Defense Secretary Lt General (retd) Khalid Naeem Lodhi, seen to be close to the Army. The move comes amid growing tension between the army and government.


There are also reports that there could be more swift changes.


Pakistan's military today warned of 'grievous consequences' after the prime minister was reported to have accused the army chief and the head of the ISI of violating the constitution.


The military statement on Wednesday is the latest sign of a destabilizing clash between the army and the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, which many commentators believe could end in the dismissal of the current administration.


Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani was quoted as telling a Chinese newspaper that army chief Gen. Pervez Ashfaq Kayani had violated the constitution by submitting statements to the Supreme Court about a scandal involving a memo sent to Washington that is rocking the country.


The army statement said this had "very serious ramifications with potentially grievous consequences for the country."


It did not elaborate.


Lt Gen Lodhi has been replaced by Pakistan's Cabinet Secretary Nargis Sethi, who will assume additional charge of Defense Secretary. Nargis Sethi is seen as close to Prime Minister Gilani.


Read more at: Pak military warns of serious consequences to PM's statement against ISI
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/isi-warns-of-serious-consequences-to-pakistan-pm-s-statement-165938&cp

 

[maomao]

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Headlines:PM sacks Secretary Defence; COAS calls emergency meeting




PM's allegations may have "serious ramifications": ISPR





PM's allegations may have "serious ramifications": ISPR | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

 

[Singh]

Pakistan's Slow-Motion Coup

[h=1]Pakistan's Slow-Motion Coup[/h]
Pakistan's civilian government, led by the Pakistan People's Party, has long been an irritant to the country's generals. President Asif Ali Zardari runs a corrupt and inept administration and has been far too willing to cozy up to Washington. Husain Haqqani, until November 2011, was Pakistan's controversial envoy to the United States. He has been a thorn in the side of General Headquarters since publishing his book Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military in 2005 while at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. However, the Pakistani Army swallowed its contempt for the government and such representatives as Haqqani because the generals had very little choice in the matter -- at least, that is, until now.


One reason is that, after nearly a decade of living under Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistanis are wary of military rule. The Army, too, has suffered a series of beatings to its reputation after nearly a decade of unpopular military cooperation with the United States and even more unpopular operations on Pakistan's soil. The Army knows that another military government would be a tough sell.


Another reason is that, while the Army made much of the sanguinary NATO strike that killed 24 soldiersin November, both it and the ISI -- Pakistan's most notorious intelligence agency -- are still smoldering over the humiliating facts that Osama Bin Laden enjoyed sanctuary in a cantonment town a short distance from the premier Pakistan Military Academy and that the United States could conduct a unilateral raid to kill and extract him before the Army even had a clue. Thus, the Army has been forced to work behind the scenes and through other institutions, such as the judiciary, to keep this government on his heels.


Third, no matter how detestable Zardari, Inc. may be to the men in khaki, they have had no real alternative until now. The primary rival to Zardari and his PPP is former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his political fiefdom, the Pakistan Muslim League. The Army is scarcely more able to stomach a Sharif return to power after he sacked one Army chief (Gen. Jehangir Karamat) and tried to sack another (Musharraf). Karamat, a true democrat, retired without resistance; however, when Sharif tried to oust Musharraf, the Army rolled in and toppled his government.


But the Army's luck is changing along with that of Imran Khan, whose political fortunes have shifted in recent months. For years, the lothario cricket star turned politician could barely win his own seat. However, with what Pakistanis suspect is support from the military and ISI, Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party has successfully wooed numerous turncoat politicians and their swollen vote banks. Khan has asked politicians who are now joining PTI to vacate their current elected seats in the parliament both as a means of ensuring that they do not reverse course but also as a ploy to bring about fresh electionsearlier than 2013, when general polls are to be held. So far, PTI does not have the numbers needed to bring down the government, but politics in Pakistan is about coalitions and vote banks. This is a long shot, but not impossible with ever more self-interested politicians from other parties flocking his way.


Khan holds views that align well with those of the Army. He has roused the sentiments of Pakistan's masses by calling for a restructuring -- if not outright cessation -- of military cooperation with Washington. He supports the Afghan Taliban, believes that Pakistan's armed forces should not be operating against Pakistani militants, and espouses a strong -- if absurdly pandering and unrealistic -- position on corruption. His views on sharia and blasphemy are chameleon-like. He is anything to anyone.


Not only does the Army have a palatable political alternative to either the PPP or PML-N -- it now has a mechanism to bring about the downfall of this government: Pakistan's interventionist Supreme Court. The current chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, has long loathed Zardari because the latter opposed his reinstatement following his dismissal by then President Musharraf. The Supreme Court also rubbished a constitutional amendment -- the "National Reconciliation Ordinance" (NRO) -- that dropped various criminal charges against Zardari and his wife, Benazir Bhutto, along with other PPP members.

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This legislation, which was brokered along with Musharraf and the U.S. government, paved the way for Bhutto's return inthe fall of 2007. Washington understood the NRO to be the only way to salvage Musharraf's battered legitimacy by allowing him to remain as president while also paving the way for Bhutto to become prime minister following elections scheduled for late 2007. Her assassination changed everyone's fortunes.
In 2009, the Supreme Court ruled that the NRO was unconstitutional, with obvious implications for the various PPP officials who benefited from it, including Zardari. The Supreme Court has demanded to know why the government has failed to implement its 2009 vacation of the NRO by reinstating all criminal cases. The Supreme Court has also informed Zardari that he does not enjoy automatic immunity from prosecution for his alleged crimes.


The Army also now has a newer hook to hang proceedings against this government: the "Memogate"scandal. In the aftermath of the bin Laden raid, a mysterious memo was delivered to Adm. Mike Mullen,then chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, . The memo asked for U.S. assistance to stave off a coup and in return offered to reverse Pakistan's decades-long policy of jihad under an expanding nuclear umbrella. Mullen admits he received the document, but quickly concluded that it was not credible. The memo riles Pakistan's military and intelligence officials because it sought to put them in their proper place: under civilian control. This was the last straw for Pakistan's security complex, which for years has objected to this government's efforts to enlist U.S. assistance in curbing its power and influence.


At the vortex of Memogate is Haqqani, now back in Pakistan and subject to a travel ban, and Mansoor Ijaz, a wealthy Pakistani-American. For outside observers, the proceedings are bizarre. On Nov. 23, former Prime Minister Sharif filed a petition to the Supreme Court demanding a probe into the scandal under Article 184(3) of Pakistan's Constitution. With no charges filed and without any reference from a lower court, Pakistan's highest court of appeal has ordered a judicial commission to determine the authenticity and providence of the memo within four weeks. (This is possible because this provision of Pakistan's Constitution permits the court to directly hear a matter that is of public importance relating to the enforcement of fundamental rights.)


Whether or not Haqqani drafted or dictated the memo in question is difficult to discern, as there is no direct evidence linking him to it other than Ijaz's assertions and a series of cryptic BlackBerry messages. Ijaz claims Haqqani dictated the memo to him over the phone, and thus far Ijaz has not claimed to have recordings of those conversations. Few analysts are foolhardy enough to vigorously defend either man, as both have long-established records of duplicity and double-dealing.


The stakes are high for Haqqani. He believes that his life is in danger because he has been widely depicted in Pakistan's jingoistic press as having sold out Pakistan's sovereignty to the Americans. That he has been an extremely effective ambassador and ably buffeted Pakistan from various U.S. fits of outrage is immaterial: Haqqani has been presumed to be guilty, has not been afforded the opportunity to present his version of events to counter those of Ijaz, has been denied freedom of movement without any charges being filed against him, and lives as a virtual prisoner within the prime minister's house.


Leaving aside the particular fate of Haqqani, it's important to understand this bizarre fiasco as a new sort of coup. In the old days, Pakistani generals sent tanks to oust a government. Now they plant stories in the press and manipulate the legal system.


First, if, for the sake of argument, one assumes that Haqqani is the author of the memo and indeed requested U.S. assistance in maintaining and expanding civilian control over the government and national security policy, the request is hardly treasonous. After all, the political disposition articulated in the memo is exactly what is called for in Pakistan's Constitution -- civilian control of the military.


Second, Haqqani is hardly the first to request U.S. involvement in Pakistan's national security affairs. In 1950, Pakistan's first premier, Liaqat Ali Khan, told an American journalist that should the United States "guarantee our territorial integrity, I will not keep any Army at all." Instead, Khan's visit ushered in the deep military cooperation with Pakistan that has enabled the Army to strongly root itself as the dominant institution in the country. But no one even intimated that such statements were treasonous.

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Third, if Ijaz is to be believed, we must also consider his claim that Pakistan's spy chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, traveled to the Gulf to secure permission to sack Zardari. Surely, if these claims have any credence, such action is clearly an extraconstitutional step to undermine the government, if not high treason under Article 6 of Pakistan's battered 1973 Constitution.


Watchers of Pakistan's sordid history of military intrusion into civilian affairs understand the rich irony of this current saga. Not one of the generals who have overthrown varied governments has ever been charged with treason. Not one of the varied Supreme Court justices who violated their oaths to protect the Constitution by providing judicial sanction to Pakistan's varied military coups has ever been punished.


So let's call the devil by his name: Memogate should be understood as a sophisticated attempt by the Army and intelligence agency to use the court to bring down this government, not just a titillating imbroglio involving Husain Haqqani.


But is there anything Washington can do about it? While the current Pakistani government is certainly abysmal, what's also true is that the only way Pakistani democracy can solidify is through consecutive constitutional changes of power through elections. If the United States and its partners genuinely support Pakistan's fragile democracy as the only means to achieve a more stable Pakistan in the long run, then they should act now to preempt the coup that, ironically, the suspect memo was supposedly written to prevent in the first place.




Pakistan's Slow-Motion Coup - By C. Christine Fair | Foreign Policy

 

[mayfair]

Ab aayega mazaa.

 

[Oracle]

Popcorn time. Sit back & enjoy!

 

[Blackwater]

Common guys grab your popcorn and cold drink and watch comedy drama lollywood movie" sada sohna pakistan"