Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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Also the 120mm rifled gun should be replaced by a 120mm smoothbore gun
Not unless the user demands... which they won't. Plus Arjun is with 43rd & 75th armoured regiment, both of 12 Infantry division. In its infantry support role, it will need HESH very much.

Otherwise Arjun is much lagers than Leopard2. What you can do on that, won't work on this.
I didn't realise it was so much larger than comparable 4-man Leopard2A4 until the crew caught my eye. Both longer & wider, both hull & turret.



No wonder it's so heavy.
Arjun will reman 60-65ton, 58-59 someday later maybe.

But as long as they can improve the tech, more powerful engine, higher performance rounds (cannister/airburst/APFSDS/ATGM), better situation awareness & battlefield management etc. it will leave the T-XX behind.
 

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Not unless the user demands... which they won't. Plus Arjun is with 43rd & 75th armoured regiment, both of 12 Infantry division. In its infantry support role, it will need HESH very much.

Otherwise Arjun is much lagers than Leopard2. What you can do on that, won't work on this.

Arjun will reman 60-65ton, 58-59 someday later maybe.

But as long as they can improve the tech, more powerful engine, higher performance rounds (cannister/airburst/APFSDS/ATGM), better situation awareness & battlefield management etc. it will leave the T-XX behind.
Whatever be the gun, either smoothbore or rifled, it needs better APFSDS which can penetrate 650mm+ RHA at 2km.
 

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Guys just chill army will sigin the contract for 100-130 mk1a in this year, mostly before September, also armynot mooting for arjun is not an issue , becoz our current armour fleet dedicated for paki not chinki, and new IBG have adopted new doctrine which similar to what allied Axis forced employed in operation desert strom
 

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Arjun will reman 60-65ton, 58-59 someday later maybe.

But as long as they can improve the tech, more powerful engine, higher performance rounds (cannister/airburst/APFSDS/ATGM), better situation awareness & battlefield management etc. it will leave the T-XX behind.
The fact is: as long as India's infrastructure is not upgraded to support 65ton heavy vehicle, Arjun's capability is limited.
 

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The fact is: as long as India's infrastructure is not upgraded to support 65ton heavy vehicle, Arjun's capability is limited.
Same is applied for anything over 40ton, that too only between Sutlej & Chenab... Don't bring up the same bullshit again. Go smoke.
Is anyone sure that Arjun Mk2's redesigned turret is going to be like that of FMBT concept
NO!..

On the matter of a turret redesign to reduce weight & iron out the flawed asymmetric protection, I suggested that older 4-crew FMBT concept's manned turret could be used. Originally posted on Fanart & CGI thread.
Both the above changes were made by me (follow the links).
 

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Same is applied for anything over 40ton, that too only between Sutlej & Chenab... Don't bring up the same bullshit again. Go smoke.
So the whole infrastructure argument is bogus?
 

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So the whole infrastructure argument is bogus?
Not completely, but mostly!

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Kargil & Ladakh: Himalayan bridges won't hold any track beyond 50ton. Arjun & T-90 turret has to taken off to airlift (not T-72). Indian Army may have moved a T-90 Regiment by road from plains to Leh for 3 Division with mechanised infantry.
But after Kargil, ground is rocky where Arjun moves better at the tankable valleys/slopes & either can do short work of Chinese light tank.

Jammu & Punjab
: Full of ditches, bunds, minefields etc. these alluvial plains with big population & builtup areas are for a high-intensity slugfest. Neither T-90 nor Arjun can cross permanent 40-45ton bridges... so both will need to wait for bridgelayers or rafts.
(I think 49ton T-90MS can't use the existing ones, which is why they're buying 464 T-90S again.)
Though T-90 can ford deeper with preparation, Arjun Mark1A can negotiate minefields without engineer support. 52ton Centurion tanks were successfully used here.
Thar & Kutch: In the desert & saltpans south of Chenab either tanks are equally usable. No bridges, minimal population & builtup obstacles in large open land. Almost 70% of Indo-Pak int. border.

Mobility comparison in desert (play together).
 
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Just after Mark1A was cleared for induction, the sleeper cells have been activated... much more subtly now-a-days.
Army Reluctant to Buy India-Made Arjun Tank, Prefers Russian T-90S
Ajai Shukla / 10 February 2020
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Although “Make in India” has been the central motif of the on-going Defexpo 2020 in Lucknow, the army continues to block further purchases of the Arjun main battle tank (MBT), years after it has met all the army’s ever-increasing demands.

With the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) awaiting a long-cleared order for 118 Arjun MBTs, the ministry of defence (MoD) instead asked the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) last November to build 464 Russian-origin T-90S tanks at the Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi (HVF). With each T-90 costing about Rs 28 crore, the order is worth an estimated Rs 13,000 crore.
The army continues to block the indigenous Arjun tank even though, in a comparative trial the army conducted in the Rajasthan desert in March 2010, the Arjun proved itself equal to, or better than, the Russian T-90. In the trial, one squadron (14 tanks) of Arjuns was pitted against an equal number of T-90s. Top army generals who witnessed the trial admitted the Arjun performed superbly. Whether driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes; or accurately hitting targets with its powerful main gun; the Arjun established it was a tank to reckon with.
Yet, the army refused to order more Arjun tanks, beyond the 124 it had already inducted into service. Army insiders say there is an ingrained belief that Russian tanks are better than Indian ones. However, it was officially stated that the 62.5-tonne Arjun was too heavy for roads and bridges along the Pakistan border, and too wide to be transported by train.
Under pressure from the MoD to order another 118 Arjuns, the army then demanded several capability enhancements in the tank to make it more effective. At a meeting of the MoD-led Arjun Steering Committee in 2010, the army demanded an improved version of the tank, which would be called the Arjun Mark 2.

The Arjun Mark 2 was required to have 83 capability enhancements, including 15 major and 68 minor changes. Incredibly, given the army’s complaint that the tank was too heavy, the new enhancements would make the tank heavier by another 6 tonnes. These included the fitment on the tank of mine ploughs (1.6 tonnes extra), explosive reactive armour (1.5 tonnes), suspension improvements (one tonne) and another two tonnes in other areas. Having complained earlier that a 62.5 tonne Arjun tank was too heavy, the army signed off on a six-tonne weight increase to 68.5 tonnes.
In August 2011, the MoD announced it had “cleared the proposal for placement of indent for 124 MBT Arjun Mark 2”. It said each enhanced Arjun would cost Rs 37 crore and the first batch would roll out by 2015.

By June 2012, the DRDO offered the Arjun for trials with all the enhancements, except one: a cannon-launched guided missile (CLGM) the army wanted to fire through the Arjun’s main gun. The DRDO had sourced the Lahat CLGM from Israel, but that could strike targets between 2-5 kilometres (km) away. The army insisted on being able to strike targets as close as 1.2 km. The DRDO pointed out that the Arjun’s powerful main gun had already proved its ability to destroy targets at ranges out to 2 km. But the army insisted the CLGM should be usable against targets 1.2 km away. So the DRDO began work on an indigenous CLGM to meet those specifications.
By 2015, a series of trials had validated the improvements the army demanded. Even the CLGM’s laser designator was tested and validated with Lahat missiles. The DRDO asked for production order, promising to develop and supply the missile on priority. However, the army dilly-dallied for three years, until March 2018, when it was agreed that the next batch of Arjuns would be supplied without missile firing capability, which would follow up separately. This version would be designated Arjun Mark 1A.

After several months of delay, Arjun Mark 1A trials were held in December 2018 and the tank found fit in all respects. The army’s trial team recommended the Arjun Mark 1A be inducted into service. Incredibly, more than a year later, the army has not yet placed an indent for 118 Arjun Mark 1A. It has raised numerous issues – including ammunition availability, non-availability of spares and low indigenous content – to successfully avoid placing an order.

Were an indent to be placed today, it would still take HVF about 36 months to start delivering completed Arjun tanks. The DRDO is confident it would develop the CLGM by then, so those 118 tanks will actually be Arjun Mark 2, with full CLGM capability. Asked whether there was frustration over the lack of orders, DRDO chairman, Satheesh Reddy told Business Standard: “No, we cannot get frustrated. We are very positive. The user trials for the Mark 1A have been completed in December 2018 and we have even developed the ammunition now. I am sure that the Indian Army will soon be inducting the Arjun Mark 1A.”
In the meantime.
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Bad luck for ARJUN 1A or 2. ........ it is enough discouragement to the tank designer as well as the troops who are dependent upon its survivability.
 

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Guess this is the latest with sensor elevated. Wish they would do the same for the gunner sights and add full ERA coverage.
Probably just a model... Do you know exactly what it is? Sensor, or IR jammer, or ATGM's laser designator?

Oh, the final one is ready! If they indeed designed that FMBT version, changing the turret (like Tank Ex) should be possible.
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I thought that those orders for 464 new tanks were going to be MS once what happened then?
 

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Wading though all the bullshit I bring you some short clips of the Arjun.
...in return you'll have to look at more of my bullshittery.
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I thought that those orders for 464 new tanks were going to be MS once what happened then?
You could just read older posts.
IA backtracked to good old T-90S. Personally I think it's because at almost 50 tons, those are too heavy use their existing bridge-layers & rafts, quite like Arjun. It's still unknown if it's gonna get the gun, engine, ERA upgraded... may get APS.
 
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Wading though all the bullshit I bring you some short clips of the Arjun.
...in return you'll have to look at more of my bullshittery.
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You could just read older posts.
IA backtracked to good old T-90S. Personally I think it's because at almost 50 tons, those are too heavy use their existing bridge-layers & rafts, quite like Arjun. It's still unknown if it's gonna get the gun, engine, ERA upgraded... may get APS.
If u watch , focus is on T90....................
 

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